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'''''Jacob''''' Bronck? Whoever put that there, are you sure?? I always learned his name was '''Jonas''' Bronck. -BRG
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Nobody's responded, and I've sen the name given as Joseph in another place. I've changed it to cite all these variants, and also put it into the "Bronx County" article. - BRG
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One of the ''worst reputations'' for what? [[User:DanKeshet|DanKeshet]]
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Bronx County and Bronx are now the same article, because they talk about the same place. [[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] 18:30, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)


== Population density ==
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It's quite bizarre that the area numbers only have 2 significant figures, while the population density figures have 6. Choose to round both or neither. [[User:Kk.urban|Kk.urban]] ([[User talk:Kk.urban|talk]]) 21:59, 11 September 2023 (UTC)


== Ogden Nash's poems ==
I don't agree with replacing "the Bronx" with "The Bronx." Common usage dicates that when talking about the Bronx in the middle of the sentence (like I just did in this sentence), "the" is not capitalized. This is the same as talking about the United States. I'm tempted to revert immediately, but would like some feedback first. --[[User:BaronLarf|BaronLarf]] 22:42, Jan 3, 2005 (UTC)


In the section "In popular culture" -> "Literature" -> "Poetry", Ogden Nash's poetic apology to the dean of Bronx Community College is described as a "prose poem", and I can't quite figure out why.
:My initial reaction was to agree with "The Bronx", but a few google searches changed my mind; I now agree with BaronLarf; it should be "the Bronx". All of the NY Times, the NYC Government, and the US Census bureau seem to use "the Bronx" (except, of course, at the beginning of a sentence). Try searching for '''"in the bronx" site:www.nyc.gov''', for example. --[[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] 00:45, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)


Its presentation is standard for poetry. The last six lines rhyme, and, as is not always true for Nash, they even scan, perfectly.


I guess I could have just put "Citation needed" after the "prose poem" categorization, but I thought I would be a bit more specific about my concern. What makes this a prose poem? Does any reputable external source describe it thus? I'm not a NYT subscriber so I can't check the referenced article to see if that is the source, but the description is so odd that I would be concerned even if it were written by the chairman of the English Department of Bronx Community College. [[User:ACW|ACW]] ([[User talk:ACW|talk]]) 00:31, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
== Move ==


:I do ''(too extravagantly for my budget)'' subscribe to ''The Times'' on line, and this is how the reporter introduced the second poem:
Either have this at [[The Bronx]] or [[Bronx County, New York]], not [[Bronx]]. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 11:22, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)
:<blockquote>Even Mr. Nash had second thoughts about the Bronx, and eventually tried to make amends. In 1964, 33 years after his original four-word poem was published, Mr. Nash wrote a letter to the dean of Bronx Community College apologizing — sort of:</blockquote>
:[[User:Shakescene|—— Shakescene]] ([[User talk:Shakescene|talk]]) 03:12, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
::I deleted the word "prose". Btw, you can sometimes get ''Times'' refs by copying and pasting the article title (eg, "Contrite Poet Gives A Cheer for Bronx On Golden Jubilee") into Google. [[User:Station1|Station1]] ([[User talk:Station1|talk]]) 06:22, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
::Actually, now that I see the image of the original article and its transcript, it's clear that those first two lines are simply part of Nash's reply to the dean and not part of the poem proper (no doubt why they don't scan). I've removed them. [[User:Station1|Station1]] ([[User talk:Station1|talk]]) 06:40, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
:::Thank you, Station1 and Shakescene, for fixing this and for the advice about the ''Times''. Eventually I will get my act together and subscribe -- the traditional press deserves our support. [[User:ACW|ACW]] ([[User talk:ACW|talk]]) 21:53, 27 December 2023 (UTC)


== The Bronx Bombers ==
== "The" in the name and so in the title? ==


Why "The" is in the name ("The Bronx") and so in the Wikipedia title? Is not it a normal "the" article? [[User:Mezze stagioni|Mezze stagioni]] ([[User talk:Mezze stagioni|talk]]) 10:43, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Hey Bletch, what on God's green earth is "inapropriate" about calling the Yankees the Bronx Bombers? It's a pretty common nickname that makes the point about where they actually play, a point rather relevant to this particular borough. I don't think anyone could really be confused by this, given that the caption is explicitly labelled "Yankee Stadium".--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] 04:16, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:If I weren't familiar with baseball, that caption would make me think that a team named the Bronx Bombers played in Yankee Stadium. [[User:Rhobite|Rhobite]] 04:35, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

== Delete "See Also" ==

What do people think of the "See Also" section. I'm thinking most of the links don't really add much to the Bronx article and we could just delete the whole section. --[[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] 17:04, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

== South bronx fires ==

The article claims, "the destruction of nearly half of the buildings in the South Bronx". Does anybody have a reference for this difficult to believe statement?

== 200th Street? ==

Can some one clarify what that is all about or why its important? For someone not from NYC, this is a very odd way to start a section. --[[User:67.184.239.70|67.184.239.70]] 23:16, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

== Poorest County? ==

"Though the Bronx's crime rate has plummeted in recent years, it was named as the poorest county in the United States in 2005."

This is at the start of the article. I'm almost certain it's untrue. [[User:Nach0king|Nach0king]] 19:32, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
:You are right. According to the [[United States Census Bureau]] [http://www.census.gov/housing/saipe/estmod03/est03ALL.xls data for 2003 (MS Excel format)], Bronx county is 349th out of 3141 counties in the United States in [[median household income]]. Scanning thru the lowest 100, I could not find a single urban county. I doubt that the 2005 figures have been released (2003 is the most recent on census.gov), and even if they had, I can't imagine that it could have changed that dramatically. The statement in the article needs to go. I will remove it. --[[User:Rogerd|rogerd]] 20:41, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

::Cool, thanks. I was pretty sure I'd read somewhere that it was some place in the Dakotas or Oklahoma that was poorest. I guess that was right. [[User:Nach0king|Nach0king]] 10:54, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

== ''C'est le Bronx''??? ==

''"Bronx" has become synonymous with violent or messy areas. For instance, in casual French, "c'est le Bronx" stands for "what a mess."'' According to whom? Having studied in both France & Quebec I can say that slang french expressions are typically based of regional traditions, not american city boroughs. Have never heard this phrase before. --[[User:Katwmn6|Katwmn6]] 21:53, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
:[[WP:BOLD|Go ahead]] and delete it if you feel it is wrong. I also have not heard of that expression, but then again I don't speak French, and my only excursions outside of the U.S. have been to [[Niagara Falls, Ontario]]. --[[User:Rogerd|rogerd]] 22:49, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
:::''C'est le Bronx'' is a widely used expression in French when you wanna speak about a very violent city or neighborhood. I've heard and used this expression thousand of times, and I'm a French citizen, born and raised in Paris suburbs.
--[[User:Revas|Revas]] 20:38, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

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Population density

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It's quite bizarre that the area numbers only have 2 significant figures, while the population density figures have 6. Choose to round both or neither. Kk.urban (talk) 21:59, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ogden Nash's poems

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In the section "In popular culture" -> "Literature" -> "Poetry", Ogden Nash's poetic apology to the dean of Bronx Community College is described as a "prose poem", and I can't quite figure out why.

Its presentation is standard for poetry. The last six lines rhyme, and, as is not always true for Nash, they even scan, perfectly.

I guess I could have just put "Citation needed" after the "prose poem" categorization, but I thought I would be a bit more specific about my concern. What makes this a prose poem? Does any reputable external source describe it thus? I'm not a NYT subscriber so I can't check the referenced article to see if that is the source, but the description is so odd that I would be concerned even if it were written by the chairman of the English Department of Bronx Community College. ACW (talk) 00:31, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I do (too extravagantly for my budget) subscribe to The Times on line, and this is how the reporter introduced the second poem:

Even Mr. Nash had second thoughts about the Bronx, and eventually tried to make amends. In 1964, 33 years after his original four-word poem was published, Mr. Nash wrote a letter to the dean of Bronx Community College apologizing — sort of:

—— Shakescene (talk) 03:12, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I deleted the word "prose". Btw, you can sometimes get Times refs by copying and pasting the article title (eg, "Contrite Poet Gives A Cheer for Bronx On Golden Jubilee") into Google. Station1 (talk) 06:22, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, now that I see the image of the original article and its transcript, it's clear that those first two lines are simply part of Nash's reply to the dean and not part of the poem proper (no doubt why they don't scan). I've removed them. Station1 (talk) 06:40, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Station1 and Shakescene, for fixing this and for the advice about the Times. Eventually I will get my act together and subscribe -- the traditional press deserves our support. ACW (talk) 21:53, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"The" in the name and so in the title?

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Why "The" is in the name ("The Bronx") and so in the Wikipedia title? Is not it a normal "the" article? Mezze stagioni (talk) 10:43, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]