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== Why British English? ==
== Can you translate the Indonesian to English? ==


Can anyone explain why this article uses British English and not American English? The Indonesian government generally uses US English (except in correspondence with some Europe-based agencies). Was the imposition of British English in this article just the whim of an editor? Granted, most of Indonesia's neighbors use British English (Australia, PNG, Singapore and Malaysia), but Indonesia doesn't. I'd like to change this article to US English, if there are no valid objections. [[User:SiberianCat|SiberianCat]] ([[User talk:SiberianCat|talk]]) 12:26, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
[[:id:Joko_Widodo]] <- Very complete --[[User:Erik Fastman|Erik Fastman]] ([[User talk:Erik Fastman|talk]]) 08:42, 13 May 2014 (UTC)


: {{ping|SiberianCat}} there is a relevant policy at [[MOS:RETAIN]]. In a nutshell, it seems that unless Indonesia has its own variety of English, then you should not change the variety used in this article. Regards, '''[[User:Citobun|Citobun]]''' ([[User_talk:Citobun|talk]]) 12:39, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
==Military uniform==
Why is he wearing one? [[User:Brutannica|Brutannica]] ([[User talk:Brutannica|talk]]) 14:06, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
:He is not; that is a civil officer uniform. [[Special:Contributions/110.22.21.87|110.22.21.87]] ([[User talk:110.22.21.87|talk]])
:*As the IP said: standard issue for governors. See our image of [[:File:Rano Karno - 17 Agustus 2012.jpg|Rano Karno]] of Banten for comparison.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 08:58, 23 July 2014 (UTC)


:: Thanks, {{ping|Citobun}}, for your prompt response. The [[MOS:RETAIN]] policy states that when an English variety's "consistent usage has been established in an article, maintain it in the absence of consensus to the contrary". The Joko Widodo article has not evolved with consistent use of British English. There is no discussion toward any consensus to use British English. The most commonly used English-language references in this article are from Indonesian media that use US English. Those sources being ''The Jakarta Post'', ''Antara'', ''Jakarta Globe'' and ''Tempo''. It therefore seems contrary to common sense to insist on using British English in this article when there is no consistent use over time (just arbitrary edits), no consensus and Indonesia itself does not generally use British English. [[User:SiberianCat|SiberianCat]] ([[User talk:SiberianCat|talk]]) 13:09, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Even parking hops in Indonesia have a uniform with fruit and a whistle. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Suastiastu|Suastiastu]] ([[User talk:Suastiastu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Suastiastu|contribs]]) 10:18, 16 July 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


::: {{ping|SiberianCat}} I was the one who started it (my first edit was 9 Aug 2018), since I thought that [[Indonesia]] uses British English, then all Indonesia-related articles should use British English. Turned out I'm wrong when I found out that [[Surabaya]] doesn't. Since it has been only two and a half years since the change, guess it should be fine now to revert the article to US English? [[User:AdaCiccone|AdaCiccone]] ([[User talk:AdaCiccone|talk]]) 20:06, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
==Blusukan==
Would it be better if an article called "Blusukan" is made? It will briefly describe on how Jokowi visits the rural areas surprisingly. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jeffreyjahja|Jeffreyjahja]] ([[User talk:Jeffreyjahja|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jeffreyjahja|contribs]]) 14:00, 6 November 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
Is this seriously something of Presidential stature???


== Covid 19 response ==
Not the first president to visit a rural area of Indonesia on short notice - in fact they all did it and usually on short notice often for security reasons. This is an example of the page being used to promote a myth in line with Jokowi's domestic political narrative [[User:Suastiastu|Suastiastu]] ([[User talk:Suastiastu|talk]]) 14:15, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


It should be an own article. Jokowi does blusukan to see and interact with the people, not for security concerns. Suas is a biased hater.[[User:Bookracoon|Bookracoon]] ([[User talk:Bookracoon|talk]]) 02:34, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
I think we need to mention Joko Widodo's covid-19 response. It is for every world leader a major part of discussion for their legacy. [[User:SwoerMell|SwoerMell]] ([[User talk:SwoerMell|talk]]) 12:07, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
: More fitting for [[Luhut Binsar Pandjaitan]]. [[User:Geanard|Geanard]] ([[User talk:Geanard|talk]]) 07:45, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
:: Bit of both I’d say. At least mention his public statements and his appointment of Luhut. [[User:Juxlos|Juxlos]] ([[User talk:Juxlos|talk]]) 10:15, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
:::And note that Luhut is a general without an MD. [[User:Martindo|Martindo]] ([[User talk:Martindo|talk]]) 01:13, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


== Be Neutral and No trolling ==
== Joko Widodo's name ==


A note at the start of the article states that Joko Widodo has no family name or patronymic and should thus be referred to using his full name 'Joko Widodo', or 'Jokowi' for short. Yet the article consistently refers to him as 'Widodo'. I am not Indonesian, but it seems to me that this is as odd as having the article about Joe Biden consistently refer to him as 'Robinette' or something like that. The articles in Indonesian and Javanese about him call him Jokowi. Most reputable English language newspapers do so too. This article should be changed to follow that convention as well. [[User:Caoimhin ceallach|caoimhinoc]] ([[User talk:Caoimhin ceallach|talk]]) 23:04, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
This article were trolled and vandalized by an editor named [[Pineporky]] and several anonymous editors, especially in political career and medal-honour section please someone else go and fix it.


I've replaced the most mentions of his name with "Jokowi" for now. That seems most appropriate. I hereby undid SteelerFan1933's 30 March edits which among things messed up the part on Jokowi's childhood name and several titles of external references. I've noticed that the articles on other Indonesian figures are messed up in a similar way. [[User:Caoimhin ceallach|caoimhinoc]] ([[User talk:Caoimhin ceallach|talk]]) 02:05, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
[[User:Mufidkce|Mufidkce]] ([[User talk:Mufidkce|talk]]) 11:14, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


== Photograph ==
== Background ==


NY Times just published a lengthy article on the new capital (16 May 2023), which includes some background on Jokowi. Although it's a puff piece with muted criticisms of the project, it's worth citing as a reliable source in English. Indonesian-language sources (such as a Tribun article from 2012 to describe his accomplishments as mayor) are not as "accessible" to most WP editors, and some of the translations are poor, as I noted in edits a few minutes ago. [[User:Martindo|Martindo]] ([[User talk:Martindo|talk]]) 01:18, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
I think this article need a formal photo, as all Indonesian presidents' articles using a formal photo. [[User:Yoshiharu10|Yoshiharu10]] ([[User talk:Yoshiharu10|talk]]) 08:05, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
:The formal one already deleted by wikimedia, hence this current photo showed that he wear a blangkon and Beskap which is considered as "formal" to Javanese Tradition. [[User:Mufidkce|Mufidkce]] ([[User talk:Mufidkce|talk]]) 09:40, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
:Why was the formal picture deleted? (http://www.indonesia.go.id/in/presiden-dan-wakil-presiden/presiden). It is shown on the (featured!) Indonesian version of the page. Isn't it part of the public domain as an employee performing official duties of a government? (eg. Barack Obama's portrait) [[User:Shonen84|Shonen84]] ([[User talk:Shonen84|talk]]) 19:22, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
::The publication contains a copyright notice. According to Article 14 item b of the Indonesia Copyright Law No 19 the publications by the Government are not in the public domain if the publication contains a notice of copyright. --[[User:Martin H.|Martin H.]] ([[User talk:Martin H.|talk]]) 20:00, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
:::I see, understood. However, the copyright on the Indonesian government's website precedes the picture (copyright 2010, picture must be from 2014 or later). Also, if the same argument applies, why does the Indonesian wiki maintain the copyrighted image, and mentions the same Indonesian public domain law? [[User:Shonen84|Shonen84]] ([[User talk:Shonen84|talk]]) 20:34, 12 April 2015 (UTC)


== Non-neutral lede ==
== the Presidential Career section ==


The current lede is very generous to the subject and violates NPOV. Phrases like "achieved national prominence", "reinvigorated local politics", "improved the city's bureaucracy, reducing corruption in the process", "focused on economic growth", "ambitious health and education agenda", "emphasised "protecting Indonesia's sovereignty"", as well as the unusually personal origins story "born and raised in a riverside slum", "married his wife", "worked as a carpenter and a furniture exporter". Not all of this is biased, but it is when taken all together.
Like the already-existing wikipedia note says, this section needs expansion, or else I think it should be deleted. Yes Jokowi ordered the executions, but '''to write absolutely nothing else about his entire presidency is bias-by-selective-reporting'''. It's a smear on Jokowi by those who don't agree with the executions.[[User:Bookracoon|Bookracoon]] ([[User talk:Bookracoon|talk]]) 21:07, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Why is it a smear if he ordered the executions????
By all means write some other things he is famous for, but you can't simply ignore one of his major actions since becoming President....[[User:Suastiastu|Suastiastu]] ([[User talk:Suastiastu|talk]]) 14:19, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


As well as this, it makes no mention of either the [[2019 Indonesian protests and riots]] or the [[Indonesia omnibus law protests]], or of the laws which provoked them, despite being very significant laws and the largest protests in Indonesia since the emergence of democracy.
To report facts without any bias is by definition non bias reporting. His sharp increase in executions against global condemnation is a major component of his time as the president. To consistently delete it is a deliberate attempt to sanitise his brief time in office.
[[User:Fedjmike|Fedjmike]] ([[User talk:Fedjmike|talk]]) 02:33, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Reporting the executions is not tantamount to disagreeing with with them. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bakerthebulletdodger|Bakerthebulletdodger]] ([[User talk:Bakerthebulletdodger|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bakerthebulletdodger|contribs]]) 05:48, 26 June 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

You missed his point: not that reporting executions are wrong, but that's it's wrong to only report them and ignore everything else in his presidency. [[User:Bookracoon|Bookracoon]] ([[User talk:Bookracoon|talk]]) 23:20, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Isn't the appropriate response to try and find something else he has done during his presidency and include it? So far though its the thing Jokowi is most famous for - and it was completely deliberate on his part (eg getting the military fighter jets involved in a big media escort of the condemned)[[User:Suastiastu|Suastiastu]] ([[User talk:Suastiastu|talk]]) 14:19, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Suastiastu makes a valid point Bookracoon. It is becoming clear that the Wiki page is being edited to appeal to local politics and from what the global media is reporting, its not working. The Wiki page is full of political fluff with all of the hard stuff left out. He made be known locally as the "bike path building president" but globally he is known as the executioner. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bakerthebulletdodger|Bakerthebulletdodger]] ([[User talk:Bakerthebulletdodger|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bakerthebulletdodger|contribs]]) 10:01, 9 October 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2015 ==

{{edit semi-protected|Joko Widodo|answered=yes}}
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add the sub section "Subsidiary Petrol Policy" under section "President of Indonesia"
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[[User:Tensa Februari|Tensa Februari]] ([[User talk:Tensa Februari|talk]]) 04:00, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
:And what goes in that section? [[User:Stickee|Stickee]] <small>[[User talk:Stickee|(talk)]]</small> 05:47, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Unlike previous presidents, Joko Widodo take unpopular measures to reduce fuel subsidies. Although gets a reaction in the form of demonstrations at several places in Indonesia, Joko believes it does to increase funding in infrastructure, health, and education.

"Some say I would be unpopular if the increase in fuel subsidies. I said I did not seek popularity, "he said. <ref>http://www.republika.co.id/berita/nasional/politik/14/11/16/nf4ufy-berbicara-di-ktt-g20-jokowi-tegaskan-akan-naikan-harga-bbm</ref> <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Tensa Februari|Tensa Februari]] ([[User talk:Tensa Februari|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tensa Februari|contribs]]) 09:49, 7 July 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Actually the price of fuel has been rising by increments under previous Presidents - it is not a sudden miracle due to Jokowi. If there is to be something about a decision of Jokowi it is appropriate to put something about what his decisision was - not to try and puff it upo with anciliary story about why it is special or a good thing.... <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Suastiastu|Suastiastu]] ([[User talk:Suastiastu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Suastiastu|contribs]]) 10:14, 16 July 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Prove it Suas. You hate Jokowi so much you're all over this page.[[User:Bookracoon|Bookracoon]] ([[User talk:Bookracoon|talk]]) 02:37, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

I have inserted a reference to the increases in fuel prices/decreases in subsidies under President SBY. Actually what Jokowi has done is transfer the subsidy from one area of state accounting to another by arrangement with 100% state owned entity PERTAMINA having to wear the loss instead of the direct government account. That is also well reference on the page. also Bookaroon - you may want to consider being less personally aggressive in your approach and stop casting aspersions. If you have a contribution to make to the page then make it in a well-referenced and objective manner not tearing down contributions[[User:Suastiastu|Suastiastu]] ([[User talk:Suastiastu|talk]]) 02:02, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

You've referenced Aussie political commentators who call Jokowi an idiot and a coward. You are the one attacking in unobjective manners Suas. [[User:Bookracoon|Bookracoon]] ([[User talk:Bookracoon|talk]]) 02:46, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

{{Reflist-talk}}

==Jokowi's policy on drugs-related crime and capital punishment==
On contrary to [[user:Suastiastu]] edits ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Joko_Widodo&type=revision&diff=671639765&oldid=671596538 here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Joko_Widodo&type=revision&diff=671647679&oldid=671646604 here]), I think we should put the issue on perspective (which was drug-related crimes and capital punishment in Indonesia), and avoiding to reduce the article into a simple dramatic parody of itself by blaming, launching smearing campaign, and painted darkly Joko Widodo with sentences describes him as "against human life/human rights" etc.<span style="background:white;color:blue;font:arialbold;border-radius:4px"><b>&nbsp;''[[User:Gunkarta|Gunkarta]]''&nbsp;</b></span><span style="background:lightblue;color:blue;border-radius:2px">&nbsp;''[[User talk:Gunkarta|talk]]''&nbsp;</span> 02:40, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

The appropriate way to "put things in perspective" is to put objectively factual and referenced material - not delete objective referenced material which you might wish did not exist. It is objectively a major factor of Jokowi's Presidency the killing of many foreigners - you may wish to explain it (and please put up REFERENCED facts), but it is objective history. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Suastiastu|Suastiastu]] ([[User talk:Suastiastu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Suastiastu|contribs]]) 10:11, 16 July 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Ah.., at last a response, where have you been mate? Dear Suastiastu, I do not mind any well-referenced unbiased sentences, or any (perceived) negative aspects of Joko Widodo, as long as it is carefully addressed, since this is [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons]]. You also selectively erased some of positive aspects of the article, simply by stating as "political spin". Excuse me, was it your non-neutral POV that was kind of "political"? Please do not try to make the sentences/opinion as if it is wikipedia's, those are Australian columnists opinions that you're keenly quoted regarding recent Indonesia-Australia spat on Australian drug convicts execution. You seems to eagerly blame Joko Widodo on this problem, and ignoring the bigger picture, context and the background, which was the drug-related crimes in Indonesia and Indonesian position on capital punishment. Those deceased people were executed by Indonesian legal system, not Jokowi, which only refuse to grant clemency and letting the process went. And please refrain on using non-neutral "colorful" phrases such as "Joko Widodo took harsh stance '''against human right to life'''", which was (again) your POV.<span style="background:white;color:blue;font:arialbold;border-radius:4px"><b>&nbsp;''[[User:Gunkarta|Gunkarta]]''&nbsp;</b></span><span style="background:lightblue;color:blue;border-radius:2px">&nbsp;''[[User talk:Gunkarta|talk]]''&nbsp;</span> 10:57, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm not your "mate" Gunakarta whatever meaning you think that conveys. The Head of State of Indonesia (currently Jokowi) has the life or death authority on all persons executed byu virtue of the provisions of the Indonesian constitution - its base legal document. It is a clear change in Presidential policy since his election and he has made a big political thing about it domestically - but now Indonesians appear to want to distance themselves or Jokowi from it?? Germans don't like Hitler I suppose - but it wouldn't be a reason not to document the gas chambers - Anyway you seem to insist on posting your own colourful descriptions of Jokowi's political narrative. Your description of his action/inaction on this is controversial not factual. If you [[User:Suastiastu|Suastiastu]] ([[User talk:Suastiastu|talk]]) 14:11, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

I agree with your last comment Gunkarta. They quote from Australians who outspokenly hate Jokowi and tell people like me and you who want a less-biased portrayal of Jokowi's presidency to "show objective facts."[[User:Bookracoon|Bookracoon]] ([[User talk:Bookracoon|talk]]) 23:22, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Bookracoon - Which do you say are the quotes from Australians who outspokenly hate Jokowi? Who are "people like me?" Who are "They"? - I'm unashamed about wanting the page to contain objective facts not a tribal misdescription. 14:11, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[[User:Suastiastu|Suastiastu]] ([[User talk:Suastiastu|talk]])

:Now-now, let's not start personal attack then, by referring Indonesian perspective as "tribal". It is not a secret that your recent edit records dear Suastiastu, are hardly objective, since only focused on negative aspects and selectively tearing down well-referenced quotes of the positive aspect of Jokowi. I understand that recent executions row of Australian [[Myuran Sukumaran|Sukumaran]] and [[Andrew Chan|Chan]] has caused negative sentiments among Australians towards Indonesia, and I suspect somewhat you have bone to pick with Jokowi. However, spilling ugly diplomatic spat upon Wikipedia article is not a healthy practice for the sake of Wikipedia's neutrality. I think what Bookracoon means by "people like me and you" are people that do not have problems or bone to pick with Jokowi. Btw, the call "mate" was just a friendly gesture, it is up to you to consider anyone your mate or not, g'day... <span style="background:white;color:blue;font:arialbold;border-radius:4px"><b>&nbsp;''[[User:Gunkarta|Gunkarta]]''&nbsp;</b></span><span style="background:lightblue;color:blue;border-radius:2px">&nbsp;''[[User talk:Gunkarta|talk]]''&nbsp;</span> 15:53, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Gunarkarta - please do not write in a patronizing personal manner. Your assumptions are not only incorrect, they are irrelevant to a page such as this. Jokowi has in fact made a major deliberate change in Indonesian foreign policy from that of SBY (a thousand friends and no enemies) and therefore is quite relevant to the page. Its not a matter of neutrality in opinion because opinion really shouldn't enter - its a matter of neutrality and accuracy in presentation of facts. The tribalism of your comments is exemplified by trying to use "Mate" and "G'day" as if its definitive or stereotypical of a person. I'm also referring to the gangs of (yes Indonesians) who all wear red to follow Jokowi and all wear Yellow to follow the other "tribe" and then attach colours or slogans that can be chanted or repeated without substance or thought. You will be going hard to find people that don't have problems or bone to pick with Jokowi or any politician. Don't try and make an Australia_Indonesia nationalist thing about this or about the worldwide reaction to Jokowi's shooting spree and auto-da-fe. I am sure you will find a mate elsewhere, mas. [[User:Suastiastu|Suastiastu]] ([[User talk:Suastiastu|talk]]) 09:00, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

==Jokowi compared to previous Indonesian presidents==
The phrase '''"the first Indonesian president not to have emerged from the country’s political elite or an army general"''' is preserved from quoted material from The New York Times,<ref>{{cite news|title=A Child of the Slum Rises as President of Indonesia|first=Joe |last=Cochrane |date=July 22, 2014 |url=http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/23/world/asia/joko-widodo-populist-governor-is-named-winner-in-indonesian-election.html?_r=0 | newspaper=The New York Times|accessdate= 24 July 2015}}</ref> Please do not add any weird additions linked to BJ Habibie's aerospace engineer education (btw, Habibie could be categorized as country's political elite) like [[user:Suastiastu]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Joko_Widodo&type=revision&diff=672871889&oldid=672871522 did], and please learn [[Wikipedia:Quotations]], Wikipedia do not quote itself (refering to other Wikipedia article as source/reference).<span style="background:white;color:blue;font:arialbold;border-radius:4px"><b>&nbsp;''[[User:Gunkarta|Gunkarta]]''&nbsp;</b></span><span style="background:lightblue;color:blue;border-radius:2px">&nbsp;''[[User talk:Gunkarta|talk]]''&nbsp;</span> 13:41, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
{{Reflist-talk}}

Its factually incorrect/controversial and also a bit weird - - why wouldn't a president, former governor of Jakarta and Surakarta not be political elite? Hardly a nobody from nowhere. Or is your suggestion that being Governor of Jakarta is not political or elite? What does it mean? Habibie was not an army general...how was he a political elite? Former President Gus Dur was not an army general - Former President Megawati Sukarnoputri was not an army general [[User:Suastiastu|Suastiastu]] ([[User talk:Suastiastu|talk]]) 13:59, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

:Do you understand what "political elites" means? Political elite does not always equates an army general. [[Megawati]] clearly a political elite from [[Sukarno]] dynasty, benefitted from Sukarno's legacy. [[B. J. Habibie]] was actually Indonesian intellectual elite that gained scholarship in Germany, caught attention of Suharto, and unexpectedly chosen by Suharto as successor, so yes he belongs within Suharto inner circle. And don't even start with Gus Dur. He is hardly a commoner or poor, he belongs to [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] religious organization elite; his father is [[Wahid Hasyim]], the first Minister of Religious Affairs 1945-1952. His grandfather is Indonesian National hero [[Hasyim Asy'ari]]. Gus Dur's family modest lifestyles was based on their own preferences, not forced upon. Jokowi started his political career as governor of Surakarta not as political elite, but through won Pilkada popular vote (pemilihan kepala daerah or kabupaten/kota election).<span style="background:white;color:blue;font:arialbold;border-radius:4px"><b>&nbsp;''[[User:Gunkarta|Gunkarta]]''&nbsp;</b></span><span style="background:lightblue;color:blue;border-radius:2px">&nbsp;''[[User talk:Gunkarta|talk]]''&nbsp;</span> 14:52, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Gunakarta - you might want to consider your tone which is consistently personally aggressive. It is quite obvious that "Political Elite" does not equate with an army general - in most countries no-one would even think the two equated - it is only because of Indonesia's corrupt military dictatorship history that this might be assumed by Indonesians. Habibie was a technocrat an educated man but not arising from a political elite (his agriculturalist father passed away at 15). He wielded power mstly through technical respect being afforded him, not because he was part of an entrenched political elit - in fact you quite rightly point out that he held position by virtue of patronage from Suharto. The difficulty I think you are having expressing your views to an international audience is that you are using descriptions that parrot or might fit Indonesian orthodox narrative but make no sense when writing to an audience that regards "political elite" as meaning something quite different to a campaign slogan- for example Gus Dur coming from a religious organization is quite different from Megawati being a daughter of the first president. Gus Dur biography is clear that he had to make his own way and earn his own living through employment. For sure Jokowi did not start his political career as an elite, but he has certainly held high office before being President - perhaps it would be better to describe him as the most inexperienced President Indonesia has ever had. [[User:Suastiastu|Suastiastu]] ([[User talk:Suastiastu|talk]]) 08:38, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

== Early Life and Education ==

Can we please have a better source on the claims around Jokowi's business sources of capital.
The assertion that he relied on a loan from his mum to restart the business is quite at odds with sourced material that Jokowi started his own business in 1989 with a loan of Rp 15 million from his father. The business went bankrupt and in the early 1990s, he was forced to restart, this time with a fresh loan for Rp 500 million from state owned enterprise, State Gas Enterprise(Perum Gas Negara) http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2014/07/29/the-local-merit-president/
[[User:Suastiastu|Suastiastu]] ([[User talk:Suastiastu|talk]]) 08:19, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

== Infobox picture ==

[[File:Presiden Jokowi.jpg|thumb|100px|Maybe this one?]]
His current infobox picture feels a bit... weird to me. The section Photograph above has already stated that the official portrait is a no-go, but isn't there anything better on Commons? Besides, the current image has no clear license anyway. - [[User:HyperGaruda|HyperGaruda]] ([[User talk:HyperGaruda|talk]]) 19:36, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
:Added the official (but low-res) one. [[User:Muhraz|Muhraz]] ([[User talk:Muhraz|talk]]) 08:19, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
::The quality is good enough, we don't really need to see each spreckle ;) I am concerned however that this may be exactly the image described under [[#Photograph|Photograph]]... - [[User:HyperGaruda|HyperGaruda]] ([[User talk:HyperGaruda|talk]]) 15:28, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
:::It is indeed the exact image. But I have to note that Indonesia had its copyright law [http://www.bakermckenzie.com/aljakartacopyrightlawencateddec14/ updated in 2014] and the new legislation have some new sections that provided a public domain for images of President, Vice President, and several other public officials. The PD-IDGov template is, however, not updated yet and we're looking forward to do it as soon as we can get an official translation for the law. [[User:Muhraz|Muhraz]] ([[User talk:Muhraz|talk]]) 14:26, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
:::*Also, not all publications would have had notices. The pictures hanging in classrooms and offices almost certainly don't.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:01, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2015 ==

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The "Policies on Drug Crimes" section has multiple grammatical errors and should be fixed.
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== Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2015 ==

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There is a typo within the personal life section in the part that reads "however after the Bali Nine and the Lindsay Sandiford case, the he came under fire from the band" The word "the" should not be included.
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:Done, thanks for catching that. [[User:97198|97198]] ([[User talk:97198|talk]]) 05:49, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

== Honorifics in the infobox ==

Skabe24 and Tensa Februari are having a minor edit "skrimish" about the honorific-prefix parameter in the infobox. "His Excellency" has been removed and re-added every now and then, these past few weeks. I don't see any sources supporting this honorific, neither here nor at [[id:Joko Widodo]], although the [[id:Presiden Indonesia|id-wiki version of "President of Indonesia"]] mentions "Yang terhormat" as the presidential addressing style. I thought that "Yang terhormat" meant "The honourable", while "His excellency" was more like "Yang mulia"? Can anyone support the honorific "His Excellency" with reliable sources? - [[User:HyperGaruda|HyperGaruda]] ([[User talk:HyperGaruda|talk]]) 12:08, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

== Remove Javanese script ==

It's unsourced and Indonesian people have its own name written in Latin script. [[User:Hddty.|Hddty.]] ([[User talk:Hddty.|talk]]) 14:25, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
:It's the [[Javanese script|Hanacaraka]] which is an alphabet - it's just a transliteration hence ꦗꦏꦮꦶꦢꦢ (''[[:jv:Joko Widodo|Jaka Widada]]''). Since he's Javanese by birth I don't see any problems with having a Javanese name in addition. [[User:Juxlos|Juxlos]] ([[User talk:Juxlos|talk]]) 04:22, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
::{{re|Juxlos}} He is Javanese but his name ''originally'' [https://web.archive.org/web/20170629042010/https://x.detik.com/detail/investigasi/20170113/Kisah-Mulyono-Menjadi-Joko-Widodo/images/-ck8jr1.png written in Latin]. Hancaraka shouldn't written here if that isn't his original name. I'm trying to search "[https://www.google.co.id/search?q=%EA%A6%97%EA%A6%8F%EA%A6%AE%EA%A6%B6%EA%A6%A2%EA%A6%A2&oq=%EA%A6%97%EA%A6%8F%EA%A6%AE%EA%A6%B6%EA%A6%A2%EA%A6%A2&aqs=chrome..69i57.446j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 ꦗꦏꦮꦶꦢꦢ]" on Google but it only showed blog that copy-pasting text from Wikipedia. [[User:Hddty.|Hddty.]] ([[User talk:Hddty.|talk]]) 03:35, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
:::{{re|Hddty.}} That's the only transliteration possible to Javanese. Regardless, getting written Javanese for anyone born in the past 60 years or so is rather hard, yes. While at it, I've got no luck finding references for the previous presidents as well ([[Sukarno|ꦯꦸꦏꦂꦤ]], [[Suharto|ꦩꦸꦲꦩ꧀ꦩꦢ꧀ꦯꦸꦲꦂꦠ]], [[Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono|ꦯꦸꦱꦶꦭꦨꦩ꧀ꦧꦁꦪꦸꦝꦪꦤ]]). I hold that transliterations wouldn't need citations to [[WP:NOTOR#Translation and contextualizing|WP:NOTOR]] but oh well [[User:Juxlos|Juxlos]] ([[User talk:Juxlos|talk]]) 03:46, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
::::{{re|Juxlos}} I don't need the reference for the transliteration, what I need is that a reference that says that his name is originally in Javanese. I personally didn't believe that his name originally written in Javanese, so therefore the Javanese name shouldn't written here. Per [[WP:EN]]: "Names '''not originally''' in a Latin alphabet, as with Greek, Chinese or Russian, must be transliterated into characters generally intelligible to literate speakers of English." [[User:Hddty.|Hddty.]] ([[User talk:Hddty.|talk]]) 04:27, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

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== Amateur Radio Callsign ==

I open this section to discuss the president's amateur radio callsign. There has been two attempts to add that information. I removed it in both instances because there was no summary of explanation whatsoever regarding that callsign. Even the reference contains almost nothing other than saying that the president has the callsign. Before such information make it into the article, I would like to ask: "What is the significance of the callsign, especially in regards to Jokowi himself and his job as president?" [[User:AdaCiccone|AdaCiccone]] ([[User talk:AdaCiccone|talk]]) 04:15, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
:It's more of a "do sources report on it"? And I really have never seen this be mentioned anywhere in regular media. [[User:Juxlos|Juxlos]] ([[User talk:Juxlos|talk]]) 07:50, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

== “Presidency” article ==

Now that [[Criticism of Joko Widodo]] is an article, it probably would be fair if a [[Presidency of Joko Widodo]] is a thing as well. [[User:Juxlos|Juxlos]] ([[User talk:Juxlos|talk]]) 12:16, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

== Irresponsible undo ==

I objected with an [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Joko_Widodo&diff=924671667&oldid=924657897 reckless undo] removing a large edit contribution without any clear reason.

In Indonesian article, there is a section about Controversy ([https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joko_Widodo#Kontroversi Joko_Widodo#Kontroversi]) supported with [[Criticism of Joko Widodo]] why not here?

:I don’t understand why [[User:Gunkarta]] reverted my edit with ‘’BLP issue’’ without specify which Issue that [roblematic because my significant edit supported wih more than 50 reliable references. Please check which part of this edit contains BLP Issue:

:His approval rating as president was declining by a lot of unpopular decisions especially related to economic policies impacted public life directly. Policies on cutting subsidy on fuel, electricity power, gas and health security are also affecting foods, toll road, airplane tickets and other commodity prices<ref>https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/05/02/jokowi-backs-plan-end-fuel-subsidies.html</ref><ref>https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/news/20191006072937-4-104733/siap-siap-6-tarif-ini-bakal-naik-tahun-depan</ref>
<ref>https://economy.okezone.com/read/2019/03/27/320/2035634/harga-naik-nyaris-100-tiket-pesawat-paling-rugikan-konsumen</ref> that multiplying life burden of non-high income group instead of increasing public welfare. This issue was hightlighted by opposition vice-presidential candidate [[Sandiaga Uno]] during his campaign that he received many complaints from local housewifes about the price raising.<ref>https://ekonomi.bisnis.com/read/20190414/9/911553/sandi-sampaikan-keluhan-emak-emak-jokowi-sebut-tidak-bisa-jadi-patokan-kebijakan-makro</ref>

:Because of tens unfulfilled campaign promises that are noted by public, such as ending ''bagi-bagi kursi'' (political [[nepotism]]) policy, ''Swasembada pangan'' (Food self-sufficiency),<ref>https://www.merdeka.com/politik/5-janji-jokowi-perbaiki-ekonomi-indonesia-jika-jadi-presiden.html</ref> and improving economic growth<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.thejakartapost.com/academia/2016/06/21/why-jokowi-kalla-cannot-meet-debt-promise.html |title=Why Jokowi Kalla Cannot Meet Debt Promise |last=|first=|date= |website=The Jakarta Post |access-date=2019-10-09}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.beritaterkinionline.com/2018/04/jangan-lupa-inilah-66-janji-jokowi-4.html |title=Jangan Lupa Inilah 66 Janji Jokowi |last=|first=|date= |website= |access-date=2019-10-09}}</ref> the president was scorned by the opposition as hypocrite.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://news.detik.com/berita-jawa-tengah/d-4033631/catat-100-janji-jokowi-tak-ditepati-fadli-zon-ciri-ciri-munafik |title=Catat 100 Janji Jokowi Tak Ditepati, Fadli Zon Ciri-Ciri Munafik |last=|first=|date= |website=Detikcom |access-date=2019-10-09}}</ref> Before his inauguration in October 2019, he said young figures with age 20-25 years old would be chosen to fill ministrial post and it would be a lot of 30-40 years old figures in his Cabinet, but the statement is unfulfilled, as his plan to reduce bureaucracy when there are 12 deputy ministers appointed to his cabinet.<ref>https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/news/20191024182803-4-109931/terungkap-alasan-jokowi-tak-pilih-menteri-umur-20an-tahun</ref><ref>https://www.tribunnews.com/nasional/2019/10/26/janji-memangkas-birokrasi-jokowi-justru-lantik-12-wakil-menteri-kabinet-dinilai-terlalu-gemuk</ref>

:Several anti-Jokowi movements went viral amid the public especially in social media such as term "Presiden Jokowi Makin Mendunia" in April 2015 when a newspaper cover showed title "Joko:I don't read what I sign".<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.bbc.com/indonesia/majalah/2015/04/150408_trensosial_jokowi_artikel |title=Tren sosial Jokowi |last=|first=|date= |website=BBC |access-date=2019-10-09}}</ref> also the hashtags #ShameOnYouJokowi,<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.merdeka.com/peristiwa/budi-gunawan-jadi-tersangka-shameonyoujokowi-ramaikan-media-sosial.html |title=Budi Gunawan Jadi Tersangka, ShameOnYouJokowi Ramaikan Media Sosial |last=|first=|date= |website=Merdeka |access-date=2019-10-09}}</ref> #2019GantiPresiden,<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2018/05/01/why-an-anti-jokowi-hashtag-could-be-his-strongest-foe-so-far.html |title=Why An Anti-Jokowi Hashtag Could Be His Strongest Foe So Far |last=|first=|date= |website=The Jakarta Post |access-date=2019-10-09}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2018/04/12/2019changepresident-heats-up-jokowi-prabowo-race.html |title=2019ChangePresident Heats Up Jokowi-Prabowo Race |last=|first=|date= |website=The Jakarta Post |access-date=2019-10-09}}</ref> #UninstallJokowi which have become a top worlwide Twitter trending topic.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.viva.co.id/digital/digilife/1121494-heboh-uninstalljokowi-puncaki-trending-dunia |title=Heboh UninstallJokowi Puncaki Trending Dunia |last=|first=|date= |website=VIVA |access-date=2019-10-09}}</ref> The term Cebong-Kampret also became popular in social media.<ref>https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2019/03/30/what-is-cebong-kampret-indonesian-politics-jokowi-prabowo-election.html</ref>

:As a governor, Widodo had been reported to Komnas HAM (Indonesian Human Rights Board) for human rights abuse for the violent eviction.<ref>https://www.merdeka.com/foto/jakarta/239689/20130827191852-alami-kekerasan-warga-waduk-pluit-laporkan-jokowi-ke-komnas-ham-001-isn.html</ref> There are also other incidents which are criticized as human right violations during his regime.<ref>https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/asa21/0577/2019/en/</ref><ref>https://nasional.kompas.com/read/2019/08/26/15372721/komnas-ham-pemblokiran-internet-di-papua-melanggar-ham</ref>

:Based on various controversial policies, such as foreign citizen on minister appointment, Constitution violation charge and other law breaches during the presidential administration, a number politicians and senior analysts expressed that he could have been impeached by law.<ref>https://www.jpnn.com/news/yusril-presiden-sudah-bisa-kena-impeachment</ref><ref>https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/01/28/pdi-p-lawmaker-slams-jokowi-s-policies.html</ref><ref>http://www.rmollampung.com/read/2018/11/05/6639/Beri-Keterangan-Palsu,-Jokowi-Bisa-Dipidana-Dan-Dimakzulkan-</ref><ref>https://www.suara.com/bisnis/2016/08/24/100802/jika-defisit-apbn-lebih-dari-3-persen-pdb-jokowi-bisa-lengser</ref><ref>https://www.republika.co.id/berita/en/national-politics/18/06/19/pak4li414-iriawans-appointment-violates-laws-lawmaker</ref><ref>https://www.tribunnews.com/nasional/2015/03/31/kwik-kian-gie-presiden-jokowi-langgar-konstitusi</ref>

:In his administrations as Mayor and Governor, he had unsound achievements for financial management from the annual BPK (Indonesian Audit Body) reports<ref>https://nasional.sindonews.com/read/881021/13/jokowi-diduga-biarkan-dana-apbd-solo-bocor-1404811290</ref><ref>https://www.merdeka.com/peristiwa/mantan-sekda-sebut-jokowi-banyak-kegagalan-saat-pimpin-solo.html [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EFQFtnwrsM video]</ref><ref>https://nasional.republika.co.id/berita/n7gna1/peringkat-dki-jakarta-dari-bpk-menurun</ref><ref>https://www.merdeka.com/uang/dapat-predikat-wdp-bukti-kinerja-keuangan-pemerintah-jokowi-buruk.html</ref> and had been reported several times to Local Courts, KPK and Supreme Court [[Allegations on corruption scandals involving Joko Widodo|related to various corruption charges]],<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20140518052929/http://www.lampungonline.com/2014/03/kebusukan-korupsi-jokowi-terbongkar.html http://www.lampungonline.com/2014/03/kebusukan-korupsi-jokowi-terbongkar.html]</ref><ref>https://www.kompasiana.com/muhammadnurulhuda/54f6ce46a3331183558b48e8/tanggapan-tulisan-made-supriatma-di-merdekacom</ref> such as BPMKS scandal involving data manipulation in educational budget and Transjakarta scandal with problematic bus procurement, but none of the charges is proceeded into trial while there are witnesses to support the criminal charges against him.

:A controversial policy on food imports while in 2014 campaign election he had declared to stop food import decision to support the Indonesian farmers who should be honored.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://nasional.kompas.com/read/2014/07/02/2151345/Jokowi.Petani.Harus.Dimuliakan.Stop.Impor. |title=Jokowi Petani Harus Dimuliakan Stop Impor |last=|first=|date= |website=Kompas |access-date=2019-10-09}}</ref> however millions tons food supply were imported, even in harvesting seasons which disappointing the local farmers,<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.merdeka.com/uang/iluni-ui-sesalkan-impor-beras-500000-ton-dilakukan-jelang-musim-panen.html |title=Iluni UI Sesalkan Impor Beras 500000 Ton Dilakukan Jelang Musim Panen |last=|first=|date= |website=Merdeka |access-date=2019-10-09}}</ref> and reported by BPK audit that there are mismanagement on these import policies.<ref>[https://www.cnnindonesia.com/ekonomi/20180404160843-92-288238/bpk-beberkan-salah-urus-impor-pangan-era-jokowi bpk: Beberkan salah urus impor pangan era jokowi]</ref> After the corruption scandal of garlic import was uncovered including politician figures, this controversial imports policy raised accusations about the existence of "food import [[mafia]]"<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/news/20190815193231-4-92358/impor-bawang-putih-berujung-ke-kpk-buwas-bukti-ada-mafia |title=Impor Bawang Putih Berujung Ke KPK, Buwas: Bukti Ada Mafia |last=|first=|date= |website=CNBC Indonesia |access-date=2019-10-09}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.merdeka.com/uang/mentan-amran-mafia-pangan-sangat-banyak-dari-beras-sampai-pupuk-palsu.html |title=Mentan Amran: Mafia pangan Sangat Banyak Dari Beras Sampai Pupuk Palsu.html |last=|first=|date= |website=Merdeka |access-date=2019-10-09}}</ref> and in September 2019, following the import scandal, he made an immediate approval of KPK bill that is responded negatively by the public because this decision broke his own promise in ''Nawacita'' programs to root out the corruption.<ref>https://tirto.id/icw-jokowi-ingkari-nawa-cita-karena-sepakat-revisi-uu-kpk-ehXq</ref>

:Based on several studies were conducted by the scholars to examine the progress of democracy in Widodo era, they concluded on their results that the Indonesian democracy in recent years is declining, even reached the worst level in [[Post-Suharto era|Reform]] era.<ref>[https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2019/09/21/indonesian-democracy-at-its-lowest-point-in-almost-20-years-scholars.html indonesian democracy at its lowest point in almost 20 years scholars]</ref><ref>[https://theconversation.com/kemunduran-demokrasi-dalam-pemerintahan-jokowi-nyalakan-tanda-bahaya-124100 kemunduran demokrasi dalam pemerintahan jokowi nyalakan tanda bahaya]</ref><ref>[https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00074918.2018.1549918 Jokowi’s Authoritarian Turn and Indonesia’s Democratic Decline] Thomas P. Power, Australian National University</ref>

===Anti-Islam accusations===
:Anti-Islam charges are often addressed to the president from various cases, including the controversial sudden Islamic group ban and unresolved cases of persecutions against Islamic preachers.<ref>https://aceh.tribunnews.com/2018/09/03/ustaz-abdul-somad-batalkan-jadwal-ceramah-di-pulau-jawa-mengaku-dapat-ancaman-dan-intimidasi</ref><ref>https://nasional.tempo.co/read/873425/pusako-bubarkan-hti-pemerintah-inkonstitusional</ref><ref>https://www.tribunnews.com/nasional/2018/09/13/pengalaman-ustaz-felix-siauw-jadi-korban-persekusi-saat-berdakwah-di-bangil-pasuruan</ref>

:Term "radicalism", that has been blown up on the media, is linked with religion by several tendentious reports during his presidential administration, that a lot of mosques to Islamic preachers were affected with radical thoughts,<ref>
https://news.detik.com/berita/d-4306260/bin-41-masjid-di-kementerian-lembaga-bumn-terpapar-paham-radikal</ref><ref>https://nasional.kompas.com/read/2018/06/07/07542731/bin-ada-tempat-ibadah-pesantren-dan-rumah-singgah-terpapar-radikalisme</ref><ref>https://www.jawapos.com/nasional/hankam/20/11/2018/selain-41-masjid-bin-pastikan-ada-50-ustad-terpapar-radikalisme/</ref><ref>https://wartakota.tribunnews.com/2018/11/29/ustadz-tengku-zulkarnain-sebut-ada-kader-pdip-dibalik-isu-41-masjid-radikal?page=3.</ref> while no other religion in Indonesia linked with the radicalism, except [[Islam]]. In October 2019, the suspicious about effort to connect radicalism with religious issues has been raising in public when he appointed new Religious Affair minister with main task to tackle radicalism and intolerance.<ref>https://www.merdeka.com/peristiwa/dipilih-jokowi-jadi-menteri-agama-fachrul-razi-diminta-urus-radikalisme.html</ref><ref>https://www.liputan6.com/news/read/4094646/jokowi-ingin-menag-konkret-atasi-radikalisme-dan-intoleransi</ref> Later, he suggested that term "radicalism" is replaced by term "''manipulator agama''" (manipulator of religion).<ref>https://nasional.sindonews.com/read/1454323/15/jokowi-sebut-radikalisme-sebagai-manipulator-agama-1572527198</ref> Former House of Representative Deputy Speaker [[Fahri Hamzah]] accused that the president is surrounded by Anti-Islam circle,<ref>[https://www.viva.co.id/berita/politik/1056831-fahri-penguasa-sekarang-miliki-lingkaran-anti-islam fahri penguasa sekarang miliki lingkaran anti islam]</ref> and blamed his position as sins when letting Anti-Islam sentiment and [[Islamophobia]] through "Ideology conflicts."<ref>[https://www.cnnindonesia.com/nasional/20180723171304-32-316365/fahri-kicaukan-dosa-dosa-jokowi-soal-ideologi-dan-persatuan fahri kicaukan dosa dosa jokowi soal ideologi dan persatuan]</ref> The narration of radicalism itself is viewed as an issue diversion from serious economic problem,.<ref>http://www.dpr.go.id/berita/detail/id/26260/t/Legislator+Minta+Radikalisme+Tak+Dijadikan+Pengalihan+Isu</ref><ref>https://today.line.me/id/pc/article/DIALOG+Melawan+Ancaman+Radikalisme+Rizal+Ramli+Isu+Itu+Tutupi+Ekonomi+Buruk-qJGn79</ref><ref>https://metropekanbaru.com/tokoh-papua-momok-negara-bukan-radikalisme-tapi-hancurnya-ekonomi/</ref> while [[Indonesian Ulema Council|MUI]] official [[Din Syamsudin]] and other Islamic scholar claimed that massive deradicalization propaganda in Indonesia is a part of the [[War On Terror|Intelligence operation project]] related to "[[Islamophobia]] propaganda" that is funded by the [[Western world|West]] to undermine Islamism from within.<ref>https://www.suara.com/news/2019/10/13/005000/din-syamsuddin-ada-gejala-kecenderungan-ingin-gunakan-isu-radikalisme</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bahgFh1tNX8</ref><ref>The Politics of Retaliation: the Backlash of Radical Islamists to the Deradicalization Project in Indonesia https://doi.org/10.14421/ajis.2013.511.129-158</ref>''

:Please provide strong reason before dismiss the significant contribution, that everyone might have controversy stories you cannot deny including Joko Widodo [[User:Qzxv5|Qzxv5]] ([[User talk:Qzxv5|talk]]) 09:09, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

: As well as the problems with [[WP:UNDUE]], the addition of this huge section is also a clear breach of [[WP:SYNTH]]. Where are the sources explicitly supporting the editor's conclusion that Jokowi is controversial? He is certainly not universally popular, but no politicians are. That isn't a controversy: it's politics. There are, of course, clear references supporting the contention that Jokowi is a politician. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml"> [[User:Davidelit|Davidelit ]][[User talk:Davidelit|(Talk)]] </span> 09:50, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

== response from uninvolved editor ==
All the signs are that adding material like this to an existing article is [[WP:UNDUE]] - it would rest much more appropriately in a separate article that addresses the 'controversy' relative to a person. Understanding [[WP:BLP]] and [[WP:ABOUT]] and [[WP:NOT]] clearly also helps.
Existing articles being added to with material like this makes the article a problem for any editor putting it up as it is specifically in the area of [[WP:SOAPBOX]] material, where the creation of such an article that is offering in the content is a view that is [[WP:POV]] and unencyclopediac. A better handle on how other politicians are covered in the Indonesian section would also help. Also more english language sources would also help. But I would not support its addition to the existing article. [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 09:40, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

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Why British English?

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Can anyone explain why this article uses British English and not American English? The Indonesian government generally uses US English (except in correspondence with some Europe-based agencies). Was the imposition of British English in this article just the whim of an editor? Granted, most of Indonesia's neighbors use British English (Australia, PNG, Singapore and Malaysia), but Indonesia doesn't. I'd like to change this article to US English, if there are no valid objections. SiberianCat (talk) 12:26, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@SiberianCat: there is a relevant policy at MOS:RETAIN. In a nutshell, it seems that unless Indonesia has its own variety of English, then you should not change the variety used in this article. Regards, Citobun (talk) 12:39, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, @Citobun:, for your prompt response. The MOS:RETAIN policy states that when an English variety's "consistent usage has been established in an article, maintain it in the absence of consensus to the contrary". The Joko Widodo article has not evolved with consistent use of British English. There is no discussion toward any consensus to use British English. The most commonly used English-language references in this article are from Indonesian media that use US English. Those sources being The Jakarta Post, Antara, Jakarta Globe and Tempo. It therefore seems contrary to common sense to insist on using British English in this article when there is no consistent use over time (just arbitrary edits), no consensus and Indonesia itself does not generally use British English. SiberianCat (talk) 13:09, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@SiberianCat: I was the one who started it (my first edit was 9 Aug 2018), since I thought that Indonesia uses British English, then all Indonesia-related articles should use British English. Turned out I'm wrong when I found out that Surabaya doesn't. Since it has been only two and a half years since the change, guess it should be fine now to revert the article to US English? AdaCiccone (talk) 20:06, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Covid 19 response

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I think we need to mention Joko Widodo's covid-19 response. It is for every world leader a major part of discussion for their legacy. SwoerMell (talk) 12:07, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More fitting for Luhut Binsar Pandjaitan. Geanard (talk) 07:45, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Bit of both I’d say. At least mention his public statements and his appointment of Luhut. Juxlos (talk) 10:15, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
And note that Luhut is a general without an MD. Martindo (talk) 01:13, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Joko Widodo's name

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A note at the start of the article states that Joko Widodo has no family name or patronymic and should thus be referred to using his full name 'Joko Widodo', or 'Jokowi' for short. Yet the article consistently refers to him as 'Widodo'. I am not Indonesian, but it seems to me that this is as odd as having the article about Joe Biden consistently refer to him as 'Robinette' or something like that. The articles in Indonesian and Javanese about him call him Jokowi. Most reputable English language newspapers do so too. This article should be changed to follow that convention as well. caoimhinoc (talk) 23:04, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've replaced the most mentions of his name with "Jokowi" for now. That seems most appropriate. I hereby undid SteelerFan1933's 30 March edits which among things messed up the part on Jokowi's childhood name and several titles of external references. I've noticed that the articles on other Indonesian figures are messed up in a similar way. caoimhinoc (talk) 02:05, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Background

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NY Times just published a lengthy article on the new capital (16 May 2023), which includes some background on Jokowi. Although it's a puff piece with muted criticisms of the project, it's worth citing as a reliable source in English. Indonesian-language sources (such as a Tribun article from 2012 to describe his accomplishments as mayor) are not as "accessible" to most WP editors, and some of the translations are poor, as I noted in edits a few minutes ago. Martindo (talk) 01:18, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Non-neutral lede

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The current lede is very generous to the subject and violates NPOV. Phrases like "achieved national prominence", "reinvigorated local politics", "improved the city's bureaucracy, reducing corruption in the process", "focused on economic growth", "ambitious health and education agenda", "emphasised "protecting Indonesia's sovereignty"", as well as the unusually personal origins story "born and raised in a riverside slum", "married his wife", "worked as a carpenter and a furniture exporter". Not all of this is biased, but it is when taken all together.

As well as this, it makes no mention of either the 2019 Indonesian protests and riots or the Indonesia omnibus law protests, or of the laws which provoked them, despite being very significant laws and the largest protests in Indonesia since the emergence of democracy. Fedjmike (talk) 02:33, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]