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== Sources == |
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It is good to see someone went through the effort to format the sources. It does come across a little knee-jerk in response to the AfD as is. We still need to consider quality so consider removing it if anything looks overly bloggish and lets move them into inline cites instead of that list.[[User:Cptnono|Cptnono]] ([[User talk:Cptnono|talk]]) 11:03, 6 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:It looks like Bostonist is part of Gothamist which isn't a no no on the RS noticeboard but it looks to be user contributed. Isn't needed for now but the refs are here in case they need to be checked or reincluded: |
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*http://bostonist.com/2009/10/01/today_in_randazzas_zings_glenn_beck.php |
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*http://bostonist.com/2009/09/30/satirical_glenn_beck_website_based.php |
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[[User:Cptnono|Cptnono]] ([[User talk:Cptnono|talk]]) 12:59, 6 October 2009 (UTC) |
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===Google bomb=== |
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Please insert it if anyone finds a source for this. Also,info on Youtube and additional methods of propagation could be of use.[[User:Cptnono|Cptnono]] ([[User talk:Cptnono|talk]]) 12:51, 6 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:Does this work for a source? [http://www.google-bombs.com/?p=367 http://www.google-bombs.com/?p=367 Glenn Beck Being Google Bombed!] --[[Special:Contributions/70.181.237.167|70.181.237.167]] ([[User talk:70.181.237.167|talk]]) 09:42, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::Not really, no. '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 10:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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|dykentry=... that in his response brief in '''''[[Beck v. Eiland-Hall]]''''', attorney '''[[Marc Randazza]]''' cited the [[Supreme Court of the United States|U.S. Supreme Court]] case ''[[Hustler Magazine v. Falwell]]''? |
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I would be happy to contribute the music video I made- [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gINwqd2iV8g Glenn Beck (No Alibi)] under a CC license to the Commons if appropriate --[[User:Gwsuperfan|Gwsuperfan]] ([[User talk:Gwsuperfan|talk]]) 10:01, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:Gwsuperfan|Gwsuperfan]] - though the song itself at [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gINwqd2iV8g Glenn Beck (No Alibi)] may be your own original content, the video and images used are not. Thus the video portion of the music video could not be licensed by you under a free use license. '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 10:46, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::@[[User:Cirt|Cirt]] - I can get the audio only. [[User:Gwsuperfan|Gwsuperfan]] ([[User talk:Gwsuperfan|talk]]) 11:18, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:::That doesn't meet the policies and guidelines in a few ways (I'll go with "Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article." per [[WP:ELNO]]) Funny stuff, though.[[User:Cptnono|Cptnono]] ([[User talk:Cptnono|talk]]) 11:36, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== Lawyer interviewed == |
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*{{cite news | last =Brayton | first =Ed | title =Interview with Marc Randazza | work =Declaring Independence | publisher =[[WPRR]] | date =October 8, 2009 |location=[[Grand Rapids, Michigan]]}} |
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The lawyer for Eiland-Hall, Marc Randazza, was interviewed by Ed Brayton on the program ''Declaring Independence'', on [[WPRR]], See some additional info at [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABuTpPSK_NA], [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hGqg360NF4], [http://gwsuperfan.blogspot.com/2009/10/randazza-on-radio.html] and [http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/10/radio_show_preview_10-8-09.php]. '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 05:29, 10 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:Nice find. Do you know off the top of your head if there is a transcript floating around?[[User:Cptnono|Cptnono]] ([[User talk:Cptnono|talk]]) 05:44, 10 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::I do not know. In the interview, Randazza discusses the [[Supreme Court of the United States]] case, ''[[Hustler Magazine v. Falwell]]''. '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 05:46, 10 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::: A friend of mine has transcribed it. Would that be helpful? I need to clean it up a little, which was planning on doing today... then uploading it, perhaps to gb1990.net where I have the legal docs posted - but maybe in gb1990.net/interviews or something... I'll edit this when I get it uploaded... [[User:Isaac.Eiland-Hall|Isaac.Eiland-Hall]] ([[User talk:Isaac.Eiland-Hall|talk]]) 15:28, 11 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::::That would be a fantastic primary source! Thank you, Isaac.[[User:Justmeherenow|'''''↜ (‘<span style="font-family:Mistral">''J'''us'''t </span><span style="font-family:Mistral;font-size:x-small"> M<u> E </u></span>’<span style="font-family:Mistral">h'''''er''e ''',''' now</span>''''')''']] 16:12, 11 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::Got it here: http://gb1990.net/radio/20091008-MarcRandazzaInterview.txt - Full disclosure: It was a friend of mine who transcribed it, although the interview itself is in that same directory on the server, so anyone can listen for themselves :) And I'm glad to be able to help. This is really awesome to see this article here. :) [[User:Isaac.Eiland-Hall|Isaac.Eiland-Hall]] ([[User talk:Isaac.Eiland-Hall|talk]]) 23:23, 11 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::::I ask because I want to use the cite episode template. A link is not required but it would make verification easier for people. Unfortunately, we can not link to copyright violations which I think is the case for the video/audio presented above.[[User:Cptnono|Cptnono]] ([[User talk:Cptnono|talk]]) 23:37, 11 October 2009 (UTC) |
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* Isaac, I don't know what its copyright might be but still I went and parked a copy of your transcipt here: [[Talk:Beck v. Eiland-Hall/Marc Randazza - interview]] -- for the time being.[[User:Justmeherenow|'''''↜ (‘<span style="font-family:Mistral">''J'''us'''t </span><span style="font-family:Mistral;font-size:x-small"> M<u> E </u></span>’<span style="font-family:Mistral">h'''''er''e ''',''' now</span>''''')''']] 04:11, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:Not an appropriate usage, IMO, as the copyright is likely that of [[WPRR]]. '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 04:18, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::Yeah, Cirt, probably not. |
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::Hey, Isaac, do you think that WPRR's Ed Brayton has got the wherewithall to grant it a Creative Commons 2.0 license so I could post it on Wikisource?[[User:Justmeherenow|'''''↜ (‘<span style="font-family:Mistral">''J'''us'''t </span><span style="font-family:Mistral;font-size:x-small"> M<u> E </u></span>’<span style="font-family:Mistral">h'''''er''e ''',''' now</span>''''')''']] 04:29, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I'm on it. '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 04:36, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::See [[commons:File:2009 10 08 Marc Randazza interview.ogg|Audio]], and [[s:2009-10-08 Interview of Marc Randazza by Ed Brayton|Text]]. :) '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 15:11, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== Randazza's website "The Legal Satyricon" == |
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Some info here [http://randazza.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/glenn-becks-wipo-complaint/]. '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 06:36, 10 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== Links and possible sources to go through == |
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#{{cite news | last =Brayton | first =Ed | title =Interview with Marc Randazza | work =Declaring Independence | publisher =[[WPRR]] | date =October 8, 2009 |location=[[Grand Rapids, Michigan]]}} |
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#{{cite web | title =Glenn Beck Seeks to Take Down Parody Website Using 'Unpatriotic' International Law | work =ChattahBox | publisher =chattahbox.com | date =October 8, 2009 | url =http://chattahbox.com/entertainment/2009/10/08/glenn-beck-seeks-to-take-down-parody-website-using-unpatriotic-international-law/ | accessdate = 2009-10-09}} |
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# {{cite web | last =Brayton | first =Ed | title =Radio Show Preview 10-8-09 | work =ScienceBlogs | publisher =Seed Media Group | date =October 8, 2009 | url =http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/10/radio_show_preview_10-8-09.php | accessdate = 2009-10-09}} |
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#{{cite news | last =Schmelzer | first =Paul | title =Glenn Beck appeals to international body to shut down satirical site | work =[[Minnesota Independent]] | date = |
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October 7, 2009 | url =http://minnesotaindependent.com/46546/glenn-beck-keith-ellison-rape-murder-site | accessdate = 2009-10-08 }} |
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# {{cite web | last =Brayton | first =Ed | title =Brilliant Response to Beck Case | work =ScienceBlogs | publisher =Seed Media Group | date =October 6, 2009 | url =http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/10/brilliant_response_to_beck_cas.php | accessdate = 2009-10-06}} |
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#{{cite web | title =Beck DESTROYED after efforts to get rid of site parodying him. | work =[[Daily Kos]] | publisher =Kos Media, LLC | date =October 6, 2009 | url =http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/6/790181/-Beck-DESTROYED-after-efforts-to-get-rid-of-site-parodying-him. | accessdate = 2009-10-06}} |
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# {{cite web | last =Brayton | first =Ed | title =Beck Tries to Kill Parody Website | work =ScienceBlogs | publisher =Seed Media Group | date =October 5, 2009 | url =http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/10/beck_tries_to_kill_parody_webs.php | accessdate = 2009-10-06}} |
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#{{cite web | last =Schmidt | first =Steffen | title =Media Meme’s and Glenn Beck – Truth or Lies? | work =[[Des Moines Register]] | publisher =The Des Moines Register | date =October 5, 2009 | url =http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2009/10/05/media-memes-and-glenn-beck-truth-or-lies/ | accessdate =2009-10-06 }} |
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#{{cite web | last =Sawyer | first =Rick | title =Today in Randazza's Zings: Glenn Beck, Why Do You Hate America? | work =[[Bostonist]] | publisher =[[Gothamist]] | date =October 1, 2009 | url =http://bostonist.com/2009/10/01/today_in_randazzas_zings_glenn_beck.php | accessdate = 2009-10-06 }} |
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#{{cite web | last =Sawyer | first =Rick | title =Gloucester Lawyer Defends Satirical Glenn Beck Website | work =[[Bostonist]] | publisher =[[Gothamist]] | date = |
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September 30, 2009 | url =http://bostonist.com/2009/09/30/satirical_glenn_beck_website_based.php | accessdate = 2009-10-06 }} |
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#{{cite web | title =Traffic details from Alexa | work =[[Alexa Internet]] | publisher =Alexa Internet, Inc. | date =2009 | url =http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com | accessdate = 2009-10-06 }} |
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#{{cite news | first=Jessica | last=Hesslam | title=Bay State lawyer takes on FOX yakker | date=2009-10-02 | publisher=[[Boston Herald]] | url =http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1201618&srvc=home&position=emailed | accessdate = 2009-10-03 }} |
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#{{cite news| first=Wendy | last=Davis |url=http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=114601|title=Glenn Beck Urges Parody Site Be Shut Down| publisher=MediaPost|date=2009-09-30|accessdate = 2009-10-04}} |
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#{{cite news| first=Nate | last=Anderson |url=http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/09/can-a-mere-domain-name-be-defamation-glenn-beck-says-yes.ars|title=Can a mere domain name be defamation? Glenn Beck says yes| publisher=[[Ars Technica]]|date=2009-09-09|accessdate = 2009-10-04}} |
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#{{cite news| first=Robert | last=Quigley |url=http://www.mediaite.com/online/anti-beck-backlash-hits-nauseating-extreme-with-murder-and-rape-meme/ |title=Anti-Beck Backlash Hits Nauseating Extreme with “Murder and Rape” Meme (UPDATED THRICE)| publisher=[[Mediaite]]|date=2009-09-03|accessdate = 2009-10-04}} |
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#{{cite news| author=Citizen Media Law Project staff |url=http://www.citmedialaw.org/threats/beck-v-eiland-hall|title=Beck v. Eiland-Hall|author=Citizen Media Law Project staff| publisher=[[Citizen Media Law Project]]|date=2009|accessdate=2009-10-29}} |
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#{{cite news| first=John | last=Cook |url=http://gawker.com/5355901/glenn-beck-pr-genius-spreads-the-false-rumor-he-raped-and-murdered-a-young-girl-in-1990|title=Glenn Beck, PR Genius, Spreads the False Rumor He Raped and Murdered a Young Girl in 1990| publisher=[[Gawker]]|date=2009-09-09|accessdate = 2009-10-04}} |
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#{{cite news| author=Citizen Media Law Project staff |url=http://www.citmedialaw.org/blog/2009/will-glenn-beck-sue-defamatory-website-2009|title=Will Glenn Beck Sue a Defamatory Website in 2009?| publisher=[[Citizen Media Law Project]]|date=2009-09-11|accessdate = 2009-10-04}} |
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#{{cite news| first=Eriq | last=Gardner ||url=http://www.adweek.com/aw/content_display/news/agency/e3i49ed8b00bbe771aa3d0035e57251257f|title=Glenn Beck Satire Site Fights Back| publisher=[[Adweek]]|date=2009-09-29|accessdate = 2009-10-04}} |
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#{{cite news| first=Andy | last=Carvin |url=http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2009/10/when_internet_memes_go_to_cour.html|title=Glenn Beck Internet Meme Gets Ugly| publisher=[[National Public Radio]]|date=2009-10-02 |accessdate = 2009-10-04}} |
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#{{cite news| first=Andrew | last=Allemann |url=http://domainnamewire.com/2009/10/01/hot-off-press-domain-owner-responds-to-glenn-beck/|title=Hot off Press: Domain Owner Responds to Glenn Beck |publisher=Domain Name Wire|date=2009-10-01|accessdate = 2009-10-04}} |
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#{{cite news| first=Jack | last=Bremer |url=http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/53410,news,fox-news-star-glenn-beck-fights-rape-and-murder-website|title=Fox’s Glenn Beck fights ‘rape and murder’ website| publisher=[[The First Post]]|date=2009-09-11|accessdate = 2009-10-04}} |
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#{{cite news| first=Nate | last=Anderson |url=http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/09/memes-strike-back-gerbils-gay-blood-elves-and-glenn-beck.ars|title=Memes strike back: Gerbils, gay blood elves, and Glenn Beck| publisher=[[Ars Technica]]|date=2009-09-30|accessdate = 2009-10-04}} |
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#{{cite news| first=Jeffrey | last=Weiss |url=http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/09/17/the-glenn-beck-as-murderer-meme-vaccine-or-infection#|title=The 'Glenn Beck as Murderer' Meme: Vaccine or Infection?|author=Jeffrey Weiss| publisher=[[Politics Daily]]|date=2009-09-17|accessdate = 2009-10-04}} |
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#{{cite news| first=Michael | last=Masnick |url=http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090908/0321546127.shtml|title=Glenn Beck Didn't Rape And Murder Anyone... But He Doesn't Want Websites Discussing It| publisher=[[Techdirt]]|date=2009-09-08|accessdate = 2009-10-04}} |
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#{{cite news|url=http://foxnewsboycott.com/glenn-beck/glenn-beck-introduced-to-the-streisand-effect/|title=Glenn Beck Introduced to the Streisand Effect| publisher=FoxNewsBoycott.com|date=2009-09-10|accessdate = 2009-10-04}} |
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#{{cite news|| first=Jim | last=Emerson |url=http://blogs.suntimes.com/scanners/2009/10/all_your_beck_are_belong_to_us.html| publisher=Chicago Sun-Times |date=2009-10-02|accessdate = 2009-10-11}} |
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#{{cite news|| first=Billy | last=Manes |url=http://www.orlandoweekly.com/features/story.asp?id=13504|title=Happytown |publisher=Orlando Weekly |date=2009-10-07|accessdate = 2009-10-12}} |
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'''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) |
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== Free speech == |
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''Randazza made this request due to Beck's political commentary favoring the United States Constitution over international law.[12][13]'' It should be made clear that they were trying to make a point. They are essentially going "haha in your face haha in your face". I am trying to find a source summarizing that a little more professionally, though.[[User:Cptnono|Cptnono]] ([[User talk:Cptnono|talk]]) 00:02, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:Per [[WP:V]], best to go by what the sources say, instead of what we believe to be true. '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 03:41, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::I agree. I am saying we shoulod double check to see if there is a source. I did not find one from a quick check and don't want to cherry pick if only one lame one is found. However, I think it is noteworthy if a good source does discuss it. I also think it is funny but that is my personal thoughts on it.[[User:Cptnono|Cptnono]] ([[User talk:Cptnono|talk]]) 03:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I'd agree with that. :P '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 03:58, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::::A couple of blogs point out the irony but I hate using blogs. [http://blogs.suntimes.com/scanners/biography.html Jim Emerson] looks decnt but it is still a blog.[[User:Cptnono|Cptnono]] ([[User talk:Cptnono|talk]]) 04:22, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::Well, that guy appears to be a legitimate [[journalist]] for the ''[[Chicago Sun-Times]]''... '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 04:23, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::::::I would like to add "irony/the irony was commented on..." somewhere in the line but am having a hard time piecing in where.[[User:Cptnono|Cptnono]] ([[User talk:Cptnono|talk]]) 04:32, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::::Best to have that sort of stuff in the ''Commentary'' section. And keep the other sections of the article just to a bland, factual history in chronological order. '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 04:35, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::::::::Blogs written by a notable authority on a subject are OK to use ''about'' that subject. (This would be determined by whether a blog's author is a generally recognized authority on the subject, according to sources themselves deemed to be reliable, or else through the blog's having won awards, or through the blog's being used as a source by sources themselves deemed reliable, etc. [And, of course, on an unrelated point: a blog's author is considered, generally, an authority about ''him or herself,'' with regard to mundane and unlikely-to-be-controversial details of his or her life, as well.])[[User:Justmeherenow|'''''↜ (‘<span style="font-family:Mistral">''J'''us'''t </span><span style="font-family:Mistral;font-size:x-small"> M<u> E </u></span>’<span style="font-family:Mistral">h'''''er''e ''',''' now</span>''''')''']] 22:20, 18 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== Disclaimers == |
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''Eiland-Hall placed two disclaimers at the top of the site which prominently describe it as a form of parody.[1]'' Another source (it should be in the refs and I will start looking if needed) said that it was a disclaimer at the bottom. Through OR (blast!) I know that for some time it was only a single disclaimer at the bottom. It also looks like we are starting to play for the defence. Most of the sources are poking fun at Beck for this and we need to make sure we do not unintentionally adopt that tone.[[User:Cptnono|Cptnono]] ([[User talk:Cptnono|talk]]) 00:05, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:Well, as far as what the sources say, that is what we have to go by. Per [[WP:V]]. [[WP:V|''The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth'']]. '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 03:41, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::Agian, it was just a heads up in case anyone came across some other sources.[[User:Cptnono|Cptnono]] ([[User talk:Cptnono|talk]]) 04:03, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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Fixed.[[User:Cptnono|Cptnono]] ([[User talk:Cptnono|talk]]) 04:10, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:Looks good. :) '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 05:21, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== Notice: Is anybody interested in helping to expand == |
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or cleanup the article "[[Marc Randazza]]"? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Justmeherenow|Justmeherenow]] ([[User talk:Justmeherenow|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Justmeherenow|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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:I am currently focusing on cleanup/expansion of this article. Will take a look at that one later. '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 20:33, 12 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::Update: Formatted all the cites in the article, using [[WP:CIT]]. '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 20:55, 17 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== Not NPOV == |
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I'm diametrically opposed to anything Beck does, but this article seems to go completely out of its way to bash him. The large number of quotes discussing the lack of merit in the case seems like a huge pile-on, and its only purpose seems to be to make it impossible for anyone to think that Beck is anything but an idiot. While ''schadenfreude'' is all fun and good, that's counter to our purpose here. Can we make the point more succinctly? |
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Also, while I'm at it, the article is awfully repetitive and in serious need of a copy editor. <span style="font-family:Verdana; ">'''[[User:Howcheng|<span style="color:#33C;">howcheng</span>]]''' <small>{[[User talk:Howcheng|chat]]}</small></span> 17:45, 19 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:Perhaps you could suggest some [[Wikipedia:Verifiability#Sources|independent]] [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable]] [[Wikipedia:No original research#Primary, secondary and tertiary sources|secondary sources]] that present an alternate perspective? '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 21:05, 19 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::It might be the way the information is presented. The Commentary section reads like a series of flattering movie reviews instead of commentary on an internet meme or a legal dispute. I personally don't feel that every single piece needs to be mentioned since it does have weight concerns due to the shear amount of content. Is all of the information relevant and if it is can it be summarized in a more concise manner?[[User:Cptnono|Cptnono]] ([[User talk:Cptnono|talk]]) 21:12, 19 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:::It is a bit too soon to start nitpicking. Best to sit back and compile more information, research, and secondary sources, and analyze in retrospect after the entire case has concluded. But the ''Commentary'' is what it is so far, commentary on the various aspects of the legal case. '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 21:17, 19 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Update: I did a bit of copyediting, trimmed some quotes, and removed a significant amount of material [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Beck_v._Eiland-Hall&action=historysubmit&diff=320884296&oldid=320847669]. :) Cheers, '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 21:56, 19 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== New info, 21 Oct 2009 == |
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Didn't know where else to put this, but new developments - Beck filed, Arbitrator ordered, and we filed a surreply. Info here: http://gb1990.com/legal.php - again, putting this in talk here because I'm not touching the article itself. [[User:Isaac.Eiland-Hall|Isaac.Eiland-Hall]] ([[User talk:Isaac.Eiland-Hall|talk]]) 18:05, 21 October 2009 (UTC) |
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# And there's [http://www.thewhir.com/web-hosting-news/102109_Glenn_Beck_Accuses_Nasty_Domain_Of_Misleading_Visitors ''this''], too.[[User:Justmeherenow|'''''↜ (‘<span style="font-family:Mistral">''J'''us'''t </span><span style="font-family:Mistral;font-size:x-small"> M<u> E </u></span>’<span style="font-family:Mistral">h'''''er''e ''',''' now</span>''''')''']] 23:34, 21 October 2009 (UTC) |
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# ''[Edited]:'' And [http://www.undispatch.com/node/9054 ''this''].[[User:Justmeherenow|'''''↜ (‘<span style="font-family:Mistral">''J'''us'''t </span><span style="font-family:Mistral;font-size:x-small"> M<u> E </u></span>’<span style="font-family:Mistral">h'''''er''e ''',''' now</span>''''')''']] 20:58, 23 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:Yes, I'll update that soon. ;) '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 00:16, 22 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::Update: Added a bit, I will add more later. '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 00:40, 22 October 2009 (UTC) |
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Regarding [http://www.undispatch.com/node/9054], not sure that would add anything of substance to the article. On an interesting sidenote as far as sources go, [http://www.undispatch.com/node/9054 this post] references [http://twitter.com/evgenymorozov/status/5100977935 this tweet] at the bottom of the post, which in turn references [http://www.jacksonnjonline.com/2009/10/23/glenn-beck-continues-case-against-parody-website/ this post], which appears to have plagiarized its info from [http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/US_free_speech_lawyer_Marc_Randazza_discusses_Glenn_Beck_parody this ''Wikinews'' article.] '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 21:21, 23 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== Start class? == |
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I don't think "start class" is befitting of this article anymore; it seems well sourced and thorough (though a little repetitious), but I didn't do any source [[WP:V|verification]]. I am going to nominate for a re-assessment. //[[USER:Blaxthos|Blaxthos]] <small>( [[User Talk:Blaxthos|t]] / [[Special:Contributions/Blaxthos|c]] )</small> 05:22, 23 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for the kind words about the article's quality. :) I changed the rating to C-class. '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 06:15, 23 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== When will this case be decided? == |
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As far as I can tell from the article, this case has not yet concluded. Assuming that's correct, when will it be decided? This makes a good story, but it feels a bit 'unfinished' at the moment. :) [[User:Robofish|Robofish]] ([[User talk:Robofish|talk]]) 00:38, 30 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:I think that unless Beck's attorneys file any subsequent documents, the next event will be the ruling by the WIPO court, and then probably there will be some secondary source commentary on that development. '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 01:26, 30 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::And it is likely such documents would appear at ''[http://www.citmedialaw.org/threats/beck-v-eiland-hall Citizen Media Law Project]''. '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 02:00, 30 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I don't know that these things have any set timelines, it could take awhile to get a result.--[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] ([[User talk:Milowent|talk]]) 02:07, 30 October 2009 (UTC) |
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==Could shorter lead summarize the status??== |
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It was too long for me to figure it out and I gave up. Did notice the web site is down, but haven't the faintest idea why. Please work on this someone :-) [[User:Carolmooredc|CarolMooreDC]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc|talk]]) 22:25, 11 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:The lead is too long - see [[WP:LEAD]]. [[User:Morphh|<span style="color:green">Morphh</span>]] <sup>[[user talk:Morphh|<span style="color:chocolate">(talk)</span>]]</sup> <small><i>1:19, 12 November 2009 (UTC)</i></small> |
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::Suggestions on what should go?[[User:Cptnono|Cptnono]] ([[User talk:Cptnono|talk]]) 01:20, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Summarize the article - go one section at a time. Limit the lead to about three paragraphs (and not the size of the jumbo paragraphs currently there). [[User:Morphh|<span style="color:green">Morphh</span>]] <sup>[[user talk:Morphh|<span style="color:chocolate">(talk)</span>]]</sup> <small><i>1:25, 12 November 2009 (UTC)</i></small> |
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::::So you would rather complain than do it yourself :P (screwing with you). It looks like Cirt was going for making the lead worthy of standing on its own and summarizing each aspect of the article as is seen in all good articles. Some trimming is needed, though. I don't think I would cut anything form the first paragraph and would focus on the length of the third and fourth. Thoughts? [[User:Cptnono|Cptnono]] ([[User talk:Cptnono|talk]]) 03:05, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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