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Requested move 30 August 2021

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa (talk) 08:39, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Belarusian People's Republic → Belarusian Democratic Republic – The current name, Belarusian People's Republic, is of limited use in scholarly and popular literature. It does not appear in the titles of publications, judging by Google Scholar. It does not appear in book titles either. The Belarusian Democratic Republic name has a significantly wider use, incl. in scholarly literature and in literature originating in Belarus and in the Belarusian diaspora. It is also used by the Rada of BNR, the body claiming the mandate of the original Republic’s government. Note: the 2013 discussion about renaming the page for the Belarusian National Republic was inconclusive, the request was rejected. Nieszczarda2 (talk) 05:03, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support the request. The suggested name (Belarusian Democratic Republic) is used more widely. I support the reasoning expressed in the comment above. SuuriMara (talk) 09:54, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I support “Democratic” - this is more widely used in English language sources.

NB that the title of the article was Belarusian National Republic from its creation in 2005 until 2008, the target of the previous move request. — AjaxSmack 16:17, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support the request, as based on sound arguments.--W (talk) 16:58, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support the renaming to Belarusian Democratic Republic, as it is widely used in reliable sources. --Kazimier Lachnovič (talk) 18:31, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Change name

I suggest we rename this page to Belarusian People’s Republic because it is the correct translation of “Bielaruskaja Narodnaja Respublika”. Narodnaja doesn’t mean “Democratic”. Oh, and Translate says that “Belarusian Democratic Republic” means “Bielaruskaja Narodnaja Respublika”, probably because of wikipedia. I still support the change to Belarusian People’s Republic. TankDude2000 (talk) 17:55, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Judging by the above motivations for moving, such was done on the basis that "Democratic" is more common in sources. The Government-in-exile appears to use "Democratic", however. The sources may instead be reflecting the afore-mentioned as opposed to the original entity. I've only ever known this entity as the "People's" and agree it should be changed back. There needs to be a proper debate about this! UaMaol (talk) 02:31, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Slight agree. Belarusian National Republic seems to have more hits in books, and would be more accurate than 'Democratic'. Its really weird because when looking at the article body, it cites the Rada, which goes to a website....which says Narodnaya in the archive photos. what. We shouldn't duplicate mistranslations because then other people cite wikipedia and it enters the consensus in a feedback loop. LeVivsky (ಠ_ಠ) 16:10, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Borders

Who do the borders of the BDR used in the infobox overlap with the borders of the Ukrainian People's Republic and the Kingdom of Lithuania? Luke0821 (talk) 18:47, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apostrophe Fix

So, I'm trying to to change the title to "Belarusian People's Republic", and the Apostrophe is wrong, I can't put the correct one in for some reason. Can this be fixed? Ironzombie39 (talk) 22:23, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Contested (and sloppy) page move

@Primefac:: There was a successful requested move in August 2021. Therefore the current move by Ironzombie39 (talk · contribs) was done without reviewing the well-established consensus and must be reverted. --Altenmann >talk 18:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also:

Belarusian People's Republic

but remained

Rada of the Belarusian Democratic Republic

--Altenmann >talk 18:18, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

shrugs okay. Primefac (talk) 18:27, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Requested move 30 August 2021 ==
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+:''The following is a closed discussion of a [[Wikipedia:Requested moves|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a [[Wikipedia:move review|move review]] after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. ''
+The result of the move request was: '''page moved'''.  [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 08:39, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
-*Capital city was Smalensk.
+----
-:I am afraid you are mistaken. [[BSSR]] was proclaimed in Smalensk immediately before the [[Red Army]] crushed BNR. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 15:48, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
+[[:Belarusian People's Republic]] → {{no redirect|Belarusian Democratic Republic}} – The current name, Belarusian People's Republic, is of limited use in scholarly and popular literature. It does not appear in the titles of publications, judging by Google Scholar. It does not appear in book titles either. The Belarusian Democratic Republic name has a significantly wider use, incl. in scholarly literature and in literature originating in Belarus and in the Belarusian diaspora. It is also used by the Rada of BNR, the body claiming the mandate of the original Republic’s government. Note: the 2013 discussion about renaming the page for the Belarusian National Republic was inconclusive, the request was rejected. [[User:Nieszczarda2|Nieszczarda2]] ([[User talk:Nieszczarda2|talk]]) 05:03, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
+* '''Support''' the request. The suggested name (Belarusian Democratic Republic) is used more widely. I support the reasoning expressed in the comment above. [[User:SuuriMara|SuuriMara]] ([[User talk:SuuriMara|talk]]) 09:54, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
-== Name ==
+* I '''support''' “Democratic” - this is more widely used in English language sources.
-Belarusian People's Republic in belarusian : Беларуская Народная Рэспубліка, eng. transliteration : Belaruskaya Narodnaya Republika. Wrongly translated as "Belarusian National Republic" , because national in belarusian is Националная.
+: NB that the title of the article was {{-r|Belarusian National Republic|Belarusian ''National'' Republic}} from its creation in 2005 until 2008, the target of [[#Requested move|the previous move request]].  — [[User talk:AjaxSmack|<span style="border:1px solid #93010b;background:#ef0000;padding:2px;color:#efe6e6;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em; font-family: Georgia;">&nbsp;'''AjaxSmack'''&nbsp;</span>]] 16:17, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
-::Why not moving it to People's Republic then? [[User:Brugues|Brugues]] 15:03, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
+* '''Support''' the request, as based on sound arguments.--[[User:W|W]] ([[User talk:W|talk]]) 16:58, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
-*Please follow reliable sources in the English language and do not engage in [[wp:original research]]. You have mistaken [[National]] for [[Nationalist]]; two different words with two different meanings. [[User:Poeticbent|<font face="Papyrus" color="darkblue"><b>Poeticbent</b></font>]] [[User_talk:Poeticbent|<font style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#FFFFFF;font-weight:bold;background:#FF88AF;border:1px solid #DF2929;padding:0.0em 0.2em;">talk</font>]] 19:55, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
+* '''Support''' the renaming to Belarusian Democratic Republic, as it is widely used in reliable sources. --[[User:Kazimier Lachnovič|Kazimier Lachnovič]] ([[User talk:Kazimier Lachnovič|talk]]) 18:31, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
+<div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: #FF0000;">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</div><!-- from [[Template:Archive bottom]] -->
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-== one contributor ==
+== Change name ==
+I suggest we rename this page to [[Belarusian People’s Republic]] because it is the correct translation of “Bielaruskaja Narodnaja Respublika”. Narodnaja doesn’t mean “Democratic”. Oh, and Translate says that “Belarusian Democratic Republic” means “Bielaruskaja Narodnaja Respublika”, probably because of wikipedia. I still support the change to [[Belarusian People’s Republic]]. [[User:TankDude2000|TankDude2000]] ([[User talk:TankDude2000|talk]]) 17:55, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
-Wikipedia contributor Kuban coSSack's talking about dictatorial ruler Lukashenka (who massively and monstrously falsified the vote) and today's storming of the October square, when hundreds of special police arrested peaceful demonstrators, totally destoryed the camp, threw empty vodka bottles into the mess and videotaped that for Belarusan state television. Here's Kuban coSSack's comment about this police action and break-up of a peaceful protest, which took place at 3AM so that there would be no witnesses of their activity:
+:Judging by the above motivations for moving, such was done on the basis that "Democratic" is more common in sources. The Government-in-exile appears to use "Democratic", however. The sources may instead be reflecting the afore-mentioned as opposed to the original entity. I've only ever known this entity as the "People's" and agree it should be changed back. There needs to be a proper debate about this! [[User:Uamaol|UaMaol]] ([[User talk:Uamaol|talk]]) 02:31, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
-* http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/24/game-over/#comments
+:Slight agree. Belarusian National Republic seems to have more hits in books, and would be more accurate than 'Democratic'. Its really weird because when looking at the article body, it cites the Rada, which goes to a website....which says Narodnaya in the archive photos. what. We shouldn't duplicate mistranslations because then other people cite wikipedia and it enters the consensus in a feedback loop. '''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 16:10, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
-* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rydel#.22kuban_coSSack.22
+== Borders ==
-Dear fellow Wikipedians, do you understand that the only purpose of his contributions on articles about Belarus (such as [[Belarusian language]], [[Belarusian history]], [[Belarus]], etc.) is to push Russian imperial POV and lies? Please, see history and talk pages of the Belarus-related articles. --[[User:Rydel|rydel]] 16:33, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
+Who do the borders of the BDR used in the infobox overlap with the borders of the Ukrainian People's Republic and the Kingdom of Lithuania? [[User:Luke0821|Luke0821]] ([[User talk:Luke0821|talk]]) 18:47, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
-==Armed Forces==
-Armed forces are not a legal requirement for nationhood, as the article implies -- else Costa Rica would not be a country.  --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 20:08, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
+== Apostrophe Fix ==
-==Influence today==
-Does the BNR have any influence over Belarusian politics today?  Fishal 01:08, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
+So, I'm trying to to change the title to "Belarusian People's Republic", and the Apostrophe is wrong, I can't put the correct one in for some reason. Can this be fixed? [[User:Ironzombie39|Ironzombie39]] ([[User talk:Ironzombie39|talk]]) 22:23, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
+== Contested (and sloppy) page move ==
-== Not english spellings ==
+{{ping|Primefac}}: There was a successful [[#Requested move 30 August 2021|requested move in August 2021]]. Therefore the current move by {{user|Ironzombie39}} was done without reviewing the well-established  consensus and must be reverted. --[[user:Altenmann|Altenmann]] [[user talk:Altenmann|>talk]] 18:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
-These names should be written in English alphabet. Letters č and Ž don't exist in English.
+Also:
-    * Jan Sierada (1918–1919)
+*[[Belarusian People's Republic]]
-    * Piotra Krečeŭski (1919–1928)
+but remained
-    * Vasil Zacharka (1928–1943)
+*[[Rada of the Belarusian Democratic Republic]]
-    * Mikoła Abramčyk (1944–1970)
+--[[user:Altenmann|Altenmann]] [[user talk:Altenmann|>talk]] 18:18, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
-    * Vincent Žuk-Hryškievič (1970–1982)
+:''shrugs'' okay. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 18:27, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
-    * Jazep Sažyč (1982–1997)
-    * Ivonka Survilla (1997–present)
-:It's in [[Lacinka]]. [[User:195.222.71.80|195.222.71.80]] 20:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
-== What about Red Army crimes in Belarus starting from 1918? ==
-The article lacks some information.
-[[User:Ttturbo|Ttturbo]] 08:44, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
-== Government in exile ==
-"''Similar governments-in-exile of the neighboring countries (Lithuania, Poland and others) handed back their symbolic "authorities" to the corresponding independent governments in the 1990s, after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. The BNR council has not done this because it views the current Belarusian government of president Alexander Lukashenka as an anti-Belarusian, anti-independence, and an anti-democratic power.''"
-What happened in 1990–1991 was exactly what the government of BNR in exile was longing for. (The authoritarian regime of Lukashenko was established only in 1995) So this does not explain why they didn't hand back their authorities to the new Belarusian government in 1991–1995. — [[User:Glebchik|Glebchik]] ([[User talk:Glebchik|talk]]) 16:51, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
-== "was" should be replaced with "is" ==
-The article states that the government is still in exile, so wouldn't it still exist, even if only ''de jure''?--[[User:CafeDelKevin|CafeDelKevin]] ([[User talk:CafeDelKevin|talk]]) 02:23, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
-== Recognized ==
-Germany have not recognized Belarusian Peoples Republic. the links is not a good reference. " Belarusian Peoples Republic was recognized by Lithuania, LOatvia, Estonia, Finland, Ukrainian Peoples Republic, Czechoslovakia, and Turkey." When german recognized Belarus of an independant state ? http://www.terradelfuoco.org/pdf/uff-3_en.pdf  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/78.250.207.231|78.250.207.231]] ([[User talk:78.250.207.231|talk]]) 12:37, 1 August 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-==Requested move==
-{{archive top|No consensus, no discussion for over two weeks: time to close this RM. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 05:19, 3 January 2013 (UTC)}}
-[[:Belarusian People&#39;s Republic]] → {{no redirect|Belarusian National Republic}} – Per inline citation in English, and [[wp:verifiability]]. Present name (Belarusian People's Republic) is not supported by references in the English language. The only wp:rs citation clearly says BNR... not BPR. Please see applicable naming convention policies and guidelines for support. <small>''Relisted''. [[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 19:36, 27 December 2012 (UTC)</small> [[User:Poeticbent|<font face="Papyrus" color="darkblue"><b>Poeticbent</b></font>]] [[User_talk:Poeticbent|<font style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#FFFFFF;font-weight:bold;background:#FF88AF;border:1px solid #DF2929;padding:0.0em 0.2em;">talk</font>]] 18:33, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
-* '''Oppose'''.
-** " Present name (Belarusian People's Republic) is not supported by references in the English language." Well, it is:
-*** http://www.kas.de/belarus/en/publications/31196/ ''an exhibition titled “Unknown Belarusian People’s Republic”''
-*** http://en.ehu.lt/en/events/show/exhibition-unknown-belarusian-peoples-republic ''An exhibition of newly discovered archival material entitled “Unknown Belarusian People’s Republic” is opening in Vilnius on March 23.''
-*** https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Belarusian+People's+Republic%22+-Wikipedia
-** same as for "[[Ukrainian People's Republic]]" Українська Народна Республіка
-** same as other translations of "Народная Рэспубліка" [http://be.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%96%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%A0%D1%8D%D1%81%D0%BF%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%BB%D1%96%D0%BA%D0%B0]
-** Narod means people, not? [http://be.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4 be:Народ] links to en:people and has a see also "Нацыя" which is linked to "Nation". [[User:NVanMinh|NVanMinh]] ([[User talk:NVanMinh|talk]]) 19:29, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
-* '''Support'''. Narod means [[Nation]], i.e. National, as in National Republic. Search results for "Belarusian National Republic" -Wikipedia amount to '''about 20,500''' including Belarusian National Republic Anthem, Head of Belarusian National Republic government and Belarusian National Republic by The Journal of Belarusian Studies among countless others. [[User:Poeticbent|<font face="Papyrus" color="darkblue"><b>Poeticbent</b></font>]] [[User_talk:Poeticbent|<font style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#FFFFFF;font-weight:bold;background:#FF88AF;border:1px solid #DF2929;padding:0.0em 0.2em;">talk</font>]] 21:49, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
-:* "'''about 20,500'''" ... well for "Belarusian People's Republic" -Wikipedia I get 100 000 more: "About 126,000 results". [[User:NVanMinh|NVanMinh]] ([[User talk:NVanMinh|talk]]) 22:21, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
-:::Take a second look, please. Most of your results are from Belarus, not from the English-speaking countries. According to Google books, only about '''279 results''' mention "Belarusian People's Republic" -Wikipedia. Less than the Belarusian National Republic. [[User:Poeticbent|<font face="Papyrus" color="darkblue"><b>Poeticbent</b></font>]] [[User_talk:Poeticbent|<font style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#FFFFFF;font-weight:bold;background:#FF88AF;border:1px solid #DF2929;padding:0.0em 0.2em;">talk</font>]] 01:36, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
-::::Then why you still have "'' wp:verifiability. Present name (Belarusian People's Republic) is not supported by references in the English language. ''"? [[User:NVanMinh|NVanMinh]] ([[User talk:NVanMinh|talk]]) 07:47, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
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