Talk:AFI (band)

Former Name

They were also known at one point as "Anthems for Insubordinance". It's written on the back of one of their old CDs. Very Proud of Ya, or Answer That and Stay Fashionable.

Source please. - -The Spooky One (talk to me) 04:33, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

It was Anthems For Insubordinates. Observe the bottom right of the second picture from the top. Which if you ask me just goes to show that the name of the band has never been anything other than AFI, and it's "stood for" whatever they felt like at the time. I'd be inclined to refer to all the meanings as backronyms, at any rate. --Blue Dream (talk) 13:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I remember reading an interview with Davey Havok in I think either (UK magazines) Kerrang or Rock Sound around the time of Sing the Sorrow where he explicitly stated that AFI was originally a meaningless name that was not an acronym for anything. I remember he said something about how a bunch of bands he was into at the time had three letter acronym type names and he just thought AFI sounded cool. It never stood for anything at the time.92.236.245.163 (talk) 19:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

As Blue Dream pointed out, it's likely a Backronym. - -' The Spook (TALK) _{(Share the Love with Barnstars)} 21:57, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I think it should possibly be offered a section, such as in Anberlin's article, where their jokes/lies were revealed to be incorrect. It seems they just make up a new meaning every now and then, so maybe we should just leave the lead as AFI, with a sourced section describing the situation. kiac (talk) 11:33, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• sigh* asking for it was the name of the band's post box in their early days, and anthems for insubordinates was their publishing company. they had a theme of making everything have the afi initials. it stood for nothing, and they'd give out random stuff when people asked what it stood for, such as abuncha fucking idiots. --Gpmuscillo (talk) 21:28, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

So it's a backronym, or whatever they call them. Sources? k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 03:03, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Ultimate Guitar is not a reliable source. I've never actually heard them called Asking For It. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marky Maz (talk • contribs) 22:32, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

It's on the liner notes on a couple of their albums... - -' The Spook (TALK) _{(Share the Love with Barnstars)} 23:42, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but that doesn't prove anything. All that proves is: 'The band has used the letters AFI in front of a selection of different sayings, that can sometimes be assumed to be the letters' meaning'. Or something alone those lines. It doesn't say: 'AFI means this' or 'AFI meant that'. As gpmuscillo said "they had a theme of making everything have the afi initials, it stood for nothing,". k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 12:00, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

We need to do away with the whole "name" section. a simple line in the first paragraph is enough: "AFI, short for A Fire Inside..." or something that effect. that section doesn't really add much to the article and can be considered "trivia", which is also something that doesn't deserve its own section

The point is: Most of the names are just bull shit made up by the band, the band's name is AFI. Either there's a section on how they make these names up, or there's nothing. There is nothing saying it is part of their name, or anything official, just because it's on a cover does not mean they are saying "our band name is A Fire Inside" or whatever you are assuming. Trivia sections are not encouraged, though it is more useful than falsely stating the band's name in the lead sentence. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 08:52, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I think it's pretty clear that the reason there's no clear answer is because there isn't one. I say we simply get rid of the name section, and add in the title that since 1998, the initials have stood for A Fire Inside, and perhaps add that the origin of the name is debated.--Gpmuscillo (talk) 12:05, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

There shouldn't be a question about what AFI stands for, I found an interview with Davey where he explains the Anthems for Insubordinates that was placed on the back of their CDs because he says "We had a publishing company called Anthems for Insubordinates once..." and "The Place where you write to us is Asking for it". The interview is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIjKw48DshY. Even if they've said something else in the past, their name is what they want it to be and officially, it's A Fire Inside. I'd say if people insist on other names being there, there should be a separate section listing past meanings of the acronyms and where the title came from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kylegu3 (talk • contribs) 08:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wSItjicB8I Proof that AFI did stand for Asking For It. However they said that they came up with the initials and then his friend made the title. Proving that it's definitely a backronym. Jamekae (talk) 11:01, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Mark's nickname

The Artist still known as Mark is not a pun. It's a reference to Prince. A pun is a single word or phrase with multiple meanings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.36.44.45 (talk) 00:08, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

lol Prince.XMakeshiftx (talk) 08:04, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Emo?

I don't agree with this label. I mean, this need to stop. Labeling every band now with the "emo" tag? And Tokio Hotel too? Panic at The Disco? Fall Out Boy? I mean come on! Please, I like emo, but this doesn't make any sense. I just want to stop this nonsense in wikipedia. Just take out the "emo" tag of bands that evidently are not emo. xwexarexbulletsx (hitmeup - the past) 08:52, 6 December 2008 (UTC)EXACTLY.

You copied my tag!!! lol. To mark your name, you just put in four tildes (below the ESC button on your keyboard). Anyway, it is not OUR decision as wikipedia editors as to whether a band has an emo style of music or not, just because your opinion does not agree, doesn't mean you can edit or change it - this is known as original research. Wikipedia relies on reliable sources to work, this is why trusted and notable published works are used as references - they are the ones that have called AFI emo, which is why we must use their word. If you remove a sourced emo tag, it will be reverted and tagged as vandalism. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 12:05, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, because Davey had black hair we are going to call their MUSIC emo? Oh yeah that makes perfect sense. - fixed.

AFI isn't emo. It does not originate from an emo scene. Emo has expanded into this whole stupid fad to explain anything 'goth' or 'dark', and lot of people assume that if it's any form of rock music pretty much, it's automatically an emo band. AFI is just another alternative music band. There is even an interview where they described AFI as both 'ska' and 'emo'; proving my point that no one even knows what true emo is anymore.

Just please, for the love of GOD, don't associate AFI with the mess of what everyone knows as emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.86.142 (talk) 14:53, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

NewYorkStyledCheesecakes! (talk) 20:46, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

EDIT: Nevermind. But I agree with you xwexarexbulletsx! :D And I would never call them "Emo" ;)XMakeshiftx (talk) 07:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Genreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeess

Please people, is allmusic.com a god-source?

I'm sure that the website, when categorizing various AFI albums, intended on describing the genre of the music as an intermediary, or, perhaps, a fusion of the various genres listed. I love the band, but, come on, "goth rock"? You're not going to find yourself excusing more than half of their songs as that even though the genre is definitely visible in a scattered number of their songs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jotsko (talk • contribs) 11:18, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

How about you got find some sources to backup YOUR claims. Wikipedia has policies preventing users to post their own opinion, No original research, the sources say otherwise so don't friggen change it. Sick to death of you people. If you want to put your own little bs 'dark punk' genres in, go start your own website and stop pissing off the people that maintain this site. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 02:27, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me for that. 'Dark punk' is just as thoroughly biased, but, with its connotative quality, I find that the term is a lot more open to suggestion than, say, 'goth rock' which has had a relatively strict definition. So, to attempt to only accessorize, not genre-ize, the 'dark' quality to their mid-to-later works, I put it as an addition to the generally accepted periodical musical genres. Jotsko (talk) 07:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Hm, how about we use what the band calls itself? I believe that's as credible as one can get. They've definitely said they've based their work on punk, but have evolved musically into an undefinable genre. Ha, can't find the interview (lol, a pun) Read the ones under press at afireinside.com/media/default.aspx --Divya da animal lvr (talk) 01:31, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, finally someone who makes sense, haha. Thank you, Divya da animal lover. (And nice pun, lol ;))XMakeshiftx (talk) 07:53, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

AFI is not emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.78.86 (talk) 03:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Hard rock? I think not. I'll change it. Hard rock is Foo Fighters or Crossfade. 208.54.40.174 (talk) 17:40, 7 July 2011 (UTC) 7/7/11

All music guide

Should all music guide be listed as a source for genres? A number of people have found what it says incredibly inconsistent, and I know on other articles like the Green Day one, theres been consensus to ignore it.Hoponpop69 (talk) 03:10, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

That's Green Day, this is AFI. I go with the fact that their opinion counts for more than ours - which it does. We can't just go "Hey, i disagree, that's crap" - that's original research. Go get some guideline changed (you might find some success like the removal of genres suggestion!!!!) or just be happy that it has some sources for the genres in the first place. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 07:47, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Begin Transmission, Charlotte mystery, etc.

New album announced! this should be included, along with information about how there has been a contest to get five fans to perform with the band on the new album. Also, preceding the release of Decemberunderground, the Despair Faction participated in a massive mystery contest. Information: http://panasonicyouth.buzznet.com/user/journal/19310/ --Divya da animal lvr (talk) 01:35, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Haha Crash Love :DXMakeshiftx (talk) 08:08, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

-waiting impatiently- --Divya da animal lvr (talk) 20:15, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Decemberunderground is now a CERTIFIED PLATINUM album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.197.124.250 (talk) 15:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

This band is amazing, and i like men

I cant believe this band is not under emo they are mega emo, more emo then GAyfi. i would not consider this band anything other then emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.69.12.46 (talk) 01:51, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

They're not emo. You need to be able to give a good, reliable reference then maybe somebody will put that up as emo, but because you don't your just another fan giving an opinion. Upliftmofopartyplan226 (talk) 17:14, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

How about we use what AFI calls themselves? Most credible, is it not? It was once punk, but now is punk-electronic (mostly contributed to many compositions intended for electro alubum CexCells by Blaqk Audio turned into songs for Decemberunderground). Please get your facts right rather than comment angrily about your "beliefs". As I stated before: "Hm, how about we use what the band calls itself? I believe that's as credible as one can get. They've definitely said they've based their work on punk, but have evolved musically into an undefinable genre. Ha, can't find the interview (lol, a pun) Read the ones under press at afireinside.com/media/default.aspx".

And "liking men" has nothing to do with their genre (and is an insulting and prejudiced statement that should not go tolerated). Jade Puget is getting married this year (to a woman) and Davey just recently broke up with his girlfriend, because these must be the band members you are referring to as they are the more public members and you seem not to be so very familiar with the band. --Divya da animal lvr (talk) 22:56, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

We currently have sources for the "emo" tag, so it stays. The initial poster of this section is clearly contributing nothing of worth and I suggest this section just be removed/archived. The only point I would like to make, in response to the above user, is that a band itself is not a reliable source. The first thing that comes to mind is "Who would know a band's music better than themselves?", but there are two problems. Firstly, a band may know their own music, but this is meaningless without context. Being in a band just means you can play an instrument, it doesn't qualify you as a professional music journalist who knows a lot about various genres and bands within them. Secondly, a band is a first party source, and thus biased.

Wikipedia is filled with examples of not using a band's own opinion (Korn denying being nu metal, Lemmy saying Motorhead isn't metal, the same thing with Deep Purple, and so on). Prophaniti (talk) 23:20, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see my faults. Thanks! But punk/dark electronic should also be added, especially since Wiki itself has stated several times that the first five albums were indeed hardcore punk, not emo. --Divya da animal lvr (talk) 23:24, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

If you can find sources for punk/dark electronic, then I see no problem. Likewise, if there are sources saying that their early work can't be classed as emo, or that this was a later development, then I'd also see no problem making that distinction clear. As per, it all just comes down to the sources. Prophaniti (talk) 17:51, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Haha, I'm pretty sure that was a troll, you guys XDD. And Upliftmofopartyplan226, I hope to God that wasn't a fan lol. EDIT: Prophaniti, Davey knows a shitton about music, no joke lol. —Preceding unsigned comment added by XMakeshiftx (talk • contribs) 07:57, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Guys AFI is not emo. They don't talk about sadness or death the way emo bands do. The only people who think AFi is emo are the people that only know about the three newest albums. they've been hardcore straight edge punk for longer than they've been labeled emo. They are not emo now, they are just more poetic and dark. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RBpunk (talk • contribs) 00:59, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

New album and tour

I'd just like to add that the new album title actually hasn't been officially announced, and that the summer tour hasn't been confirmed. Hunter mentioned touring in the summer in an interview, but in a separate interview Davey said they would only tour if they had finished the new album - March, 12

The new album has certainly been announced, unless I have misunderstood the change in the website. --DMP47 (talk) 22:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

"AFI is an American hardcore punk band" intro sentence

It's also worth noting that allmusic continues to list hardcore punk as one of their genres throughout their releases all the way up to today. It notes an increasingly wide spectrum of influences, but nevertheless, according to that source they are still playing hardcore punk. If you can provide sources that contradict it, that say "They don't still play hardcore punk", then you've got a case. Prophaniti (talk) 20:28, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

All music is an unreliable sack of shit for music genres. Here are multiple sources saying they are no longer a Hardcore punk band [1][2][3][4] Hoponpop69 (talk) 03:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Hoponpop, even if they no longer write/market 'hardcore punk' those songs still exist, and are by the band. Therefore, the genre still fits. Landon1980 (talk) 04:27, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes the genre still belongs on the page but not in the intro sentence. The Beastie Boys were once a hardcore band, those songs still exist, but their intro sentence does not describe them as a hardcore punk band because like AFI they now primarily play a different genre of music.Hoponpop69 (talk) 16:28, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Intro

Shouldn't the article begin by saying: 'AFI are a rock band' rather than a 'band' to make the intro more specific and relevant to the band. DespairDavid (talk) 16:36, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

It gets changed daily, i gave up. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 17:31, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

LOL I saw the title and thought it was about the fact that there won't be an intro on Crash Love. XDXMakeshiftx (talk) 08:20, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Another Bassist?

Former members should be updated to include Frank Vicario, who was in the band while Hunter was helping the band record Shut Your Mouth. Davey had just confirmed this information as truth on the ASK AFI board: http://despairfaction.com/showthread.php?t=128816 Does require a member login. However for those without a login, there is this interview which is mentioned in the ASK AFI thread: http://www.synthesis.net/music/interview/item-4/1997-11-01-punk_on_the_brain

Davey goes on to explain how Hunter was not an "actual" member of the band, just helping out with recording. Frank was asked to join since his band was breaking up. AFI toured with Hunter and realized they wanted to make him an official member. There are some promo pics taken with Davey, Adam, Mark and Frank; no Hunter present. If not updated, interview is an interesting read that is not all well known. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.149.252.50 (talk) 09:08, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

EDIT: Nevermind, I read your post wrong. Lol, "Aight" XDXMakeshiftx (talk) 08:13, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

AFI Albums

Decemberundergroun is in fact now AFI's second platinum album. the main wikipage is wring- DU is a platinum album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.197.124.250 (talk) 15:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

neo prog?

It say in the genre section that they're Neo-prog. I fail to see the truth or proof in this. I love Prog. and i actually admit i wish AFI were a prog bad :P but theyre not so the tag was a little confusing. the only really prog thing about them is that a couple of songs are like in 6/8 (kiss and Control) which isn't really that hard of a Time signature. That. and how their style has changed pretty dramtically since their first album. but far from Neo-prog. Fix? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.179.133.252 (talk) 08:14, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Are the sources that deem AFI Emo that reliable?

First of all, the NME video that is used as a source isn't a good source at all. The videos on NME's site are randomly generated and that "Battle of the Emo bands" video is just a vlogger aiming to get views on his videos. Criticism of the video is evident on its YouTube page. And while that may not be good justification for why it should be removed surely the fact that I could go now and make a video saying AFI's country western and use it as a source like what's been done here should lay it to rest?

Secondly, that other emo source comes from a student who actually labelled the genre "emo-punk" not emo. A genre that doesn't exist. Again, it's not a very reputable source and the author of that article had his first, and last publication on the site with that article. Not to mention he can't even spell the lead singer's name correctly, it's just not a source that meets up to Wikipedia standards.

Also, this interview that Jade and Davey did expresses how they couldn't be further disassociated with emo and made note that they knew the true meaning of the term. Most likely making reference to the Washington DC bands such as Rites of Spring who were pioneers of the emo genre.

Here's the interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7PXXJMb5X0

And if you're still not convinced, here's some emo. If you believe AFI falls under the same genre, by all means, argue your point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3A2LFXJycI

Perhaps you a person who believes that fashion determines what genre a band falls into? And that Havok may fall into the Emo genre for that super fringe, devilock evolution? *shock, gasp* he cut it off!

http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/lb/acoustic_christmas_concert_141208/davey_havok_performing_with_afi_2216884.jpg

If you're someone who believes you can dress like a genre, surely the way that you'd see emo wouldn't be gelled hair with bleached tips and a green buttoned down shirt.

Poor sources and information that was gathered from people who wouldn't know the Beatles played next to Nickleback. I'm rectifing the error of classing this post-hardcore, punk rock and alternative rock band as emo. Jamekae (talk) 10:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Thank you so very much! AFI are not emo, have never been emo, and will never be emo. 70.162.160.186 (talk) 10:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Ooh score! I just found a new link to include in my regular reply to the "MY FAVORITE BAND IS NOT EMO"—fans that reside at Wikipedia for a day or two, arguing their invalid point before being proven wrong. AFI is commonly known as an emo band in pop culture, you can't deny that. Anyway, the new link: Rolling Stone. Perhaps read it, you are nothing new here and you will get nothing out of this unless you adhere to Wikipedia's policies. After reading that go onto Wikipedia's policies on Reliable Sources and Original Research. If you're going to remove something that is sourced, you must first prove the source is unreliable, saying some crap about the Beatles and Nickelback just proves you didn't agree with what they have said, because well, you didn't want to. If you're going to swap and change the genres, then get better sources, you poor little genre warriors. And before you go getting all offended, yes I am a fan too, but do I really give a shit what Wikipedia says its genre is? No, only to the extent that it is truthful - and music journalists in the end, know best. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 15:08, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Bassist Changes?

Someone keeps changing the band line-up to show that Hunter Burgan is a former member who is being replaced by Geoff Kresge. It's not true according to Hunter's twitter: http://twitter.com/TranquilMammoth

Brittanythecaptain (talk) 00:43, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Crash Love - September 29th, 2009

Today, it was officially revealed that Crash Love is coming out on September 29th, 2009. Sources: http://despairfaction.com/showthread.php?t=130940 (post by Theory on behalf of Davey) and http://twitter.com/TranquilMammoth/status/2522790783 (Hunter's twitter). Could someone add this to the Crash Love section? Cloudy Havoqk 70.162.160.186 (talk) 00:20, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Done. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 03:43, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Also may I suggest that someone mention AFI's new album at the top of the page. It might do as it's basicaly a summary of the article. Please and thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Myeliteromance (talk • contribs) 00:58, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Genre?

AFI is no longer Hardcore or Melodic Hardcore, they have not been since the early nineties. I personally think they are bordering on Emo, but since there is so much dispute can we please just add Alternative Rock? That seems like a fair compromise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.78.70.20 (talk) 22:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

They are mostly post-hardcore and alternative rock any more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.36.111.17 (talk) 02:31, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Original Research. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 03:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Guys just cause they don't play a certain genre anymore doesn't mean we get rid of old genres. The genre section does not say current genres it says all genres RBpunk (talk) 00:55, 12 July 2012 (UTC) RBpunk

Semiprotection review

The protection log for this article isn't too promising--apparently it was extensively vandalized in 2006 and 2007 and has been semiprotected ever since. However that was over two years ago and it's possible that the source or cause of the vandalism has gone away. I'd like opinions from regular editors, and I've also contacted the protecting sysop, Can't sleep, clown will eat me (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).

--TS 15:50, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh no. I'm not familiar with the (semi-)protection rules and all that, but the "source or cause" of the vandalism has returned -- another new album. The band members' articles, especially Davey's, get vandalized pretty much every week, it'll probably extend to this article aswell without the protection. Berrie Leigh (talk) 16:26, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

He who laughs last

"HE WHO LAUGHS LAST" is a single by afi realeased in 1996 in their album "VERY PROUD OF YA" in the video DAVEY HAVOK is showned geting killed being betraded by his friends —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.54.128.23 (talk) 22:20, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Okay.Hoponpop69 (talk) 08:42, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

headline image

hey listen, i'm not an AFI fan or anything but I came across this article and i feel the headline image is just awful. It looks like it's taken from the Sims or something. If anyone has a better image, it should be replaced. - tbone (talk) 14:36, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Go take a photo of them and release the copyright then. Wikipedia is one of the few places that actually respects the copyright holder, you can't jsut steal an image and place it where you want, this isn't MySpace... kiac. (talk-contrib) 05:54, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

"AFI is an alternative rock band" intro sentance.

Allmusic has put the category "alternative/indie rock" on all of AFI's releases, but I did some browsing on music websites, and found that other than Allmusic, most sources generally only put Sing the Sorrow, Decemberunderground, and Crash Love under alternative rock. Unless someone has multiple sources that the majority of AFI's work is alternative rock, I suggest we change the intro to say that they are a "rock band". It has been done with Sum 41, Radiohead, System of a Down, and Pearl Jam (for example), because they've tried different things on different albums, and because of the wide musical influence "rock" seems to be the best consensus. AltPunkMetal (talk) 17:25, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

New photo

I added a photo I took of AFI in the studio for Black Sails. My brother worked at Art of Ears from 95 to 00. He was showing me around when we found AFI in the soundboard room. I was a fan and asked if I could take a picture. They said yes of course but just went back to what they were doing. They were busy working on mixing at the time, I think. It's a real photo that I really took, so don't take it down, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afirebenside (talk • contribs) 18:00, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm very sure that this picture was taken in Fantasy Stdios studio A when the band was there working on Art of Drowning. Guy Lento (talk) 07:00, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

New main picture for the band?

AFI's main picture in the article is too far away. Nobody can tell what the members really look like. I have a photo that I took of the guys in AFI backstage at the 9:30 club in Washington DC in March 2007. I could put it up if you guys want, we can move the Live Earth photo to the DU section of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afirebenside (talk • contribs) 20:25, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

emo band

Emo=emotional hardcore.

AFI is classified as emo. At least the newer stuff. http://emorawr.com/afi — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMetallican (talk • contribs) 01:22, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure "emorawr" qualifies as what Wikipedia considers a reliable source. Have any better sources for this claim? Sergecross73 msg me 19:22, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Guys, I think we should leave genres alone. NEW AFI is more of just post-hardcore. They're NOT emo. Emo is short for emotional hardcore or emotional rock. Think of embrace, fugazi, rites of spring, sunny day real estate, hawthorne heights, the used, etc. But AFI aren't so emotional. They only are having a conclusion of being post-hardcore in their 3 or 2 newest albums. I think people only thought that because of one of the band member's hairstyles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMetallican (talk • contribs)

Guys I want to settle this. AFI is not emo. They still belong to punk no matter what. Anyone who says afi is emo has not heard any albums but the newest three. AFI do not talk about sadness or death the way emo bands do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RBpunk (talk • contribs) 00:56, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

musical styles and influences

“We have many, many influences that span the musical spectrum,” lead singer Davey Havok tells Steve Morse of The Boston Globe. “Each of us grew up on everything from punk to hard-core to dark ’80s UK stuff like the Cure, Bauhaus, Joy Division, and Sisters of Mercy. And there were rock bands like Guns N’ Roses and Metallica and industrial bands like Skinny Puppy, Ministry, Front 242 and Alien Sex Fiend. And we all love the Smiths." http://rockdirt.com/afis-long-answered-influences/7013/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMetallican (talk • contribs) 01:31, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

The Leaving Song

Is it known why on Sing the Sorrow "The Leaving Song Part II" comes before "The Leaving Song"? What is the reasoning for this --124.187.132.37 (talk) 09:48, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

melodic hardcore?

In some of the songs from Sing the Sorrow and Decemberunderground they display a melodic hardcore sound, screams and general hardcore punk sounds mixed with melodic singing and complicated guitar riffs. Could I safely add melodic hardcore to the genre list? RBpunk (talk) 01:40, 10 July 2012 (UTC) RBpunk

Genres need to be sourced, sorry. No original research. — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 09:20, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

How do I find sources on their genre? Because there's got to be someone out there who said the same thing RBpunk (talk) 00:52, 12 July 2012 (UTC) RBpunk

AFI is NOT emo

Please, I really want everyone to stop calling AFI emo. It's an insult to real long time AFI fans, and frankly, the band itself. AFI does not talk about suicide or depression, and they wore their hair like that before emo was even a thought in people minds. i really want people who say they're emo to listen to any of their old stuff. The newest albums are not hardcore yes, but they are not emo. They are more just poetic rock and melodic hardcore. Sure they got deeper and slightly darker but that's just them hanging onto their horrorpunk roots not going emo. Please Please PLEASE stop saying AFI is emo. If you comment on this I want it to be logical calm wording not just trolling cause you hate AFI RBpunk (talk) 01:04, 12 July 2012 (UTC) RBpunk

Please look at the dates on the above posts that you replied to. This stuff is old as hell. This "emo" subject is not important anymore. If you want to rant further about this stuff, please find a forum or something. Article talk pages are for discussing the article, not its subject. — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 12:20, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Sing the Sorrow album artwork

Which is the original artwork? this version or this version?--58.167.82.88 (talk) 08:12, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

The red album art is the original.JoeMIW (talk) 13:28, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Red was more popular, but there were also silver ones for sale. They did the same thing for Crash Love, where most albums were golden, but a small percentage were black. 172.56.4.71 (talk) 03:26, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

More genres...

Yes, I know we've added an extensive list of genre already, but I think that we should add a few important ones. I believe they also play New Wave, Post-Punk, and Glampunk. I think at the very least we should add in Post-Punk (or Post-Punk Revival, I don't really care it makes no difference to me). JoeMIW (talk) 13:27, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Genre (2014)

Their first several albums were hardcore punk, and they have been credited for reviving the genre. Just search "AFI hardcore punk" on Google (without the quotation marks). Likewise, they are part of the 2000's post-hardcore movement. Yes, they have dabbled in other genres besides alternative rock, punk rock, hardcore punk and post-hardcore, but the ones I mentioned are pretty essential. Also, the sources I have removed were unreliable. There's my explanation for my genre edit. 97.83.67.162 (talk) 22:15, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

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The section of the article detailing their upcoming tenth album needs fixing. Better wording would help, but there's misinformation as well: as of today (Oct. 26) there has not been any indication from the band or their management that the group's upcoming single will be entitled "Blood". "Blood" is merely the name of a Spotify playlist the band has been using to tease their new material. The only source indicating that "Blood" is a single is punktastic, which is A. not particularly reliable by wiki standards and B. not verifiably accurate, as their assertion is based purely on its author's conjecture. 68.47.2.148 (talk) 21:39, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Nevermind, I fixed the errors. I thought this page was still soft-locked from back when people kept writing "davey havok is gay" and all that. 68.47.2.148 (talk) 21:43, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

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AFI's Black Sails EP has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Black Sails EP, if anyone involved with this article might be interested in weighing in. —Lowellian (reply) 22:49, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

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Genre infobox

It really isn't a good idea for it to just say "punk rock, alternative rock, gothic rock". Emo isn't always punk or alternative rock. Some emo is pop punk. There is pop punk that is punk, but there is pop punk that clearly isn't punk and is just pop rock with some punk elements. There is also post-hardcore that is punk and there's post-hardcore that isn't punk. It's really a good idea to just add emo and post-hardcore to the genre infobox. If all emo is punk or alternative, if all post-hardcore is punk, although we wouldn't add subgenres like hardcore punk and horror punk to the infobox, it is okay to just add 2 subgenres to the infobox. 5 genres isn't too much. My Chemical Romance have 5 genres in their infobox. If all emo is punk or alternative, if all pop punk is punk, if all post-hardcore is punk, does that mean we should change My Chemical Romance's genre infobox to simply "punk rock, alternative rock"? If we just make the infobox for AFI be "punk rock, alternative rock, gothic rock", then the genre field of the infobox isn't a good summary. It's like making Linkin Park's genre infobox be "nu metal, rap rock, alternative rock" or something like that. Adding 2 more genres is completely fine, even if they are subgenres of punk or alternative, adding 2 more genres is still fine because 5 genres isn't too much. (My Chemical Romance have 5 genres in their infobox). Statik N (talk) 01:41, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

The thing about adding subgenres to AFI in particular, is that they've crossed so many different genres, that if were to include one (such as emo), then it would be just as apt to add horror punk, hardcore punk, pop rock, emo pop, post-hardcore and new wave too, and we don't want around ten genres in the infobox, it's way too clutter; My Chemical Romance don't have this problem because they've only really ventured through three different styles (post-hardcore, emo pop and alt rock). Furthermore, we would be giving priority to the emo genre by adding it, which doesn't make much sense because they only have two albums sourced as emo, while there are more albums sourced as hardcore. Issan Sumisu (talk) 10:36, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

AFI has only like 1 album sourced as gothic rock. Calling them "punk rock, alternative rock, gothic rock" is suggesting that all their songs that aren't simply alternative rock either sound like Ramones/Bad Religion/etc. or sound like Bauhaus. The band got so many songs that would be more similar to stuff like The Used, Senses Fail, Hawthorne Heights, etc. which aren't punk or gothic rock bands (and Senses Fail clearly aren't alternative rock). Adding 2 more genres is just fine. It isn't such a big deal if emo and post-hardcore are both added. Statik N (talk) 23:10, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

As per Template:Infobox musical artist "Aim for generality (e.g. Hip hop rather than East Coast hip hop)", why would we include a very specific subgenre such as post-hardcore or emo when they are already covered by punk rock and alternative rock, and anybody who's accustomed to wikipedia would think they only play those specific styles because many pages have general genres to make up for an array of genres sourced. Furthermore, there are two albums sourced as gothic rock, not just one, and even horror punk is considered a fusion of proto-gothic rock and punk rock on wikipedia, meaning that punk and goth together both cover their horror punk days.

I still don't think it's a good summary if we don't include emo and post-hardcore in the genre field. Not everyone would agree that all emo is punk or alternative or that all post-hardcore is punk. I sourced all the albums in the musical style section as a way to try compromising. Statik N (talk) 17:42, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

I came up with a compromise. We should only include genres that are sourced for at least 2 of the band's albums. Burials is the only album sourced as gothic rock (and horror punk is really just punk rock with horror themes). Crash Love is the only one sourced as pop rock. The Blood Album is the only sourced as new wave/post-punk. That way we'll have the genre field say "alternative rock, emo, hardcore punk, horror punk, post-hardcore", which is 5 genres. My Chemical Romance has 5 genres in their genre field. So does Marilyn Manson (band) and Nine Inch Nails. Should we remove industrial metal from Marilyn Manson (band)'s genre field and just use industrial rock for the whole industrial thing? Should we remove industrial rock from Nine Inch Nails' genre field and just use industrial for the whole industrial thing? At least 2 AFI albums have a source for alternative rock. At least 2 AFI albums have a source for post-hardcore. At least 2 AFI albums have a source for horror punk. At least 2 AFI albums have a source for hardcore punk and at least 2 AFI albums have a source for emo. At least 2 AFI albums must have a source for a certain genre in order for that certain genre to included in the genre field of AFI's main page. It's completely okay if we do it like this. Statik N (talk) 20:32, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

That is another way of going about it but it does completely disregard a previous disregard a previous consensus, if you want to do that then I'd recommend moving over the sources from the Blood Album's page saying it's gothic rock and including those because they aren't currently on this page. Issan Sumisu (talk) 20:57, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi everyone, I disagree with the above positions. It is standard practice in keeping with guidelines and high-quality articles to use the infobox only for the most general summary and introduce the evolution of an artist's musical style in the lead instead. I don't see why this hasn't been considered and all and would suggest it as an obvious solution here. Take a classic featured band article like the Beatles: even though psychedelic rock/pop was their dominant style over multiple albums, you will find it in the lead and not the infobox, which gives only the most general categories running through the band's entire career. Here we should follow suit, reducing infobox genres to a minimum and mentioning subgenres IN CHRONOLOGICAL CONTEXT in the lead. Do you see any downsides to this approach?--MASHAUNIX 19:45, 11 March 2019 (UTC)