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Is the regulation section really necessary/relevant? How many countries' regulations could we add? Should we also add Botswana, South Africa, Greece, Russia, Sweden and Japan? I hope you get the point. |
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===Tequila good for health?=== |
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As far as i know there are a lot of benefits for ingesting tequila. I've read it's benefical for the heart and other organs if its drunk in a moderate manner. --[[User:189.135.71.148|189.135.71.148]] 03:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC) |
As far as i know there are a lot of benefits for ingesting tequila. I've read it's benefical for the heart and other organs if its drunk in a moderate manner. --[[User:189.135.71.148|189.135.71.148]] 03:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC) |
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::According to BartenderOne "Tequila and Absinthe are the only alcoholic beverages" that are stimulants. - SKA <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/173.32.187.106|173.32.187.106]] ([[User talk:173.32.187.106|talk]]) 07:58, 10 December 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
::According to BartenderOne "Tequila and Absinthe are the only alcoholic beverages" that are stimulants. - SKA <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/173.32.187.106|173.32.187.106]] ([[User talk:173.32.187.106|talk]]) 07:58, 10 December 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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===Cuervo advertising=== |
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I removed "The first tequila was made by Jose María Guadalupe de Cuervo in 1795." from history because 1) it is not true (Tequila was first distilled by the early colonizers) and 2) this smells like an ad. Correct me if I'm wrong <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Teebol|Teebol]] ([[User talk:Teebol|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Teebol|contribs]]) 20:04, 16 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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===Two Uncited Facts=== |
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Hi, I've removed two facts from the production section of the page because I couldn't find strong citations for them. The first one |
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{{talkquote|This distinction has diminished recently since the agave shortage that arose in 1999-2000, when many of the larger, lowland producers began relying on agave from both areas to produce their tequila.}} |
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seems like it may be possible in some cases, but the clearest source I could find for it was just [http://www.blueagaveforum.com/forum/index.php?/topic/5333-lowlands-distillery-using-highlands-pinas/ this discussion] on a forum. |
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I couldn't find any sources for the second one |
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{{talkquote|Most highland agaves are raised on west-facing slopes, allowing them to receive more sunlight throughout the day and grow larger and juicier.}} |
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and I'm not sure if it makes sense. If anything, wouldn't the south-facing slope be the one that receives the most sunlight (as Mexico's still in the Northern hemisphere)? And a [[Rain shadow|rain shadow]] argument doesn't make sense because Jalisco is on the West coast, so the eastern side of any mountain range would probably have less cloud cover.<br /> |
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I could be wrong though, and if anyone finds a good source, we should definitely put them back in. [[User:Zar2gar1|Zar2gar1]] ([[User talk:Zar2gar1|talk]]) 22:07, 20 May 2012 (UTC) |
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He did do it all at once, and it was [[Special:Contributions/LMercier649|the contributer's only registered edit]], which may be a little strange. It's always possible the contributer lifted it, but the citations aren't bad ''and'' imply actually reading a third source. I would think if the other site's copyright were legit, they'd be aware of it and complain about it. [[User:Zar2gar1|Zar2gar1]] ([[User talk:Zar2gar1|talk]]) 04:08, 25 May 2012 (UTC) |
He did do it all at once, and it was [[Special:Contributions/LMercier649|the contributer's only registered edit]], which may be a little strange. It's always possible the contributer lifted it, but the citations aren't bad ''and'' imply actually reading a third source. I would think if the other site's copyright were legit, they'd be aware of it and complain about it. [[User:Zar2gar1|Zar2gar1]] ([[User talk:Zar2gar1|talk]]) 04:08, 25 May 2012 (UTC) |
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===Missing citation in Chemistry > Alcohol content, last paragraph=== |
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==Likely/definite vandalism== |
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Sorry if I'm doing this wrong; I'm new to Wikipedia. |
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===Reflist vandalism=== |
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Someone has edited one of the links to contain "General Lee hates sp***" |
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This may or may not be the case, but it doesn't belong here. Not sure how to edit this section, can somebody show me? [[User:Notapotato|Notapotato]] ([[User talk:Notapotato|talk]]) 07:21, 8 June 2010 (UTC) |
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:I removed this racist vandalism. What a world of idiots we live in... [[User:Teebol|Teebol]] ([[User talk:Teebol|talk]]) 21:10, 16 October 2010 (UTC) |
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The title says it: the last paragraph of the `Chemistry > Alcohol content` section has no citations at all. |
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===Garrett=== |
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In the glasses section it states "Garrett hates this." without any reference or mentioning Garrett anywhere else. Who is Garrett, and why is there no reference [[Special:Contributions/84.84.94.70|84.84.94.70]] ([[User talk:84.84.94.70|talk]]) 21:12, 24 January 2011 (UTC) |
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[[User:Sparrition|Sparrition]] ([[User talk:Sparrition|talk]]) 13:24, 11 March 2021 (UTC) |
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===Reason for oven picture?=== |
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The article shows an image of plants in an oven yet makes no mention of using the oven in production. [[Special:Contributions/192.25.142.225|192.25.142.225]] ([[User talk:192.25.142.225|talk]]) 00:00, 16 November 2010 (UTC) Joe S. |
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== Tequila and osteoporosis == |
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Just in case we get someone trying to add one of the recent sensationalist news stories about tequila curing bone cancer or some shit like that, [http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/truth-tequila-bones-201605259671 here's Harvard Medical School] explaining "no, that's not how that works." [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson|talk]]) 00:11, 16 May 2017 (UTC) |
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tequila is a drug from mexico. why is it legal? is the mexican military chasing agave growers? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.172.122.94|76.172.122.94]] ([[User talk:76.172.122.94|talk]]) 23:00, 5 July 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Changed "Aging: Chemistry": "The final result of these changes are increased concentrations of acids, esters and aldehydes and a decrease in fuel oil concentration" to read "fusel oil", per context of rest of paragraph and likelihood of typo. (Reference given [28] is a dead link.) |
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There seems to be an error in one of the dates. |
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This is only an educated reader guess, so check by someone with knowledge would be good. |
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'Some 80 years later, around 1600, Don Pedro Sánchez de Tagle, the Marquis of Altamira, began mass-producing tequila at the first factory in the territory of modern-day Jalisco.' |
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[[User:Lamerc|Lamerc]] ([[User talk:Lamerc|talk]]) 20:11, 29 August 2017 (UTC) |
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:Correct; it was meant to be fusel oil. – [[User:Phoney|Phoney]] ([[User talk:Phoney|talk]]) 09:18, 30 August 2017 (UTC) |
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However when crossed referenced to the Don pedro link it states he lived from 1661-1723. Does not add up. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/110.142.87.115|110.142.87.115]] ([[User talk:110.142.87.115|talk]]) 05:33, 17 April 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Tequila worm "misconception" == |
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== 'quality' comments in article == |
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This section states a bunch of apparently-true facts and then says "this misconception persists," without saying what misconception it's talking about. [[Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:129F:E99F:0:0:0:8395|2607:FEA8:129F:E99F:0:0:0:8395]] ([[User talk:2607:FEA8:129F:E99F:0:0:0:8395|talk]]) 02:21, 11 November 2020 (UTC) |
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it is subjective to say that one tequila is 'better quality' than another. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.176.108.8|76.176.108.8]] ([[User talk:76.176.108.8|talk]]) 08:29, 10 July 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:How would you suggest we improve this? - [[User:SummerPhD|<span style="color:#D70270;background-color:white;">Sum</span><span style="color:#734F96;background-color:white;">mer</span><span style="color:#0038A8;background-color:white;">PhD</span>]] ([[User talk:SummerPhD|talk]]) 15:33, 10 July 2014 (UTC) |
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== Barrel size / flavour complexity == |
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"Reposado may be rested in oak barrels or casks as large as 20,000 liters (5,280 gallons), allowing for richer and more complex flavors." - surely smaller barrels give richer flavours due to the higher surface ares / volume ratio? |
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A single interview of a single individual does not qualify as a reliable source for the assertion that global warming is affecting the quality of tequila or the agave starting material. The proposition that the warming observed over the time frame of the single commentator's experience -- about 0.2°C -- is responsible for large changes in the maturation rate of agave is scientifically unfounded and dubious. [[Special:Contributions/97.91.254.54|97.91.254.54]] ([[User talk:97.91.254.54|talk]]) 06:16, 5 February 2016 (UTC) |
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--[[Special:Contributions/86.13.184.107|86.13.184.107]] ([[User talk:86.13.184.107|talk]]) 00:38, 30 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:I think this is in comparison to blanco, rather than smaller casks. [[Special:Contributions/188.96.172.204|188.96.172.204]] ([[User talk:188.96.172.204|talk]]) 18:08, 26 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== Cristallino == |
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- Spirit drinks trade act |
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The article doesn't currently mention cristallino as a category at all; it should. [[Special:Contributions/188.96.172.204|188.96.172.204]] ([[User talk:188.96.172.204|talk]]) 18:08, 26 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== The production map == |
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I'm going to remove the production map. First, it doesn't come from a reliable source. Second, it doesn't match the text of the article. We say that tequila comes from "Jalisco and limited municipalities in the states of Guanajuato, Michoacán, Nayarit, and Tamaulipas." But the map shows it coming from Jalisco and Guanajuato. Third, it's wrong. There's plenty of agave production in Yucatán, for example, but that state is not colored on the map. Finally, I don't see the relevance. It might be useful to have a heat map of distillery locations, but a map that colors in all of Guanajuato and none of Nayarit doesn't seem useful. And what's the point of showing where agave that is not used to make tequila is produced? [[User:GA-RT-22|GA-RT-22]] ([[User talk:GA-RT-22|talk]]) 17:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC) |
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- Spirit drinks trade act |
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== See also section == |
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- Labeling requirements |
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Do we need to discuss whether rum, mead, and acerum belong in the See also section? I don't think they do. [[User:GA-RT-22|GA-RT-22]] ([[User talk:GA-RT-22|talk]]) 00:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC) |
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[edit]Regulation section
[edit]Is the regulation section really necessary/relevant? How many countries' regulations could we add? Should we also add Botswana, South Africa, Greece, Russia, Sweden and Japan? I hope you get the point. --83.251.124.203 (talk) 21:26, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
Tequila good for health?
[edit]As far as i know there are a lot of benefits for ingesting tequila. I've read it's benefical for the heart and other organs if its drunk in a moderate manner. --189.135.71.148 03:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
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[edit]Is it true tequila is a stimulant? jengod 08:41, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- I don't know of any evidence for that claim (other than that sugar is a stimulant, so it is as much a stimulant as any other alcohol). Users (including myself) report a more "alert" feeling than other alcohols. And back when I used to consume far too much of the stuff, I noticed that even drinking a lot of tequila would not lead to debilitating headaches or other hangover symptoms the next morning (though it is still not recommended before a day of work, lol). I speak only of my experience with 100% agave tequilas.
- My theory is that the agave sugar is less of a dehydrating agent than cane or other sugars. I have no evidence to back this up and I am not a scientist or doctor, so it's purely a guess on my part. I don't know if this is related to the "alertness" issue or not. Perhaps someone with actual medicinal knowledge can offer more info. csloat 09:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- According to BartenderOne "Tequila and Absinthe are the only alcoholic beverages" that are stimulants. - SKA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.32.187.106 (talk) 07:58, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
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[edit]Copyright violation?
[edit]From the thread on how tequila is normally served:
It is also found on this site [1]. Copyvio? Ubermonkey 01:16, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
If anything, I think this site might be the one violating copyright. While working on the production section, I stumbled on that site which had an exact copy of the Wikipedia page. I checked the revision dates though, and while the exact same words were added to Wikipedia in 2008, the site now gives a copyright starting in 2009.
He did do it all at once, and it was the contributer's only registered edit, which may be a little strange. It's always possible the contributer lifted it, but the citations aren't bad and imply actually reading a third source. I would think if the other site's copyright were legit, they'd be aware of it and complain about it. Zar2gar1 (talk) 04:08, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Missing citation in Chemistry > Alcohol content, last paragraph
[edit]Sorry if I'm doing this wrong; I'm new to Wikipedia.
The title says it: the last paragraph of the `Chemistry > Alcohol content` section has no citations at all.
Sparrition (talk) 13:24, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Tequila and osteoporosis
[edit]Just in case we get someone trying to add one of the recent sensationalist news stories about tequila curing bone cancer or some shit like that, here's Harvard Medical School explaining "no, that's not how that works." Ian.thomson (talk) 00:11, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Probable typo fix
[edit]Changed "Aging: Chemistry": "The final result of these changes are increased concentrations of acids, esters and aldehydes and a decrease in fuel oil concentration" to read "fusel oil", per context of rest of paragraph and likelihood of typo. (Reference given [28] is a dead link.)
This is only an educated reader guess, so check by someone with knowledge would be good.
Lamerc (talk) 20:11, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
- Correct; it was meant to be fusel oil. – Phoney (talk) 09:18, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Tequila worm "misconception"
[edit]This section states a bunch of apparently-true facts and then says "this misconception persists," without saying what misconception it's talking about. 2607:FEA8:129F:E99F:0:0:0:8395 (talk) 02:21, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Barrel size / flavour complexity
[edit]"Reposado may be rested in oak barrels or casks as large as 20,000 liters (5,280 gallons), allowing for richer and more complex flavors." - surely smaller barrels give richer flavours due to the higher surface ares / volume ratio? --86.13.184.107 (talk) 00:38, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- I think this is in comparison to blanco, rather than smaller casks. 188.96.172.204 (talk) 18:08, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Cristallino
[edit]The article doesn't currently mention cristallino as a category at all; it should. 188.96.172.204 (talk) 18:08, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
The production map
[edit]I'm going to remove the production map. First, it doesn't come from a reliable source. Second, it doesn't match the text of the article. We say that tequila comes from "Jalisco and limited municipalities in the states of Guanajuato, Michoacán, Nayarit, and Tamaulipas." But the map shows it coming from Jalisco and Guanajuato. Third, it's wrong. There's plenty of agave production in Yucatán, for example, but that state is not colored on the map. Finally, I don't see the relevance. It might be useful to have a heat map of distillery locations, but a map that colors in all of Guanajuato and none of Nayarit doesn't seem useful. And what's the point of showing where agave that is not used to make tequila is produced? GA-RT-22 (talk) 17:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
See also section
[edit]Do we need to discuss whether rum, mead, and acerum belong in the See also section? I don't think they do. GA-RT-22 (talk) 00:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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