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==Move request==
==Move request==
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The first name should be in English, not in Polish. This was a medieval monarch, no one cannot claim that Wladyslaw Spindleshanks is precisely his original name, spelling was not so established at that time. I chose Vladislaus instead of Ladislaus because it is more loyal to the Polish pronunciation. He was the high ''ksiaze'', which could be expressed by "Grand Prince" - alternative would be for example "Duke of Cracow". [[User:Marrtel|Marrtel]] 18:07, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
The first name should be in English, not in Polish. This was a medieval monarch, no one cannot claim that Wladyslaw Spindleshanks is precisely his original name, spelling was not so established at that time. I chose Vladislaus instead of Ladislaus because it is more loyal to the Polish pronunciation. He was the high ''ksiaze'', which could be expressed by "Grand Prince" - alternative would be for example "Duke of Cracow". [[User:Marrtel|Marrtel]] 18:07, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


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{{{result|The result of the debate was}}} '''no consensus'''. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 21:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
===Poll===
===Poll===
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*'''Comment'''. Who knows how to pronounce Władysław or Wladyslaw? I prefer the Latinisations and Anglicisations. No style need be included in the title: a fuller discussion must be had on the proper naming of the Polish overlords of the period of the Seniorate. Also, as to [[User:Molobo|Molobo]]'s comment above, while the notion of a "Polish cabal" and the accusations of "Polish nationalism" are less than good faith, I would say, it is not a good reason for voting against a proposal that the proponent has expressed such views. [[User:Srnec|Srnec]] 20:44, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Who knows how to pronounce Władysław or Wladyslaw? I prefer the Latinisations and Anglicisations. No style need be included in the title: a fuller discussion must be had on the proper naming of the Polish overlords of the period of the Seniorate. Also, as to [[User:Molobo|Molobo]]'s comment above, while the notion of a "Polish cabal" and the accusations of "Polish nationalism" are less than good faith, I would say, it is not a good reason for voting against a proposal that the proponent has expressed such views. [[User:Srnec|Srnec]] 20:44, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Fairly weak support/Comment''' I support a move to the appropiate anglicization of the first name, i.e. Wladyslaw III, including whatever the appropriate title or designation is. [[User:Cfvh|Charles]] 21:54, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Fairly weak support/Comment''' I support a move to the appropiate anglicization of the first name, i.e. Wladyslaw III, including whatever the appropriate title or designation is. [[User:Cfvh|Charles]] 21:54, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for above reasons, and this makes my list of 'really bad names' just below [[Wladyslaw II/V of Poland, Jogaila of Lithuania]]. Especially if we were to discuss his title (king? great prince? duke?) we should start this at talk and consider all possible variants, and not launch into a major renaming. --[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]] <sup><font color="green">[[User_talk:Piotrus|Talk]]</font></sup> 21:59, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for above reasons, and this makes my list of 'really bad names' just below [[Wladyslaw II/V of Poland, Jogaila of Lithuania]]. Especially if we were to discuss his title (king? great prince? duke?) we should start this at talk and consider all possible variants, and not launch into a major renaming. --[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]] [[User_talk:Piotrus|<sup style="color:green;">Talk</sup>]] 21:59, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Neutral''' support English names per [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)|WP:Use English]] but Władysław could also be '''Wladislaus'''. No matter what, drop the "Spindleshanks." [[User:AjaxSmack|AjaxSmack]] 02:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Neutral''' support English names per [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)|WP:Use English]] but Władysław could also be '''Wladislaus'''. No matter what, drop the "Spindleshanks." [[User:AjaxSmack|AjaxSmack]] 02:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. This is English Wikipedia. See what is going on with [[Władysław II Jagiełło]], the "most correct name", according to the Piotrus, to [[Jogaila]] of Lithuania. [[User:Juraune|Juraune]] 06:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. This is English Wikipedia. See what is going on with [[Władysław II Jagiełło]], the "most correct name", according to the Piotrus, to [[Jogaila]] of Lithuania. [[User:Juraune|Juraune]] 06:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose.''' Talk about "original research"! [[User:KonradWallenrod|KonradWallenrod]] 07:52, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose.''' Talk about "original research"! [[User:KonradWallenrod|KonradWallenrod]] 07:52, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. [[User:Orionus|Orionus]] 13:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. [[User:Orionus|Orionus]] 13:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. --[[User:Matthead|Matthead]] 21:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Neutral'''. Serious problems with this particular suggestion, but agree page should be renamed. - '''[[User:Calgacus|Calgacus]] (''[[User talk:Calgacus|ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ]]'')''' 00:51, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose.''' [[User:logologist|logologist]]|[[User_talk:logologist|Talk]] 01:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose.''' -- [[User:Anatopism|Anatopism]] 06:38, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. - [[User:Mattergy|Mattergy]] 07:06, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' [[User:Radomil|Radomil]] <small>[[User talk:Radomil|talk]]</small> 15:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support'''--[[User:Aldux|Aldux]] 20:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. [[User:Jonathunder|Jonathunder]] 07:15, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


===Discussion===
===Discussion===
The issue what was this monarchs title, and how to refer to the various contenders to the throne of Poland during the time of [[fragmentation of Poland]] is certainly worth discussing, although I'd recommend [[Talk:List of Polish monarchs]] for such a discussion instead of this page.--[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]] <sup><font color="green">[[User_talk:Piotrus|Talk]]</font></sup> 22:01, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
The issue what was this monarchs title, and how to refer to the various contenders to the throne of Poland during the time of [[fragmentation of Poland]] is certainly worth discussing, although I'd recommend [[Talk:List of Polish monarchs]] for such a discussion instead of this page.--[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]] [[User_talk:Piotrus|<sup style="color:green;">Talk</sup>]] 22:01, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


:Such a thread I have recently begun at the said discussion page. [[User:Srnec|Srnec]] 02:00, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
:Such a thread I have recently begun at the said discussion page. [[User:Srnec|Srnec]] 02:00, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


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== Sockpuppetry ==

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are confirmed sockpuppets [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=60172140&oldid=60171126]. The outcome of the vote may change based on this information -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] | [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 22:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

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Move request

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The first name should be in English, not in Polish. This was a medieval monarch, no one cannot claim that Wladyslaw Spindleshanks is precisely his original name, spelling was not so established at that time. I chose Vladislaus instead of Ladislaus because it is more loyal to the Polish pronunciation. He was the high ksiaze, which could be expressed by "Grand Prince" - alternative would be for example "Duke of Cracow". Marrtel 18:07, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was no consensus. Haukur 21:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Poll

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Write Support or Oppose and an optional one-sentence reason. Longer parts of opinions then below at discussion.

Discussion

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The issue what was this monarchs title, and how to refer to the various contenders to the throne of Poland during the time of fragmentation of Poland is certainly worth discussing, although I'd recommend Talk:List of Polish monarchs for such a discussion instead of this page.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:01, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Such a thread I have recently begun at the said discussion page. Srnec 02:00, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Sockpuppetry

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Please note, that in the poll above,

are confirmed sockpuppets [2]. The outcome of the vote may change based on this information -- Chris 73 | Talk 22:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

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There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Augustus II the Strong which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 14:00, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]