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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 August 2023

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Request to change "at five to 13 billion dollars" in introduction to "at 5 to 13 billion dollars" for number consistency Placeholderer (talk) 20:44, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 21:16, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 September 2023

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I want to make an edit request for correction and academic purposes. Mendozawella (talk) 12:14, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. BelowTheSun (T•C) 12:24, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kleptocrat and dictator not sourced

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Remove "kleptocrat and dictator" from leade paragraph. Not WP:NPOV 207.96.32.81 (talk) 14:23, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: That isn't what WP:NPOV means. The first sentence in the policy states: neutral point of view [...] means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic. Reliable sources call Ferdinand Marcos a kleptocrat and dictator, and so that is what is written here. Tollens (talk) 20:12, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Which sources? President is an agreed on all reliable sources. This is clearly WP:BIAS 207.96.32.81 (talk) 23:17, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you've read the essay you linked to as it's not relevant to the discussion at hand. XeCyranium (talk) 20:00, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

what a lot of rubbish,Estate Tax has nothing to do with beneficiaries, go and read the rules before open your mouth ! 2A00:23C7:8E00:DC01:4C78:D48A:ABFB:9A71 (talk) 11:12, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marcos exile image

Would anyone know if the person on the far left is Bongbong Marcos? If so, I will add this image to the page. Forgive me, it is difficult to view from the angle. _signed,Pat ^talk 12:29, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 November 2024

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Please add the category Category:Children of prime ministers. 98.228.137.44 (talk) 22:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Bowler the Carmine | talk 20:57, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 August 2023 ==
-== PBBM can speak Ilocano ==
-Please change "and does not speak the Ilocano language.[229]" to "can speak the Ilocano language. He used the dialect when he campaigned in Ilocos."
-{{Edit fully-protected|answered=yes}}
+{{Edit extended-protected|Bongbong Marcos|answered=yes}}
+Request to change "at five to 13 billion dollars" in introduction to "at 5 to 13 billion dollars" for number consistency [[User:Placeholderer|Placeholderer]] ([[User talk:Placeholderer|talk]]) 20:44, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
+:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> [[User:ARandomName123|ARandomName123]] ([[User talk:ARandomName123|talk]])<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup>  21:16, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
+== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 September 2023 ==
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-Thank you!
-This is the proof that he can speak and understand the local language. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCY5ahcWUk0 Proof that PBBM can speak Ilocano]  [[User:Elialonzocruz|Elialonzocruz]] ([[User talk:Elialonzocruz|talk]]) 01:32, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
-:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:EEp --> [[User:The person who loves reading|The person who loves reading]] ([[User talk:The person who loves reading|talk]]) 01:53, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
-:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' Hello. In this interview, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL_3-tnXcVg&t=1040s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL_3-tnXcVg&t=1040s], Bongbong Marcos himself admitted that he was bad at speaking Ilocano. He is most likely reading from a teleprompter in the video you shared above. Regards, -[[User:Object404|Object404]] ([[User talk:Object404|talk]]) 02:31, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
-== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 April 2023 ==
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-Please change he does not speak Ilocano to he can speak Ilocano. [[User:Elialonzocruz|Elialonzocruz]] ([[User talk:Elialonzocruz|talk]]) 01:51, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
+I want to make an edit request for correction and academic purposes. [[User:Mendozawella|Mendozawella]] ([[User talk:Mendozawella|talk]]) 12:14, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
+:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:EEp --> [[User:BelowTheSun|<b style="background:linear-gradient(90deg, #8B008B 0%, #191970 100%);color:white;">&nbsp;BelowTheSun&nbsp;</b>]] <small>([[User talk:BelowTheSun|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/BelowTheSun|C]])</small> 12:24, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
+== Kleptocrat and dictator not sourced ==
-:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:EEp --> [[User:The person who loves reading|The person who loves reading]] ([[User talk:The person who loves reading|talk]]) 01:53, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
+{{Edit extended-protected|Bongbong Marcos|answered=yes}}
-:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' Hello. In this interview, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL_3-tnXcVg&t=1040s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL_3-tnXcVg&t=1040s], Bongbong Marcos himself admitted that he was bad at speaking Ilocano. He is most likely reading from a teleprompter in the video you shared above. Regards, -[[User:Object404|Object404]] ([[User talk:Object404|talk]]) 02:32, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
+Remove "kleptocrat and dictator" from leade paragraph. Not [[WP:NPOV]] [[Special:Contributions/207.96.32.81|207.96.32.81]] ([[User talk:207.96.32.81|talk]]) 14:23, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
+:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:EEp --> That isn't what [[WP:NPOV]] means. The first sentence in the policy states: {{tq|neutral point of view [...] means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic.}} Reliable sources call Ferdinand Marcos a kleptocrat and dictator, and so that is what is written here. [[User:Tollens|Tollens]] ([[User talk:Tollens|talk]]) 20:12, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
+::Which sources? President is an agreed on all reliable sources. This is clearly [[WP:BIAS]][[Special:Contributions/207.96.32.81|207.96.32.81]] ([[User talk:207.96.32.81|talk]]) 23:17, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
+:::I don't think you've read the essay you linked to as it's not relevant to the discussion at hand. [[User:XeCyranium|XeCyranium]] ([[User talk:XeCyranium|talk]]) 20:00, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
+::::what a lot of rubbish,Estate Tax has nothing to do with beneficiaries, go and read the rules  before open your mouth ! [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C7:8E00:DC01:4C78:D48A:ABFB:9A71|2A00:23C7:8E00:DC01:4C78:D48A:ABFB:9A71]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C7:8E00:DC01:4C78:D48A:ABFB:9A71|talk]]) 11:12, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
+== Marcos exile image ==
-== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 May 2023 ==
+[[File:Ferdinand E. Marcos and George Ariyoshi.jpg|thumb]]
-{{edit extended-protected|Bongbong Marcos|answered=yes}}
+Would anyone know if the person on the far left is Bongbong Marcos? If so, I will add this image to the page. Forgive me, it is difficult to view from the angle. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Patrick Cristiano|'''''Pat''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Patrick Cristiano|''talk'']]</sup> 12:29, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
-He did not win by a landslide. This is biased speech right in the opening paragraph and is not supported by the source. I understand that Pope administered nations are preferred to have dictators as the leadership (see Spain), but this doesnt mean you can just use Orwellian speech.[[Special:Contributions/95.171.194.45|95.171.194.45]] ([[User talk:95.171.194.45|talk]]) 04:47, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
+== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 November 2024 ==
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-:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done for now:'''<!-- Template:EEp --> What wording would you prefer? Landslide seems pretty reasonable as per the source he got 30.8 million votes with the runner up receiving 14.7 million. [[User:Cannolis|Cannolis]] ([[User talk:Cannolis|talk]]) 05:11, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
-== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 June 2023 ==
-Please add the template by using "Redirect" template: ''"Bongbong" redirects here. For other uses, see [[Bongbong (disambiguation)]].''
-Thank you. [[User:Guyrichtheman|Guyrichtheman]] ([[User talk:Guyrichtheman|talk]]) 13:47, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
-:This has already been done by someone else. [[User:Howard the Duck|Howard the Duck]] ([[User talk:Howard the Duck|talk]]) 12:30, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
-== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 August 2023 ==
-{{Edit extended-protected|Bongbong Marcos|answered=yes}}
-Request to change "at five to 13 billion dollars" in introduction to "at 5 to 13 billion dollars" for number consistency [[User:Placeholderer|Placeholderer]] ([[User talk:Placeholderer|talk]]) 20:44, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
-:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> [[User:ARandomName123|ARandomName123]] ([[User talk:ARandomName123|talk]])<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup>  21:16, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
-== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 September 2023 ==
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-I want to make an edit request for correction and academic purposes. [[User:Mendozawella|Mendozawella]] ([[User talk:Mendozawella|talk]]) 12:14, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
+Please add the category [[:Category:Children of prime ministers]]. [[Special:Contributions/98.228.137.44|98.228.137.44]] ([[User talk:98.228.137.44|talk]]) 22:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
+:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> [[User:Bowler the Carmine|<span style="background:linear-gradient(to right,#1a5fb4,#187148);background-clip:text;color:transparent;">Bowler the Carmine</span>]] | [[User talk:Bowler the Carmine|<span style="color:#813d9c">talk</span>]] 20:57, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
-:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:EEp --> [[User:BelowTheSun|<b style="background:linear-gradient(90deg, #8B008B 0%, #191970 100%);color:white;">&nbsp;BelowTheSun&nbsp;</b>]] <small>([[User talk:BelowTheSun|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/BelowTheSun|C]])</small> 12:24, 13 September 2023 (UTC)