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==Note - The Evil Dead films are possession/demon films, not zombie related. I'll let AoD slide cause the bad guy does have zombie like footsoldiers rise up. == |
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:In light of the point I made in the section above, why have redlinked pages with [[WP:RS]] references been removed? The consensus reached on the page regarding this point was that whether a page is redlinked is not a criteria in and of itself (see archive 1), and the outcome of the most recent consensus (archive 3) concerned entries "''that are redlinked <u>'''and''' have only IMDB as a link (no refs)</u>''".[[User:Number36|Number36]] ([[User talk:Number36|talk]]) 06:16, 24 June 2014 (UTC) |
:In light of the point I made in the section above, why have redlinked pages with [[WP:RS]] references been removed? The consensus reached on the page regarding this point was that whether a page is redlinked is not a criteria in and of itself (see archive 1), and the outcome of the most recent consensus (archive 3) concerned entries "''that are redlinked <u>'''and''' have only IMDB as a link (no refs)</u>''".[[User:Number36|Number36]] ([[User talk:Number36|talk]]) 06:16, 24 June 2014 (UTC) |
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{{u|NinjaRobotPirate}}, any thoughts on this? I'm getting recent edits to restore these redlinks. [[User:AngusWOOF|<strong |
{{u|NinjaRobotPirate}}, any thoughts on this? I'm getting recent edits to restore these redlinks. [[User:AngusWOOF|<strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF</strong>]] ([[User talk:AngusWOOF#top|<span style="color:#663300;">bark</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/AngusWOOF|<span style="color:#006600;">sniff</span>]]) 16:57, 2 August 2017 (UTC) |
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: A couple of them look like they have the potential to be notable. I could look into creating articles on them, which might stem the edit warring from the IP editor. Unfortunately, I can't really do much about it in an administrative capacity, since I've heavily edited this article. If it continues, we could try requesting page protection at [[WP:RFPP]]. [[User:NinjaRobotPirate|NinjaRobotPirate]] ([[User talk:NinjaRobotPirate|talk]]) 21:51, 2 August 2017 (UTC) |
: A couple of them look like they have the potential to be notable. I could look into creating articles on them, which might stem the edit warring from the IP editor. Unfortunately, I can't really do much about it in an administrative capacity, since I've heavily edited this article. If it continues, we could try requesting page protection at [[WP:RFPP]]. [[User:NinjaRobotPirate|NinjaRobotPirate]] ([[User talk:NinjaRobotPirate|talk]]) 21:51, 2 August 2017 (UTC) |
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Found this template {{tlx|notable list}}. This might be useful for this article. -[[User:AngusWOOF|AngusWOOF]] ([[User talk:AngusWOOF|talk]]) 17:40, 6 August 2014 (UTC) |
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:: I'm just worried it might be too big. If there's a way to have it show when someone is editing the article instead of on the article itself, that would be best. -[[User:AngusWOOF|AngusWOOF]] ([[User talk:AngusWOOF|talk]]) 20:42, 6 August 2014 (UTC) |
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::: There is. It's called an [[WP:EDN|edit notice]], and I think that's what this was designed for. That big warning on [[WP:ANI|ANI]] that says you need to notify people is an edit notice, for example. I go back and forth on whether edit notices are useful. I doubt anyone bothers to read them, even when they're bold, all-caps, and stop-sign red. [[User:NinjaRobotPirate|NinjaRobotPirate]] ([[User talk:NinjaRobotPirate|talk]]) 22:24, 6 August 2014 (UTC) |
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== List is overinclusive == |
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This list includes titles that have nothing to do with the zombie trope. For instance, ''The Fog'', where the creatures are vengeful ghosts that appear off a glowing fog and use poltergeist-like powers and are after stolen gold. To characterize such a film as a zombie film is deeply wrong, and it just ends up confusing readers who were looking for info on the topic. Problem is, the list treats ''The Zombie Movie Encyclopedia'' by Peter Dendle as a reliable source, but that book is not even remotely academically trustworthy, it just talks about random horror films like ''The Fog'', mentioning their debts to Romero's films, which is not enough for them to be qualified as zombie films for the purpose of this list (the same rationale Dendle used would lead to call ''Assault on Precinct 13'' a zombie film as well.) I don't think that book should be considered a reliable source. Kumagoro-42 04:13, 27 January 2017 (UTC) |
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: Seeing as how you {{diff2|758962227|added}} ''Parents'' – a horror film that has no zombies – without a source, I really don't think you should be complaining about a sourced entry from an academic. [[User:NinjaRobotPirate|NinjaRobotPirate]] ([[User talk:NinjaRobotPirate|talk]]) 09:37, 27 January 2017 (UTC) |
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:: That is your answer to the issue I raised? According to this logic, since I made a mistake, that makes Dendle's book entirely trustworthy? Can you prove ''The Fog'' is unambiguously viewed as a zombie film by any source other than Dendle? Another question: shouldn't ''The Fog'' and several other films in this list be characterized as zombie films in their pages as well, either by calling them "zombie film" directly (''[[Zombi 2]]'') or by describing the depicted creatures as zombies (''[[The Return of the Living Dead]]'')? Kumagoro-42 00:53, 28 January 2017 (UTC) |
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::: Yes, we all make mistakes. However, my point is that you did the very thing you accuse Dendle of doing – identifying a random film as a zombie film. You probably don't consider your own credibility blown, but you want to throw away Dendle's work because you disagree with one of his entries? I own both of Dendle's books, and I can say rather conclusively that they do not discuss random films. Ignoring all that, yes, there are other sources that discuss ''The Fog'' as a zombie film. Glenn Kay's ''[[Zombie Movies: The Ultimate Guide]]'' also lists it, though it says the creators view it as a ghost story. Some films, like ''28 Days Later'', do not have undead creatures, and others, such as ''The Fog'', have undead creatures that more resemble [[revenant]]s. However, multiple reliable sources have identified them as zombie films, perhaps because they borrow so much of the zombie film formula. Getting caught up in purist definitions is not something that Wikipedia is for; we go by the sources, not our own opinions on what constitutes a "true" zombie film. As for the other bit, I don't care what other Wikipedia articles say. It's immaterial to this article. [[User:NinjaRobotPirate|NinjaRobotPirate]] ([[User talk:NinjaRobotPirate|talk]]) 09:07, 28 January 2017 (UTC) |
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== Splinter does not fit the definition of a zombie film == |
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This page is prefaced by a paragraph on what the page considers a "zombie film" to be. |
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Based on those guidelines, Splinter is not a zombie film. |
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A porcupine-like animal infects a gas station attendant via the animal's spikes, (splinters). |
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The gas station attendant, (who also develops these splinters), begs a girl to kill him. After following the girl out onto the petrol station forecourt, the attendant is shot dead by the girl's boyfriend. |
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The girl becomes infected by the garage attendant's splinters. Parts of the girl's body break off (fingers, hands, arms), and are able to operate as autonamous beings controlled by splinters. The girl then rips a police woman in two before merging with her into a freakish hybrid of the two women which ends up being destroyed by fire. |
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The plot on the Wikipedia page is more detailed, though makes no mention of zombies. Nor are zombies mentioned on Rotten Tomatoes info, IMDB, or the film's official website. |
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On the film's website, the trailer has a Vimeo link to the film's Director, Toby Wilkins, so I put my "theory" to him: |
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''"... reminded me of John Carpenter's 'The Thing', though there was elements of 'from Beyond' and 'Invasion of the Bodysnatchers'. I've got a question for you. I think the film runs along the lines of the films I mention above and it is the Splinters that control the hosts and the host are not the things that are "hunting thier prey" but in fact the Splinters. But there's people who say this is a zombie film. I look at zombie films and think of Romero type zombies, Evil Dead Posessed zombies, or 28 Days Later "rage" zombies etc. The beings in your film don't seem like zombies to me. So my question is, is this a zombie film, or would you say it was something else?"'' |
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Toby replied: |
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''"You are correct! The hosts of the Splinter entity are nothing more than a source of nutrients and a source of a skeletal structure. It is irrelevant to the Splinter intity if the host is alive or dead, although the victim will certainly wish they were."'' |
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I don't want to decry the original source. Peter Dendle's 'Zombie Movie Encylopedia' it is an excellent book, but just because the source is a published work, does not mean it is 100% accurate or reliable source. I'm sure, like me, he's watched hundreds of zombie films, read countless books, comics and graphic novels on the subject as well as reading and watching material on the directors, writers and actors involved in those films...I didn't publish a book on the subject though. No matter how much "research" someone does on the subject, there is no definitive definition of a zombie. |
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When you have the film Director's definition though, surely you have to go with that? |
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Also, I would like to apologise for editing the page without discussing it first, here in the talk. The whole editing process was rather overwhelming and I blundered in. So thank you to NinjaRobotPirate for pointing me in the right direction. |
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Daylights End 2016 is one not on the Zombie movie list <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/73.37.62.69|73.37.62.69]] ([[User talk:73.37.62.69#top|talk]]) 22:34, 30 March 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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[[User:Mickusher|Mickusher]] ([[User talk:Mickusher|talk]]) 11:26, 23 August 2017 (UTC)Mickusher |
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: Thank you, added. --[[User:ZombieZombi|ZombieZombi]] ([[User talk:ZombieZombi|talk]]) 19:25, 13 April 2020 (UTC) |
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==Source quality== |
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: I'm seeing reviews that consider it a zombie movie. [http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/04/15/splinter-blu-ray-review IGN] [http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/film-review-splinter-125063 Hollywood Reporter] [http://okgazette.com/2008/10/30/filmed-in-abandoned-okc-gas-station-splinter-spreads-to-local-screen/ OK Gazette]. Screenrant calls it a virus movie [http://screenrant.com/scary-deadly-viruses-movies/] [[User:AngusWOOF|<strong><font color="606060">AngusWOOF</font></strong>]] ([[User talk:AngusWOOF#top|<font color="663300">bark</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/AngusWOOF|<font color="006600">sniff</font>]]) 16:12, 23 August 2017 (UTC) |
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A lot of sources in this article are fine, but on going through it, a good chunk are using IMDb as a source, which we do not user per [[WP:RS/IMDb]]. These should be gone through and replaced if possible.[[User:Andrzejbanas|Andrzejbanas]] ([[User talk:Andrzejbanas|talk]]) 18:25, 19 April 2020 (UTC) |
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: I think I got them all. I removed a few unsourced entries that were too difficult to source. I also removed some redlinked films because we had an RFC a while ago that said redlinked films generally shouldn't be added to this list. It shouldn't be too difficult to create articles for the ones that remain. [[User:NinjaRobotPirate|NinjaRobotPirate]] ([[User talk:NinjaRobotPirate|talk]]) 00:00, 21 April 2020 (UTC) |
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::Awesome! Great job. [[User:Andrzejbanas|Andrzejbanas]] ([[User talk:Andrzejbanas|talk]]) 15:37, 21 April 2020 (UTC) |
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::: [[Anger of the Dead]] was easy, but I had trouble sourcing a premiere, which I think probably happened in Italy. I see a few reviews for ''Daylight's End'' and might be able to cobble together enough sources to prove notability for that, too. [[User:NinjaRobotPirate|NinjaRobotPirate]] ([[User talk:NinjaRobotPirate|talk]]) 21:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC) |
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Note - The Evil Dead films are possession/demon films, not zombie related. I'll let AoD slide cause the bad guy does have zombie like footsoldiers rise up.
[edit]List of zombie films that need to be further researched
[edit]Direct-to-video
[edit]- Zombie Babies || Eamon Hardiman || 2011 || || [1][2] || [1]
- Rise of the Damned - Michael Bafaro - 2011 film - "RISE OF THE DAMNED". British Board of Film Classification. January 29, 2011 (last updated). Retrieved November 18, 2013.
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(help) - IMDb - while the film got rated by the BBFC for direct-to-video, it needs information on a theater release, or any notability past some trailers; it has not been reviewed by the horror websites or media sources for actual zombies - Zombie Toxin || Thomas J. Moose || 1998 || || || [2] - review implies direct-to-video [3]
- Ghost Zombie (Yûrei zonbi, Yurei Zombie) || Kōji Shiraishi || 2007 || direct-to-video || [3] || [4]
Notability
[edit]The following movies require notability WP:NFILM beyond self-published websites, unreliable/anonymous blogs, Kickstarter, IMDB-like databases and lists, and distribution stores such as Amazon/eBay:
- King Zombie (Yau chat guen see um leun nei) || Cub Chin || 2008 || || || IMDb
- Long Live the Dead - 2012 film - director: Richard Poche - DVD anthology of five zombie short films - have only found Poche-related websites and Kickstarter
- The Last Days of Humanity - 2002 film - director: Peter Dubiel - IMDb
- The Necro Files 2 - 2003 film - director: Ron Carlo - IMDb
- Necro Wars - director Robert Conway - 2010 film - IMDb IMDb announced movie was in post-production, however it is unclear whether it was properly released, even IMDb has no release date, can't find reviews online [5]
- Vågn op! – en religiøs zombie parodi - dir: Peder Pedersen - 1992 film - Swedish film - IMDb
- Punk Rock Zombie Kung Fu Catfight - dir: Peter Bernard 2004 film - IMDb
- Raw Zombie 11 - dir: Jared Saverino - 1999 film - IMDb
- Space Zombies: 13 Months of Brain-Spinning Mayhem! - Regan Macaulay & Christopher Cordell - 2004 film - limited release to local venues , based on a book of the same name [6] - started as a trilogy of short-films spoofing zombie movies [7], need better source besides self-generated - IMDb
- Teenage Zombie House Massacre - Jared Bulls - 2000 film - IMDb
- Untot – Undead Unleashed (Untot — Kämpfer in der Leichenwelt, Untot) || Martin Erling || 1999 || || [4] || IMDb
- Urban Scumbags vs. Countryside Zombies Reanimated - Maxim Matthew - 2009 - remake of 1992 film - IMDb - sources mainly from its own website, need others
- Walk Like a Zombie (Jombi-cheoreom georeobwa) || Yoon Young-ho, Kim Jeong-gu, Kim Seol-woo, Yoo Ha || 2002 || || || IMDb
- Zombie Hunters - dir: Peter Maris - 2007 film - no distribution company according to quietearth [8] main refs are self generated IMDb
- Zombie in a Haunted House (Gu wu jiang shi) || Evan Yang || 1959 || || || IMDb
- Zombie Reanimation || Jochen Taubert & Thomas Kercmar || 2009 || || || IMDb
Status unknown
[edit]The following movies seem to have notability, however, their release status is unknown as the supporting articles show in-production or trailers. They can best be addressed with reliable sources that point to official releases and reviews. They may be moved to the in-progress/abandoned film list, in that case, please strike them from this list.
References
[edit]- ^ Hoyle, Blair (2012-10-05). "Zombie Babies (2011) Review". Cinema Slasher.
- ^ http://anythinghorror.com/2012/08/16/zombie-babies-2011/
- ^ http://www.neowing.co.jp/track_for_cdj.html?KEY=ADE-801
- ^ "Untot – Undead Unleashed". untot.funactpictures.de. Retrieved 2012-11-05.
Discussion
[edit]I've grouped the films that still need help here. Please discuss or take action. Thanks. -AngusWOOF (talk) 21:02, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Should direct-to-video films be included in the main list as long as they have notability? -AngusWOOF (talk) 21:05, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- When the RfC closes, we'll have consensus on whether non-notable films (those without an article) should be included. Other selection criteria have no basis in guidelines or policy, and I think a merge is in order. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 08:29, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- What consensus? Where's the discussion at all? Pessimist2006 (talk) 03:54, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
- The discussion has been archived, however it was not merely for films which are redlinked, a previous discussion had already established a policy based consensus that having a Wikipedia article does not denote lack of notability in of itself, nor should be a criteria. The most recent consensus was that entries "that are redlinked and have only IMDB as a link (no refs)" should be removed. The second part was part of the previous discussion as well, but the entries were left on the page for the time being so references could be found iirc. Quite some time has passed since then, so removing those only supported by IMDB (or similar), to the talk page seems reasonable.Number36 (talk) 04:55, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
- What consensus? Where's the discussion at all? Pessimist2006 (talk) 03:54, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Redlinked zombie films
[edit]Here are the zombie films that have no article:
And here are the references:
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Feel free to edit this post as you see fit. Remove the entry from this list when you add a film back to the main list. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 17:20, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- In light of the point I made in the section above, why have redlinked pages with WP:RS references been removed? The consensus reached on the page regarding this point was that whether a page is redlinked is not a criteria in and of itself (see archive 1), and the outcome of the most recent consensus (archive 3) concerned entries "that are redlinked and have only IMDB as a link (no refs)".Number36 (talk) 06:16, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
NinjaRobotPirate, any thoughts on this? I'm getting recent edits to restore these redlinks. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:57, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
- A couple of them look like they have the potential to be notable. I could look into creating articles on them, which might stem the edit warring from the IP editor. Unfortunately, I can't really do much about it in an administrative capacity, since I've heavily edited this article. If it continues, we could try requesting page protection at WP:RFPP. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:51, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
Daylights End 2016
[edit]Daylights End 2016 is one not on the Zombie movie list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.37.62.69 (talk) 22:34, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you, added. --ZombieZombi (talk) 19:25, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Source quality
[edit]A lot of sources in this article are fine, but on going through it, a good chunk are using IMDb as a source, which we do not user per WP:RS/IMDb. These should be gone through and replaced if possible.Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:25, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
- I'll go through it and try to fix it later. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:21, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- I think I got them all. I removed a few unsourced entries that were too difficult to source. I also removed some redlinked films because we had an RFC a while ago that said redlinked films generally shouldn't be added to this list. It shouldn't be too difficult to create articles for the ones that remain. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 00:00, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Awesome! Great job. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:37, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Anger of the Dead was easy, but I had trouble sourcing a premiere, which I think probably happened in Italy. I see a few reviews for Daylight's End and might be able to cobble together enough sources to prove notability for that, too. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Awesome! Great job. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:37, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
"List of zombie other films" listed at Redirects for discussion
[edit]The redirect List of zombie other films has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 3 § List of zombie other films until a consensus is reached. Regards, SONIC678 00:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)