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== He's an Atheist? == |
== He's an Atheist? == |
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The article does not mention whether Antony is an atheist or a theist, nor are any resources cited for this, yet he's included under the category of Indian Atheists[bottom of the page]. |
The article does not mention whether Antony is an atheist or a theist, nor are any resources cited for this, yet he's included under the category of Indian Atheists[bottom of the page]. |
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I think either a resource should be cited or the category removed.COGITO ERGO SUM 10:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC) |
I think either a resource should be cited or the category removed.COGITO ERGO SUM 10:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC) |
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:It is nearly the person above asked for reference for him being atheist. Since no one has put any reference, I have removed the Indian atheists catergory from this article. If anybody has reference, please add it and also the category --[[User:Soft coder|Soft coder]] ([[User talk:Soft coder|talk]]) 17:26, 17 December 2009 (UTC) |
:It is nearly the person above asked for reference for him being atheist. Since no one has put any reference, I have removed the Indian atheists catergory from this article. If anybody has reference, please add it and also the category --[[User:Soft coder|Soft coder]] ([[User talk:Soft coder|talk]]) 17:26, 17 December 2009 (UTC) |
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::Right now [http://www.dnaindia.com/lifestyle/report_we-are-talking-of-a-lifestyle-sans-god_1326966 this] is being used as a source for his atheism, and so the "Indian atheist" category is being used. [[User talk:Bluerasberry|<b>< |
::Right now [http://www.dnaindia.com/lifestyle/report_we-are-talking-of-a-lifestyle-sans-god_1326966 this] is being used as a source for his atheism, and so the "Indian atheist" category is being used. [[User talk:Bluerasberry|<b><span style="color:#0000CC;">Blue</span> <span style="color:#0033FF;">Rasberry</span></b>]] 21:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC) |
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==Family religion== |
==Family religion== |
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Antony was not born in a Latin Catholic family, but a Syrian Catholic family. Please correct the error. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/122.172.55.233|122.172.55.233]] ([[User talk:122.172.55.233|talk]]) 14:56, 13 September 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
Antony was not born in a Latin Catholic family, but a Syrian Catholic family. Please correct the error. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/122.172.55.233|122.172.55.233]] ([[User talk:122.172.55.233|talk]]) 14:56, 13 September 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Do you have a source for this? As the article is right now, it says he grew up in a Latin Catholic family but he married a Syrian Orthodox woman. Neither of these statements are sourced. [[User talk:Bluerasberry|<b>< |
:Do you have a source for this? As the article is right now, it says he grew up in a Latin Catholic family but he married a Syrian Orthodox woman. Neither of these statements are sourced. [[User talk:Bluerasberry|<b><span style="color:#0000CC;">Blue</span> <span style="color:#0033FF;">Rasberry</span></b>]] 21:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC) |
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Elizabeth Antony is not Syrian Orthodox but she is Syrian Catholic. She is from my place Neyyassery, Thodupuzha. There is not even a single Syrian Orthodox family in that place itself.Her family is part of Neyyassery Syrian Catholic church (Syro Malabar) Pl correct it. |
Elizabeth Antony is not Syrian Orthodox but she is Syrian Catholic. She is from my place Neyyassery, Thodupuzha. There is not even a single Syrian Orthodox family in that place itself.Her family is part of Neyyassery Syrian Catholic church (Syro Malabar) Pl correct it. |
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== [[Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion|Request for Comments]] == |
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There is an [[WP:RfC|RfC]] on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages. |
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== Religious beliefs == |
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I note [[Talk:A._K._Antony#He's an Atheist?]] above. Our [[WP:BLP|policy for biographies of living people]] requires that we provide [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that show the person self-identifying their religion. At present, we have two sources - [http://www.ndtv.com/opinion/in-defence-of-ak-antony-584497] and [http://www.rediff.com/news/report/atheist-siddaramaiah-and-gods-changing-role-in-politics/20130513.htm] - but neither seem to show this. Some contributors to Wikipedia also say that atheism is not a religion and therefore the infobox parameter for religion should not state it even if it does apply. |
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This can become a particular problem if there are sources for the religious belief of a subject's family, those sources ''are'' adequate per policy, and yet there is reason to suspect that they may not apply to the article subject (belief is, of course, not inherited and people do renounce or convert it during their lives). That appears to apply here because we have stuff saying his parents were St Thomas Christians. I know we're supposed to assume that the reader can, erm, read and thus won't extrapolate from "parents are Christian" to "he is Christian" ... but people do just that thing very often in the case of Indian subjects. |
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There is no way we can show his atheism using current sources. So, is there any reason at all why we should mention his parents' beliefs? Why are they significant to ''him''? Why is it encyclopaedic? - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 05:15, 30 September 2016 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2021 == |
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Change inluding to including. Fix typo. [[Special:Contributions/81.177.3.8|81.177.3.8]] ([[User talk:81.177.3.8|talk]]) 13:24, 15 September 2021 (UTC) |
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He's an Atheist?
[edit]The article does not mention whether Antony is an atheist or a theist, nor are any resources cited for this, yet he's included under the category of Indian Atheists[bottom of the page]. I think either a resource should be cited or the category removed.COGITO ERGO SUM 10:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- It is nearly the person above asked for reference for him being atheist. Since no one has put any reference, I have removed the Indian atheists catergory from this article. If anybody has reference, please add it and also the category --Soft coder (talk) 17:26, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
- Right now this is being used as a source for his atheism, and so the "Indian atheist" category is being used. Blue Rasberry 21:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Family religion
[edit]Antony was not born in a Latin Catholic family, but a Syrian Catholic family. Please correct the error. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.172.55.233 (talk) 14:56, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
- Do you have a source for this? As the article is right now, it says he grew up in a Latin Catholic family but he married a Syrian Orthodox woman. Neither of these statements are sourced. Blue Rasberry 21:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Elizabeth Antony is not Syrian Orthodox but she is Syrian Catholic. She is from my place Neyyassery, Thodupuzha. There is not even a single Syrian Orthodox family in that place itself.Her family is part of Neyyassery Syrian Catholic church (Syro Malabar) Pl correct it.
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There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.
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Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:37, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Religious beliefs
[edit]I note Talk:A._K._Antony#He's an Atheist? above. Our policy for biographies of living people requires that we provide reliable sources that show the person self-identifying their religion. At present, we have two sources - [1] and [2] - but neither seem to show this. Some contributors to Wikipedia also say that atheism is not a religion and therefore the infobox parameter for religion should not state it even if it does apply.
This can become a particular problem if there are sources for the religious belief of a subject's family, those sources are adequate per policy, and yet there is reason to suspect that they may not apply to the article subject (belief is, of course, not inherited and people do renounce or convert it during their lives). That appears to apply here because we have stuff saying his parents were St Thomas Christians. I know we're supposed to assume that the reader can, erm, read and thus won't extrapolate from "parents are Christian" to "he is Christian" ... but people do just that thing very often in the case of Indian subjects.
There is no way we can show his atheism using current sources. So, is there any reason at all why we should mention his parents' beliefs? Why are they significant to him? Why is it encyclopaedic? - Sitush (talk) 05:15, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
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Change inluding to including. Fix typo. 81.177.3.8 (talk) 13:24, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
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