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According to John Julius Norwich in his History of Venice, the "first two" Doges of Venice are actually apocryphal, and Paolo was almost certainly in fact the Byzantine Exarch at Ravenna that was assassinated in 727 after 726 when Byzantine possessions in Italy including Venice revolted and chose their own Dux, leaders, (the "Dux" of Venice being Orso Ipato, and the title later changing "Doge" following Venetian dialect). |
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Furthermore according to Norwich, John the Deacon's fantasy that Paolo was the first Doge has to do with (and he got it from who?), wishful thinking that Venice was born in freedom (which is most certainly not the case, as "Ipato" comes from "Hypatos", meaning Consul, the title which the Byzantine emporer granted Orso.) |
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== CROWN OF EGYPT == |
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"This ceremonial cap may have been ultimately based on the white crown of Upper Egypt." The source for this nonsense is Samuel Sharpe in a book published in 1863. If there is no recent respectable scholarly source for this shouldn't it be removed? [[User:METRANGOLO1|METRANGOLO1]] ([[User talk:METRANGOLO1|talk]]) 16:11, 28 May 2022 (UTC) |
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Shouldn't we be using the Venetian names without vowel endings, like Leonardo Loredan? |
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== Naming == |
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Why isn't this '''Doge of Venice''' singualar? As most page that are not merely lists use the singular. [[User:Grenavitar|gren]] [[User talk:Grenavitar|グレン]] 21:10, 20 August 2005 (UTC) |
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<span class="wikied-assignment" style="font-size:85%;">— Assignment last updated by [[User:MayaHBu|MayaHBu]] ([[User talk:MayaHBu|talk]]) 21:12, 7 October 2023 (UTC)</span> |
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==Term of office== |
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Did the Doges rule for life? Fishal 04:24, 18 April 2006 (UTC) |
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:Turns out that they did. Fishal 06:25, 20 April 2006 (UTC) |
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::"resignation of Doge Francesco Foscari in 1457" |
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::Maybe not quite life after-all. |
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::~ender 2008-04-10 12:33:PM MST |
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== Able to leave the Palace complex? == |
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There had been some back-and-fort editing earlier, a high-profile user just reverted my edit, thinking that my edit is not an improvement. In which I tried to rearranged the infobox (by just moving the title above the name). Literally most monarchial infoboxes have that (examples: [[Emperor of Russia]], [[German Emperor]]) [[User:G0dzillaboy02|G0dzillaboy02]] ([[User talk:G0dzillaboy02|talk]]) 13:21, 11 September 2024 (UTC) |
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I was under the impression that the Doge could leave the lagoon, if he was accompanied by two observers. Someone with more time could find it in John Norwich's "History of Venice", which is where I think I read it. [[User:Plasticbadge|Plasticbadge]] 13:54, 3 September 2006 (UTC) |
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:It's patently obvious that the Doge ''could'' leave (e.g. [[Enrico Dandolo]] and [[Francesco Morosini]]); this seems to have been confusion from a limitation on his meeting with agents of foreign powers. [[User:Kirill Lokshin|Kirill Lokshin]] 15:35, 3 September 2006 (UTC) |
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:Well, the text in the article was: <blockquote>He was by law forbidden to leave the city, confined for the rest of his life to the [[Doge's Palace]] complex and the connected [[Basilica di San Marco]]. (Compare with the ''[[podestà]]'' of other Italian republics who were confined by their term office).</blockquote> I'll try to search through my copy of Norwich, but this seems to be, on the surface of it, utter nonsense. (Incidenally, members of the [[Council of Ten]] ''were'' confined to the palace for the duration of their terms, if I recall correctly.) [[User:Kirill Lokshin|Kirill Lokshin]] 15:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC) |
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:: I have seen the claim repeated on an information panel on my last visit to the Doge's palace. The simple reason given was something like that the Doge's seal was essential to the witnessing of city business, so they needed to keep him around as a physical transaction validation device. It seems like a lousy job, frankly, one you'd only want to retire into. Perhaps I can talk my wife into a repeat visit "fact checking trip" to verify the exact wording they used. |
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:: [[User:Inopinatus|Inopinatus]] ([[User talk:Inopinatus|talk]]) 08:11, 17 February 2014 (UTC) |
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::Did someone remove that text from the article? Because I don't see it anymore. |
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::~ender 2008-04-10 12:26:PM MST |
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::Kiril Loshkin, I'm at the beginning of Norwhich's coverage of the 12th century and have yet to see it, though it probably came later. Some of what has been removed is in the List of Doges of Venice article and really should be moved back here. [[User:InMyHumbleOpinion|IMHO]] ([[User talk:InMyHumbleOpinion|talk]]) 22:22, 21 December 2009 (UTC) |
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Wow? |
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Such doge |
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Much Venice |
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Very Imperial <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.255.212.207|67.255.212.207]] ([[User talk:67.255.212.207|talk]]) 15:25, 26 January 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Surveillance? == |
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"the doge was constantly under strict surveillance" |
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I was reading in some fiction that the [[Council of Ten|Capi]] (and boy there's a lot of questions in that article) were constantly watching him, except for when he was in his bed-chamber, with his wife. Yet, he can conduct business? And/or open mail from non-foreign powers?<br>I'd like some more details.<br>~ender 2008-04-10 12:23:PM MST |
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== IPA == |
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The IPA for the pronunciation of "Doge" seems to be incorrect. The correct Italian pronunciation is {{IPA-it|ˈdɔːdʒe}}. In fact, I'm not sure why this article is using English IPA at all. I have added the the Italian pronunciation to the article, but have left the supposed English pronunciation as well, for now. [[User:Tad Lincoln|Tad Lincoln]] ([[User talk:Tad Lincoln|talk]]) 05:55, 16 July 2013 (UTC) |
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:Seeing as this is an article on the English Wikipedia I think English IPA should be a given. --[[Special:Contributions/87.82.207.195|87.82.207.195]] ([[User talk:87.82.207.195|talk]]) 21:46, 29 November 2013 (UTC) |
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:Why the Italian pronunciation? Shouldn't it be based upon [[Venetian Language]]? --[[Special:Contributions/75.71.117.214|75.71.117.214]] ([[User talk:75.71.117.214|talk]]) 07:49, 30 November 2013 (UTC) |
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:Still, as far as I know, the correct Italian pronunciation should have the final 'e'. It's very rare that Italian words don't end in a vowel. I'm Venetian, but I'm pretty sure I've never heard it in Italian as it's written here. I'm asking a (Roman) linguist about this, I'll update as soon as I know. - klez <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/79.45.31.14|79.45.31.14]] ([[User talk:79.45.31.14|talk]]) 13:32, 25 January 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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: I found an Italian dictionary (the state TV one) that uses the 'e' at the end of the word. http://www.dizionario.rai.it/poplemma.aspx?lid=64523&r=24441 - klez <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/79.45.31.14|79.45.31.14]] ([[User talk:79.45.31.14|talk]]) 14:51, 25 January 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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: All the English dictionaries give the pronunciation (in UK and American English) as /ˈdoʊdʒ/ or /ˈdoʊʒ/, not /ˈdoʊdʒeɪ/. Is there any source for the latter?[[Special:Contributions/74.88.18.227|74.88.18.227]] ([[User talk:74.88.18.227|talk]]) 14:01, 15 December 2016 (UTC) |
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== Introductory paragraph doesn't read well and is ambiguous == |
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Could someone with more knowledge of the subject revise this part? I found it confusing. In particular: |
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<blockquote>Doges of Venice were elected for life by the city-state's aristocracy. </blockquote> |
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and then: |
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<blockquote>The title "doge" was '''the title of the senior-most elected official of Venice''' and Genoa; both cities were republics and elected doges.</blockquote> |
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My question would be whether the doge was especially elected to be the doge i.e. in an election specific for that purpose, or whether it was just the senior most official who was ''already'' elected. |
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[[User:CryptoCat|CryptoCat]] ([[User talk:CryptoCat|talk]]) 14:09, 27 February 2018 (UTC) |
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CROWN OF EGYPT
[edit]"This ceremonial cap may have been ultimately based on the white crown of Upper Egypt." The source for this nonsense is Samuel Sharpe in a book published in 1863. If there is no recent respectable scholarly source for this shouldn't it be removed? METRANGOLO1 (talk) 16:11, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
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[edit]There had been some back-and-fort editing earlier, a high-profile user just reverted my edit, thinking that my edit is not an improvement. In which I tried to rearranged the infobox (by just moving the title above the name). Literally most monarchial infoboxes have that (examples: Emperor of Russia, German Emperor) G0dzillaboy02 (talk) 13:21, 11 September 2024 (UTC)