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'''''Jacob''''' Bronck? Whoever put that there, are you sure?? I always learned his name was '''Jonas''' Bronck. -BRG
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Nobody's responded, and I've sen the name given as Joseph in another place. I've changed it to cite all these variants, and also put it into the "Bronx County" article. - BRG
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One of the ''worst reputations'' for what? [[User:DanKeshet|DanKeshet]]
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Bronx County and Bronx are now the same article, because they talk about the same place. [[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] 18:30, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)


== Population density ==
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It's quite bizarre that the area numbers only have 2 significant figures, while the population density figures have 6. Choose to round both or neither. [[User:Kk.urban|Kk.urban]] ([[User talk:Kk.urban|talk]]) 21:59, 11 September 2023 (UTC)


== Ogden Nash's poems ==
I don't agree with replacing "the Bronx" with "The Bronx." Common usage dicates that when talking about the Bronx in the middle of the sentence (like I just did in this sentence), "the" is not capitalized. This is the same as talking about the United States. I'm tempted to revert immediately, but would like some feedback first. --[[User:BaronLarf|BaronLarf]] 22:42, Jan 3, 2005 (UTC)


In the section "In popular culture" -> "Literature" -> "Poetry", Ogden Nash's poetic apology to the dean of Bronx Community College is described as a "prose poem", and I can't quite figure out why.
:My initial reaction was to agree with "The Bronx", but a few google searches changed my mind; I now agree with BaronLarf; it should be "the Bronx". All of the NY Times, the NYC Government, and the US Census bureau seem to use "the Bronx" (except, of course, at the beginning of a sentence). Try searching for '''"in the bronx" site:www.nyc.gov''', for example. --[[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] 00:45, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)


Its presentation is standard for poetry. The last six lines rhyme, and, as is not always true for Nash, they even scan, perfectly.


I guess I could have just put "Citation needed" after the "prose poem" categorization, but I thought I would be a bit more specific about my concern. What makes this a prose poem? Does any reputable external source describe it thus? I'm not a NYT subscriber so I can't check the referenced article to see if that is the source, but the description is so odd that I would be concerned even if it were written by the chairman of the English Department of Bronx Community College. [[User:ACW|ACW]] ([[User talk:ACW|talk]]) 00:31, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
== Move ==


:I do ''(too extravagantly for my budget)'' subscribe to ''The Times'' on line, and this is how the reporter introduced the second poem:
Either have this at [[The Bronx]] or [[Bronx County, New York]], not [[Bronx]]. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 11:22, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)
:<blockquote>Even Mr. Nash had second thoughts about the Bronx, and eventually tried to make amends. In 1964, 33 years after his original four-word poem was published, Mr. Nash wrote a letter to the dean of Bronx Community College apologizing — sort of:</blockquote>
:[[User:Shakescene|—— Shakescene]] ([[User talk:Shakescene|talk]]) 03:12, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
::I deleted the word "prose". Btw, you can sometimes get ''Times'' refs by copying and pasting the article title (eg, "Contrite Poet Gives A Cheer for Bronx On Golden Jubilee") into Google. [[User:Station1|Station1]] ([[User talk:Station1|talk]]) 06:22, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
::Actually, now that I see the image of the original article and its transcript, it's clear that those first two lines are simply part of Nash's reply to the dean and not part of the poem proper (no doubt why they don't scan). I've removed them. [[User:Station1|Station1]] ([[User talk:Station1|talk]]) 06:40, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
:::Thank you, Station1 and Shakescene, for fixing this and for the advice about the ''Times''. Eventually I will get my act together and subscribe -- the traditional press deserves our support. [[User:ACW|ACW]] ([[User talk:ACW|talk]]) 21:53, 27 December 2023 (UTC)


== The Bronx Bombers ==
== "The" in the name and so in the title? ==


Why "The" is in the name ("The Bronx") and so in the Wikipedia title? Is not it a normal "the" article? [[User:Mezze stagioni|Mezze stagioni]] ([[User talk:Mezze stagioni|talk]]) 10:43, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Hey Bletch, what on God's green earth is "inapropriate" about calling the Yankees the Bronx Bombers? It's a pretty common nickname that makes the point about where they actually play, a point rather relevant to this particular borough. I don't think anyone could really be confused by this, given that the caption is explicitly labelled "Yankee Stadium".--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] 04:16, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:If I weren't familiar with baseball, that caption would make me think that a team named the Bronx Bombers played in Yankee Stadium. [[User:Rhobite|Rhobite]] 04:35, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

== Delete "See Also" ==

What do people think of the "See Also" section. I'm thinking most of the links don't really add much to the Bronx article and we could just delete the whole section. --[[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] 17:04, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

== South bronx fires ==

The article claims, "the destruction of nearly half of the buildings in the South Bronx". Does anybody have a reference for this difficult to believe statement?

== 200th Street? ==

Can some one clarify what that is all about or why its important? For someone not from NYC, this is a very odd way to start a section. --[[User:67.184.239.70|67.184.239.70]] 23:16, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
:It is not important, even for someone from NYC. Can it be removed? [[User:Jd2718|Jd2718]] 04:54, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

== Poorest County? ==

"Though the Bronx's crime rate has plummeted in recent years, it was named as the poorest county in the United States in 2005."

This is at the start of the article. I'm almost certain it's untrue. [[User:Nach0king|Nach0king]] 19:32, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
:You are right. According to the [[United States Census Bureau]] [http://www.census.gov/housing/saipe/estmod03/est03ALL.xls data for 2003 (MS Excel format)], Bronx county is 349th out of 3141 counties in the United States in [[median household income]]. Scanning thru the lowest 100, I could not find a single urban county. I doubt that the 2005 figures have been released (2003 is the most recent on census.gov), and even if they had, I can't imagine that it could have changed that dramatically. The statement in the article needs to go. I will remove it. --[[User:Rogerd|rogerd]] 20:41, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

::Cool, thanks. I was pretty sure I'd read somewhere that it was some place in the Dakotas or Oklahoma that was poorest. I guess that was right. [[User:Nach0king|Nach0king]] 10:54, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

:::The Bronx is not the poorest county, but it is very very poor, especially considering the region it is in. Some reference to the high poverty rate must be included. Would: "By many measures, the Bronx appears to be the poorest urban area in the United States." work? Here are some statistics that might help:
::::The Bronx is one of five counties in the US where over 30% of households consist of families headed by single women. Three of the five are Indian reservations in South Dakota; the fourth is Holmes County, Mississippi
::::The Bronx is the only county in the northeast quarter of the US (north of the Ohio River; east of the Great Plains) where more than 40% of children live in families below poverty (43.1% according to ACS 2004).
::::It is the only county in the same area where more than 30% of the populaton lives below the poverty line.
::::Congressional District 16 (entirely in The Bronx, covering most of the South Bronx) has the highest poverty rate in the US (40.2%; the next highest rate is 32.4%).
::::Congressional District 16 also has the highest proportion of children living below poverty (50.1%; the next highest is 42.2%), and the lowest median household income.
:::The data cited above was by county, and the poorest counties have small populations. There is nothing as poor as large as the Bronx in the United States. I have a secondary source using 2000 cnesus data and 2004 American Community Survey division of the Census Bureau data. I can source back to the raw data, if necy. [[User:Jd2718|Jd2718]] 05:09, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

== ''C'est le Bronx''??? ==

''"Bronx" has become synonymous with violent or messy areas. For instance, in casual French, "c'est le Bronx" stands for "what a mess."'' According to whom? Having studied in both France & Quebec I can say that slang french expressions are typically based of regional traditions, not american city boroughs. Have never heard this phrase before. --[[User:Katwmn6|Katwmn6]] 21:53, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
:[[WP:BOLD|Go ahead]] and delete it if you feel it is wrong. I also have not heard of that expression, but then again I don't speak French, and my only excursions outside of the U.S. have been to [[Niagara Falls, Ontario]]. --[[User:Rogerd|rogerd]] 22:49, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
:::''C'est le Bronx'' is a widely used expression in French when you wanna speak about a very violent city or neighborhood. I've heard and used this expression thousand of times, and I'm a French citizen, born and raised in Paris suburbs.
--[[User:Revas|Revas]] 20:38, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

== Only borough on US mainland? ==

If Manhattan borders and is contiguos with the Bronx, surely it is part of the mainland too. What am I missing? [[User:81.98.89.195|81.98.89.195]] 02:16, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

:The borough of Manhattan borders the Bronx but almost all of their border is along the [[Harlem River]]. The neighborhood of [[Marble Hill, Manhattan|Marble Hill]], however, is on the north (Bronx) side of the river, and receives, for example, fire and postal services from Bronx-based offices for reasons of convenience, but is legally considered part of Manhattan. The reason for this is explained in that article. However, Manhattan Island (the long, skinny island on which one finds lots of skyscrapers, Central Park, etc.) is an island. The borough of Manhattan consists of Manhattan Island, plus a few smaller nearby islands and Marble Hill. [[User:Izzycat|Izzycat]] 16:11, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

==Canal==

The reason that is, because of what happened after the US Civil War, The US Army Corps of Engineers carved a shortcut canal through the northern tip of Manhattan Island called the Harlem River Shipping Canal and the gooseneck part of the river was filled in and built upon. So now the north end of Manhattan Island was cutoff and fused to the Bronx, but it is still legally in New York County and not in Bronx County, OK?

[[User:69.121.69.166|69.121.69.166]] 21:04, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

==Redlining==
The process is well-described --
:"Another factor may have been the shift by insurance companies and banks to stop offering financial services to the Bronx and other working-class industrial areas (the "Rustbelt") in favor of the booming suburbs in "the Sunbelt"— a process known as redlining."
-- but the terms' "Rustbelt" and "Sunbelt" are not, afaik, used in the context of Bronx redlining. Is there a source for them? [[User:Jd2718|Jd2718]] 03:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

==Demographics==
By using the census racial categories, the most identifiable aspect of Bronx demography is obscured: the Bronx is the second most Hispanic county on the eastern seaboard, the Bronx is the most Puerto Rican county outside of Puerto Rico itself. There are now 200,000 Dominicans living in the Bronx. The significant West Indian population is not mentioned at all. And the most prominent part of the section belongs to the bulleted list for 11% of the population with European origins. How about dumping the census racial data, and expanding the European origins list to encompass everybody (including Albanians)? [[User:Jd2718|Jd2718]] 05:33, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

==Transportation - Railroads==
Relatively minor - How many lines service the Bronx? The Hudson line runs along the Harlem and Hudson Rivers. The tracks that run through the center of the Bronx carry trains destined for both the New Haven and the Harlem lines, but in the Bronx they run as one line. Should this be changed to two lines servicing the Bronx? [[User:Jd2718|Jd2718]] 06:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

==Transportation - Highways==
The selection of three main expressways seems too limited. The Henry Hudson Parkway, the Major Deegan, the Bronx River Parkway, the Sheriden Expressway, the Cross Bronx Expressway, The New England Thruway, the Hutchinson River Parkway, and the Bruckner Expressway all run through the Bronx. Should they all go in? [[User:Jd2718|Jd2718]] 06:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
:Yes, it is probably best to cover all bases. &mdash; [[User:Larry V|Larry V]] <small>([[User talk:Larry V|talk]])</small> 06:50, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

==Transportation - Bridges==
Should any/some/all bridges be included? The [[Bronx Whitestone Bridge]] and the [[Throgs Neck Bridge]] connect the Bronx to Queens, and carry high way traffic. [[The Triborough Bridge]] connects the Bronx to Queens and Manhattan, and carries highway traffic. There are eight or nine local bridges, carrying local vehicles and pedestrians, two more less prominent highway bridges ([[Henry Hudson Bridge]] and the Alexander Hamilton Bridge, and a few railroad bridges (4?). [[User:Jd2718|Jd2718]] 06:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

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Population density

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It's quite bizarre that the area numbers only have 2 significant figures, while the population density figures have 6. Choose to round both or neither. Kk.urban (talk) 21:59, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ogden Nash's poems

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In the section "In popular culture" -> "Literature" -> "Poetry", Ogden Nash's poetic apology to the dean of Bronx Community College is described as a "prose poem", and I can't quite figure out why.

Its presentation is standard for poetry. The last six lines rhyme, and, as is not always true for Nash, they even scan, perfectly.

I guess I could have just put "Citation needed" after the "prose poem" categorization, but I thought I would be a bit more specific about my concern. What makes this a prose poem? Does any reputable external source describe it thus? I'm not a NYT subscriber so I can't check the referenced article to see if that is the source, but the description is so odd that I would be concerned even if it were written by the chairman of the English Department of Bronx Community College. ACW (talk) 00:31, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I do (too extravagantly for my budget) subscribe to The Times on line, and this is how the reporter introduced the second poem:

Even Mr. Nash had second thoughts about the Bronx, and eventually tried to make amends. In 1964, 33 years after his original four-word poem was published, Mr. Nash wrote a letter to the dean of Bronx Community College apologizing — sort of:

—— Shakescene (talk) 03:12, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I deleted the word "prose". Btw, you can sometimes get Times refs by copying and pasting the article title (eg, "Contrite Poet Gives A Cheer for Bronx On Golden Jubilee") into Google. Station1 (talk) 06:22, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, now that I see the image of the original article and its transcript, it's clear that those first two lines are simply part of Nash's reply to the dean and not part of the poem proper (no doubt why they don't scan). I've removed them. Station1 (talk) 06:40, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Station1 and Shakescene, for fixing this and for the advice about the Times. Eventually I will get my act together and subscribe -- the traditional press deserves our support. ACW (talk) 21:53, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"The" in the name and so in the title?

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Why "The" is in the name ("The Bronx") and so in the Wikipedia title? Is not it a normal "the" article? Mezze stagioni (talk) 10:43, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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