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===Description===
===Description===
A group of editors dedicated to maintaining and improving the quality of articles related to the life and works of musician Frank Zappa [[User:Friginator|Friginator]] ([[User talk:Friginator|talk]]) 22:37, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
A group of editors dedicated to maintaining and improving the quality of articles related to the life and works of musician Frank Zappa [[User:Friginator|Friginator]] ([[User talk:Friginator|talk]]) 22:37, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
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#[[User:Friginator|Friginator]] ([[User talk:Friginator|talk]]) 22:37, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
#[[User:Friginator|Friginator]] ([[User talk:Friginator|talk]]) 22:37, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
#[[User:Mrmoustache14|Mrmoustache14]] ([[User talk:Mrmoustache14|talk]]) 22:55, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
#[[User:Mrmoustache14|Mrmoustache14]] ([[User talk:Mrmoustache14|talk]]) 22:55, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
#[[User:Sow-crates|Sow-crates]] ([[User talk:Sow-crates|talk]]) 00:24, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
#[[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 06:44, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
#[[User:DVdm|DVdm]] ([[User talk:DVdm|talk]]) 08:34, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
#[[User:Lexein|Lexein]] ([[User talk:Lexein|talk]]) 09:19, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
#[[User:Mystery Roach|Mystery Roach]] ([[User talk:Mystery Roach|talk]]) 09:20, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
#[[User:PurpleChez|PurpleChez]] ([[User talk:PurpleChez|talk]]) 11:24, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
#[[User:Quebec99|Quebec99]] ([[User talk:Quebec99|talk]]) 13:26, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
#[[User:Odysseus1479|Odysseus1479]] ([[User talk:Odysseus1479|talk]]) 02:39, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
#[[User:Tbonetime|Tbonetime]] ([[User talk:Tbonetime|talk]]) 21:41, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
#[[User:vinciryan|vinciryan]] ([[User talk:Vinciryan|talk]]) 20:29, 09 October 2012 (UTC)
#[[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 20:35, 24 November 2012 (UTC)


===Discussion===
===Discussion===

When is this project going to start? Do we need more editors? --[[User:Mrmoustache14|Mrmoustache14]] ([[User talk:Mrmoustache14|talk]]) 00:51, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

The WikiProject Council will decide whether or not the project is warranted first. That will take time. [[User:Friginator|Friginator]] ([[User talk:Friginator|talk]]) 01:04, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Right now, judging from how long it's been on the council page, I'd say it is warranted. No one from the WikiProject council has declared it "no importance" or anything like that. But I'd still prefer to leave the proposal here for a while just to make sure. <s>Still, if anyone wants to create the page [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Frank Zappa]], I'd be fine with it. There's no rule against it.</s> [[User:Friginator|Friginator]] ([[User talk:Friginator|talk]]) 18:32, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Um I have no idea how to do that... it looks so different from making other pages... --[[User:Mrmoustache14|Mrmoustache14]] ([[User talk:Mrmoustache14|talk]]) 19:02, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

:No problem. I do. I'm working on a potential project page right now. I'd still prefer for there to be at least a dozen editors before starting something like this, though. [[User:Friginator|Friginator]] ([[User talk:Friginator|talk]]) 00:54, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Hey [[User:Stuartyeates|Stuartyeates]] keeps proposing Zappa articles with notability that I made be deleted. He recently proposed "I'm the Slime" be deleted despite it's popularity even among non Zappa fans just because it didn't chart or win awards. I think the editors of this project should keep aware of him incase he decides to propose the deletion of another. --[[User:Mrmoustache14|Mrmoustache14]] ([[User talk:Mrmoustache14|talk]]) 10:33, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
:[[I'm the Slime]] is as secure against deletion as its ''[[WP:N|substantial discussion in independent reliable sources over time]]'' - nothing to do with popularity, and little to do with awards. I'm saying it's pretty secure. --[[User:Lexein|Lexein]] ([[User talk:Lexein|talk]]) 12:55, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
::I have to say, I don't think ''Advance Romance'' was an especially notable song either. But when something is a single, I'd have to agree.[[User:Friginator|Friginator]] ([[User talk:Friginator|talk]]) 16:36, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm okay if you really think Advance Romance shouldn't be an article...but I got a barnstar for it... --[[User:Mrmoustache14|Mrmoustache14]] ([[User talk:Mrmoustache14|talk]]) 18:41, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


*Getting back to discussion of the project, I don't see any reason at this point not to go forward with it. I thought about maybe making it a "task force" within an existing project, but there is not one project that would cover all FZ related articles. So, let's try to get all our ducks in a row. I believe all we really need to get started is
:*A main project page
:*A template to be placed on all Zappa-related articles talk pages
:*Organizational categories
As there are so many existing projects we could probably just use their pages as a template, at least to get things started. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 20:41, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like all good ideas to me. Though for a head start Friginator started to make the project page on his Sandbox, but I don't think he's logged on since mid-October. --[[User:Mrmoustache14|Mrmoustache14]] ([[User talk:Mrmoustache14|talk]]) 02:20, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

:I have, actually. I'm very sorry for the lack of communication there. My personal life outside of Wikipedia has become very busy since this was proposed, and I honestly don't think with my current situation I would be able to maintain a project page on a regular basis. I still think it's a very good idea, as Wikipedia's coverage of Frank Zappa and his work needs a lot of improvement in both how much of his work is reflected here and the quality of the articles themselves. I'd love to go forward with this project myself, but the way things currently are, a project page would probably have to be created and maintained by someone other than myself. [[User:Friginator|Friginator]] ([[User talk:Friginator|talk]]) 17:50, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
::It looks like you have a pretty good start for one in your sandbox. Would you mind it being moved to be the main project page? [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 18:16, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
::::Just threw together a pretty good project tag in my own sandbox. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 18:32, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

===Somewhat off-topic question===
Do articles such as [[Gail Zappa]], [[Moon Zappa]], [[Ahmet Zappa]], and [[Diva Zappa]] fall under the scope of the project? (I know Dweezil obviously falls under the project since his life is dedicated to being a tribute act to his father.) If it's up to a consensus i think they should. Same goes for [[Ike Willis]], [[Steve Vai]] and other Zappa related musicians right? Although Vai does have a solo career he had origins as one of Zappa's musicians plus 2/3 of his grammies were Zappa covers. I was just wondering if you guys agree or if you think the project should be specifically for Zappa himself, his albums, his songs, and his media coverage only. [[User:Mrmoustache14|Mrmoustache14]] ([[User talk:Mrmoustache14|talk]]) 02:35, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

:Perhaps some specific category for musicians closely assosciated with Zappa is in order. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 03:25, 5 December 2012 (UTC)


==Project initiated==
I don't see any real impediment to just starting the project, so I have gone ahead and moved Friginator's draft pages to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Frank Zappa]]. Seems like further discussion should go on the project talk page, hope to see you all there. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 22:11, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

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Latest revision as of 09:12, 3 November 2024

The following discussion is an archived proposal of the WikiProject below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the project's talk page (if created) or the WikiProject Council). No further edits should be made to this page.

The resulting WikiProject was created at Wikipedia:WikiProject Frank Zappa

Armbrust The Homunculus 15:06, 17 January 2013 (UTC) [reply]

Description

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A group of editors dedicated to maintaining and improving the quality of articles related to the life and works of musician Frank Zappa Friginator (talk) 22:37, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

List of important pages and categories for this proposed group
List of WikiProjects currently on the talk pages of those articles
Please invite these and any other similar groups to join the discussion about this proposal. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory to find similar WikiProjects.
Why do you want to start a new group, instead of joining one of these existing groups?
The subjects of these groups are far too general to cover the entire (and in this case, quite extensive) work of one specific musician. There are well over one hundred articles that pertain to Frank Zappa, and not all of of them fit under the umbrella of any particular Wikiproject.

Support

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Please specify whether or not you would join the project.

  1. Friginator (talk) 22:37, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Mrmoustache14 (talk) 22:55, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Sow-crates (talk) 00:24, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  4. FunkMonk (talk) 06:44, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  5. DVdm (talk) 08:34, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Lexein (talk) 09:19, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Mystery Roach (talk) 09:20, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  8. PurpleChez (talk) 11:24, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Quebec99 (talk) 13:26, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Odysseus1479 (talk) 02:39, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Tbonetime (talk) 21:41, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  12. vinciryan (talk) 20:29, 09 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  13. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:35, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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When is this project going to start? Do we need more editors? --Mrmoustache14 (talk) 00:51, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The WikiProject Council will decide whether or not the project is warranted first. That will take time. Friginator (talk) 01:04, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Right now, judging from how long it's been on the council page, I'd say it is warranted. No one from the WikiProject council has declared it "no importance" or anything like that. But I'd still prefer to leave the proposal here for a while just to make sure. Still, if anyone wants to create the page Wikipedia:WikiProject Frank Zappa, I'd be fine with it. There's no rule against it. Friginator (talk) 18:32, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Um I have no idea how to do that... it looks so different from making other pages... --Mrmoustache14 (talk) 19:02, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. I do. I'm working on a potential project page right now. I'd still prefer for there to be at least a dozen editors before starting something like this, though. Friginator (talk) 00:54, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Stuartyeates keeps proposing Zappa articles with notability that I made be deleted. He recently proposed "I'm the Slime" be deleted despite it's popularity even among non Zappa fans just because it didn't chart or win awards. I think the editors of this project should keep aware of him incase he decides to propose the deletion of another. --Mrmoustache14 (talk) 10:33, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm the Slime is as secure against deletion as its substantial discussion in independent reliable sources over time - nothing to do with popularity, and little to do with awards. I'm saying it's pretty secure. --Lexein (talk) 12:55, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have to say, I don't think Advance Romance was an especially notable song either. But when something is a single, I'd have to agree.Friginator (talk) 16:36, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, I'm okay if you really think Advance Romance shouldn't be an article...but I got a barnstar for it... --Mrmoustache14 (talk) 18:41, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]


  • Getting back to discussion of the project, I don't see any reason at this point not to go forward with it. I thought about maybe making it a "task force" within an existing project, but there is not one project that would cover all FZ related articles. So, let's try to get all our ducks in a row. I believe all we really need to get started is
  • A main project page
  • A template to be placed on all Zappa-related articles talk pages
  • Organizational categories

As there are so many existing projects we could probably just use their pages as a template, at least to get things started. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:41, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like all good ideas to me. Though for a head start Friginator started to make the project page on his Sandbox, but I don't think he's logged on since mid-October. --Mrmoustache14 (talk) 02:20, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have, actually. I'm very sorry for the lack of communication there. My personal life outside of Wikipedia has become very busy since this was proposed, and I honestly don't think with my current situation I would be able to maintain a project page on a regular basis. I still think it's a very good idea, as Wikipedia's coverage of Frank Zappa and his work needs a lot of improvement in both how much of his work is reflected here and the quality of the articles themselves. I'd love to go forward with this project myself, but the way things currently are, a project page would probably have to be created and maintained by someone other than myself. Friginator (talk) 17:50, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like you have a pretty good start for one in your sandbox. Would you mind it being moved to be the main project page? Beeblebrox (talk) 18:16, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Just threw together a pretty good project tag in my own sandbox. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:32, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Somewhat off-topic question

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Do articles such as Gail Zappa, Moon Zappa, Ahmet Zappa, and Diva Zappa fall under the scope of the project? (I know Dweezil obviously falls under the project since his life is dedicated to being a tribute act to his father.) If it's up to a consensus i think they should. Same goes for Ike Willis, Steve Vai and other Zappa related musicians right? Although Vai does have a solo career he had origins as one of Zappa's musicians plus 2/3 of his grammies were Zappa covers. I was just wondering if you guys agree or if you think the project should be specifically for Zappa himself, his albums, his songs, and his media coverage only. Mrmoustache14 (talk) 02:35, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps some specific category for musicians closely assosciated with Zappa is in order. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:25, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Project initiated

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I don't see any real impediment to just starting the project, so I have gone ahead and moved Friginator's draft pages to Wikipedia:WikiProject Frank Zappa. Seems like further discussion should go on the project talk page, hope to see you all there. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:11, 9 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the project's talk page (if created) or at the WikiProject Council). No further edits should be made to this page.
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