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== The Passion of the Christ: Resurrection - a stand alone article (spin out) == |
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The sequel to [[The Passion of the Christ |The Passion]], entitled '''''The Passion of the Christ: Resurrection''''',<ref>{{cite website |title=Mel Gibson's 'Passion of the Christ' Sequel Titled 'Resurrection' |url=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/mel-gibsons-passion-christ-sequel-titled-resurrection-943363}}</ref> ought to have its own page. The Passion was a huge success and its sequel should get the proper attention. [[Jim Caviezel]] is saying that the sequel will be "the biggest film in history."<ref>{{cite website |title=New 'Passion of the Christ' will be 'the biggest film in history,' Jim Caviezel promises |url=https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2018/01/29/jim-caviezel-jesus-christ-passion-sequel/1074871001/}}</ref> Further, there is a lot of information out there in the public arena, and definitely enough to make an interesting page about it. For example, it has been reported that Jim Caviezel will reprise his role as [[Jesus]],<ref>{{cite website |title=Jesus returns: Jim Caviezel to reprise his role in sequel to ‘Passion of the Christ’ |url=https://aleteia.org/blogs/deacon-greg-kandra/jesus-returns-jim-caviezel-to-reprise-his-role-in-sequel-to-passion-of-the-christ/}}</ref> [[Maia Morgenstern]] will return as the [[Blessed Virgin Mary]], and [[Christo Jivkov]] and [[Francesco De Vito]] will return as [[John the Evangelist |St. John]] and [[St. Peter]], respectively.<ref>{{IMDb title|5795232}}</ref> In addition, [[Mel Gibson]] is set to direct it,<ref>{{cite website |title=Mel Gibson confirms 'Passion of the Christ' sequel |url=https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/mel-gibson-confirms-passion-of-the-christ-sequel}}</ref> and is teaming up with [[Braveheart]] [[screenplay writer]], [[Randall Wallace]],<ref>{{cite website |title=Mel Gibson’s Passion of the Christ sequel to be called The Resurrection |url=https://www.hindustantimes.com/hollywood/mel-gibson-s-passion-of-the-christ-sequel-to-be-called-the-resurrection/story-XnUyqyDFtQAtJYQ45vghLL.html}}</ref> who co-wrote ''The Resurrection'' screenplay with Gibson.<ref>{{cite website |title=Mel Gibson Planning 'Passion of the Christ' Sequel (Exclusive) |url=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/mel-gibson-planning-passion-christ-901299}}</ref> He says that he really wants to tell the story of [[resurrection of Jesus |Christ's Resurrection]] and that "The Passion is the beginning and there's a lot more story to tell."<ref>{{cite website |title=Mel Gibson is working on a ‘Passion of the Christ’ sequel |url=https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/mel-gibson-working-passion-christ-sequel-article-1.2667969}}</ref> |
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Moreover, just like ''The Passion'', ''The Resurrection'' is already stirring up controversy. Some are concerned and dismayed that Mel Gibson is going to direct another film, others are worried about the alleged antisemitism in ''The Passion'' may continue in the sequel.<ref>{{cite website |title=Mel Gibson Is Making Passion Of The Christ 2. Here’s Why You Should Be Worried. |url=https://forward.com/schmooze/393410/mel-gibson-is-making-passion-of-the-christ-2-you-should-be-worried/}}</ref> In addition, some are saying that ''The Resurrection'' will have obstacles that ''The Passion'' didn't have to worry about.<ref>{{cite website |title=Mel Gibson’s sequel to The Passion of the Christ will face challenges its predecessor didn’t |url=https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/1/31/16955448/passion-of-christ-sequel-mel-gibson-jim-caviezel-hell}}</ref> |
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Lastly, Jim Caviezel has also said that ''The Passion of the Christ: Resurrection'' will "shock the audience,"<ref>{{cite website |title=Mel Gibson's Controversial 'Passion of the Christ' to get Sequel That Will 'Shock the Audience,' Jim Caviezel Says |url=https://www.newsweek.com/mel-gibsons-controversial-passion-christ-get-sequel-will-shock-audience-jim-796463}}</ref> and Mel Gibson said, in an interview with [[Steven Colbert]], that it might include Jesus's decent into [[Hell]]<ref>{{cite interview |title=Mel Gibson Confirms Sequel To 'Passion Of The Christ' |url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a65DHhobPw0}}</ref><ref>{{cite website |title=Passion of the Christ 2 Gets Titled Resurrection, May Take Jesus to Hell |url=https://movieweb.com/passion-of-christ-2-resurrection-jesus-in-hell/}}</ref> and, in an interview with [[Raymond Arroyo]] on [[EWTN]], he said that the sequel would include a flashback to the [[fall of the angels]].<ref>{{cite interview |title=Mel Gibson on "The Resurrection" movie script |url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfkyYT1QcdY&feature=emb_title}}</ref> |
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== Sequel Filming == |
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I am aware that the sequel is currently filming in top secrecy because this was revealed in local Spanish language news outlets a while ago as beginning May 10th for a projected Easter 2020 release, given the movie is being filmed in the same locations as the original film and Gibson has made it a top secret project again. But can we please have direct confirmation the production is actually occurring? I cannot find an English source yet and the original Spanish source is difficult to relocate. Thanks. [[User:Colliric|Colliric]] ([[User talk:Colliric|talk]]) 06:39, 14 August 2019 (UTC) |
I am aware that the sequel is currently filming in top secrecy because this was revealed in local Spanish language news outlets a while ago as beginning May 10th for a projected Easter 2020 release, given the movie is being filmed in the same locations as the original film and Gibson has made it a top secret project again. But can we please have direct confirmation the production is actually occurring? I cannot find an English source yet and the original Spanish source is difficult to relocate. Thanks. [[User:Colliric|Colliric]] ([[User talk:Colliric|talk]]) 06:39, 14 August 2019 (UTC) |
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: Turns out that "sequel is currently filming in top secrecy" actually means "nothing is happening but we want people to think something is happening". [[User:Andrew Englehart|Andrew Englehart]] ([[User talk:Andrew Englehart|talk]]) 01:19, 11 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== Filming dates == |
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Unless a source is found, maybe with only approximate filming dates (it was Nov. 2002 to May-June 2003) I would like to suggest removing the unsourced and inaccurate dates. [[User:Apollinari|Apollinari]] ([[User talk:Apollinari|talk]]) 02:20, 15 May 2020 (UTC) |
Unless a source is found, maybe with only approximate filming dates (it was Nov. 2002 to May-June 2003) I would like to suggest removing the unsourced and inaccurate dates. [[User:Apollinari|Apollinari]] ([[User talk:Apollinari|talk]]) 02:20, 15 May 2020 (UTC) |
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: I see no reliable sources anywhere for commencement of principal photography on a sequel. I have re-instated the redirect to this article, as decided by the [[WP:Articles for deletion/The Resurrection of the Christ|previous discussion]]. [[User:Fred Zepelin|Fred Zepelin]] ([[User talk:Fred Zepelin|talk]]) 17:18, 11 June 2023 (UTC) |
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== UNDUE: 8.2 Disputed papal endorsement == |
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This section is too long and too detailed. Storm in a tea cup, etc. |
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[[User:Zezen|Zezen]] ([[User talk:Zezen|talk]]) 11:13, 12 July 2020 (UTC) |
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Why is there a category Category:Obscenity controversies in the article? Just because of this part "and some of the crude language used by the Roman soldiers was not translated in the subtitles"? Was the "crude language" really something that caused controversy? Is that really enough of a thing to include such a category? Checking the history, I found that the category was included in [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=The_Passion_of_the_Christ&diff=next&oldid=560907509 this edition]. I consider removing that category, as no lewd controversy has been pointed out about the film. The controversy is more related to violent content. [[User:A.WagnerC|✍A.WagnerC]] ([[User talk:A.WagnerC|talk]]) 17:37, 27 February 2023 (UTC) |
Why is there a category Category:Obscenity controversies in the article? Just because of this part "and some of the crude language used by the Roman soldiers was not translated in the subtitles"? Was the "crude language" really something that caused controversy? Is that really enough of a thing to include such a category? Checking the history, I found that the category was included in [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=The_Passion_of_the_Christ&diff=next&oldid=560907509 this edition]. I consider removing that category, as no lewd controversy has been pointed out about the film. The controversy is more related to violent content. [[User:A.WagnerC|✍A.WagnerC]] ([[User talk:A.WagnerC|talk]]) 17:37, 27 February 2023 (UTC) |
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:Given that it was added by an IP who hasn't edited since 2013, you'd probably be well within your rights to remove it. I note that the film was criticized for excessive violence, and that there's a subsection discussing that, but whether that constitutes obscenity isn't something I have a strong opinion on. [[User:Doniago|DonIago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 22:01, 27 February 2023 (UTC) |
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== Vaporware announcements about possible sequel == |
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I did find a softonic.com update about the vapor-sequel on the Wayback Machine, dated December 2023, but it's very vague and doesn't specify where the info published is coming from. Given that there have been at least a dozen sketchy announcements about a sequel filming in the last few years and absolutely none of them have panned out by the predicted dates that filming was supposedly commencing, I really think that unless an extremely reliable source published some concrete info, there's no reason to clutter up the "Sequel" section with Hollywood-hype press-release leaks to non-notable outlets and authors. Otherwise it will just be a long section of fake announcements from questionable sources. [[User:Andrew Englehart|Andrew Englehart]] ([[User talk:Andrew Englehart|talk]]) 01:26, 11 February 2024 (UTC) |
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Sequel Filming
[edit]I am aware that the sequel is currently filming in top secrecy because this was revealed in local Spanish language news outlets a while ago as beginning May 10th for a projected Easter 2020 release, given the movie is being filmed in the same locations as the original film and Gibson has made it a top secret project again. But can we please have direct confirmation the production is actually occurring? I cannot find an English source yet and the original Spanish source is difficult to relocate. Thanks. Colliric (talk) 06:39, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
- Turns out that "sequel is currently filming in top secrecy" actually means "nothing is happening but we want people to think something is happening". Andrew Englehart (talk) 01:19, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
Filming dates
[edit]I have failed to locate a reliable source for the dates of filming in Italy, first on location and then in the studios at Cinecitta.
The current dates given are incorrect, and the source link is dead. I suspect that the wording of the now-dead non-viewable linked article was ambiguous, possibly referring only to the filming portion in the town of Craco (Basilicata). I do not know how reliable the now-gone source was.
Unless a source is found, maybe with only approximate filming dates (it was Nov. 2002 to May-June 2003) I would like to suggest removing the unsourced and inaccurate dates. Apollinari (talk) 02:20, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
- I see no reliable sources anywhere for commencement of principal photography on a sequel. I have re-instated the redirect to this article, as decided by the previous discussion. Fred Zepelin (talk) 17:18, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
Film dub
[edit]On February 7, 2017, 20th Century Fox re-released the film on Blu-ray and DVD featuring both cuts, with the theatrical version being dubbed in English and Spanish;[67] this marks the first time the film has ever been dubbed in another language.
The film has a Portuguese dubbed version since 2015 [1] [2]
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Category:Obscenity controversies?
[edit]Why is there a category Category:Obscenity controversies in the article? Just because of this part "and some of the crude language used by the Roman soldiers was not translated in the subtitles"? Was the "crude language" really something that caused controversy? Is that really enough of a thing to include such a category? Checking the history, I found that the category was included in this edition. I consider removing that category, as no lewd controversy has been pointed out about the film. The controversy is more related to violent content. ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 17:37, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
- Given that it was added by an IP who hasn't edited since 2013, you'd probably be well within your rights to remove it. I note that the film was criticized for excessive violence, and that there's a subsection discussing that, but whether that constitutes obscenity isn't something I have a strong opinion on. DonIago (talk) 22:01, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
Vaporware announcements about possible sequel
[edit]I did find a softonic.com update about the vapor-sequel on the Wayback Machine, dated December 2023, but it's very vague and doesn't specify where the info published is coming from. Given that there have been at least a dozen sketchy announcements about a sequel filming in the last few years and absolutely none of them have panned out by the predicted dates that filming was supposedly commencing, I really think that unless an extremely reliable source published some concrete info, there's no reason to clutter up the "Sequel" section with Hollywood-hype press-release leaks to non-notable outlets and authors. Otherwise it will just be a long section of fake announcements from questionable sources. Andrew Englehart (talk) 01:26, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
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