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{{DYK talk|22 April|2009|entry=... that [[Britain's Got Talent (series 3)|''Britain's Got Talent'']] contestant '''[[Susan Boyle]]'''{{`s}} performance of "[[Songs from Les_Misérables#I Dreamed a Dream|I Dreamed a Dream]]" gained her worldwide attention?}} |
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| title= Scottish Singer's Audition Video Sets Online Record |
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| author= Jose Antonio Vargas |
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| date= April 19, 2009 |
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| title2= 'They called me Susie Simple', but singing superstar Susan Boyle is the one laughing now |
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| title3= Jay Leno performs in drag as Susan Boyle |
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| title4= A Wiki-tribute from Williams |
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Could somebody add that Perez Hilton has posted the video on his american gossip site ttp://perezhilton.com/2009-04-12-susan-boyle |
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first refernce is a dead link!<b><big><span style="font-family:monotype corsiva; color:black;"><i>rinduzahid</i></span></big></b><sup>([[User |
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== Digg & Reddit == |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 21 November 2021 == |
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Last I checked digg and reddit are user controlled sites. The contents or implication of anything on those sites doesn't meet [[WP:V]] and nothing can be sourced from them. There have been plenty of talk regarding the veracity of some of the submissions and how they become "popular" depending on who submits them, etc. There is no indication that the results of a digg submission are notable or reliable and constitute [[WP:OR|original research]].--[[Special:Contributions/221.138.100.194|221.138.100.194]] ([[User talk:221.138.100.194|talk]]) |
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14:26, 13 April 2009 (UTC) |
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In the popular culture section, please add the Brooklyn 99 reference made by Charles Boyle in Season 6, Episode 15. Charles says, "It's such a classic Boyle trait not to recognize talent. My cousin Susan didn't know she could sing until her late 40s." |
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https://metro.co.uk/2020/11/17/brooklyn-nine-nine-star-confirms-susan-boyle-fan-theory-and-backs-cameo-spot-13603575/ [[Special:Contributions/97.116.96.154|97.116.96.154]] ([[User talk:97.116.96.154|talk]]) 05:52, 21 November 2021 (UTC) |
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::How is referencing digg & reddit original research? I didn't submit them, I didn't even create this article. You make little to no sense here. [[User:R3ap3R.inc|R3ap3R.inc]] ([[User talk:R3ap3R.inc|talk]]) 16:36, 13 April 2009 (UTC) |
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: {{not done}}. Trivial [[WP:FANCRUFT]], could be mentioned only if it's actually part of the storyline. Also, [[WP:METRO|Metro is considered generally unreliable]]. [[User:Ganbaruby|<span style="color:#960596">◢</span> <b><i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:Ganbaruby|talk]])</small> 10:09, 22 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2021 == |
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== Piers == |
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Is Piers Morgan judging America's Got Talent as well as Britain's Got Talent? [[Special:Contributions/96.242.5.155|96.242.5.155]] ([[User talk:96.242.5.155|talk]]) 17:22, 13 April 2009 (UTC)iiDecember |
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Add that Susan Boyle is a second cousin of prominent Irish politician Dan Boyle. Their grandfathers, according to this source, were brothers. https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/arid-30409651.html [[Special:Contributions/212.129.75.96|212.129.75.96]] ([[User talk:212.129.75.96|talk]]) 17:25, 6 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done for now:''' please establish a [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] for this alteration '''[[Wikipedia:Edit requests|before]]''' using the {{tlx|edit semi-protected}} template.<!-- Template:ESp --> I don't think mentioning second cousins is terribly necessary or due. [[User:ScottishFinnishRadish|ScottishFinnishRadish]] ([[User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish|talk]]) 18:51, 6 December 2021 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2024 == |
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== Recent edits == |
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While the majority of the edits were somewhat beneficial, there were enough errors to warrant an undo. Specifically, the spelling of multiple words was changed to reflect British english as oppossed to American (favorite vs favourite, skeptical v sceptical, etc). This article should stick with the standard Americanized English [[User:R3ap3R.inc|R3ap3R.inc]] ([[User talk:R3ap3R.inc|talk]]) 22:00, 13 April 2009 (UTC) |
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Suggest that the comilation album "''[[Ten (Susan Boyle album)|Ten]]'' (2019)" be removed from the {{section link|Susan Boyle|Discography|nopage=yes}} listing. |
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From what I've seen in numerous other articles, when musicians have external discographies like [[Susan Boyle discography]] and {{template link|Susan Boyle}}, the inline listing is supposed to consist strictly of studio album links - so no compilations, no EPs, no albums without articles of their own, et cetera. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:560:5821:6C00:8927:F475:6FA6:FF53|2A02:560:5821:6C00:8927:F475:6FA6:FF53]] ([[User talk:2A02:560:5821:6C00:8927:F475:6FA6:FF53|talk]]) 12:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:No, it should not. Please read [[WP:ENGVAR#Strong national ties to a topic]], which states that article spelling should reflect the region of the world that the article's subject is from (or associated with). This person is from the United Kingdom, and the show she appeared on is "Britain's Got Talent", thus, using British English in this article is appropriate. Re-applying those changes. <span style="white-space:nowrap">— [[User:Huntster|Huntster]] <small>([[User talk:Huntster|t]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Huntster|@]] • [[Special:Contributions/Huntster|c]])</small></span> 23:01, 13 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp -->. Thanks for the suggestion, [[User:Mokadoshi|Mokadoshi]] ([[User talk:Mokadoshi|talk]]) 01:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC) |
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''Boyle became the first female artist in history to have a number one album simultaneously in both the United Kingdom and United States within the space of a year.'' This is in the opening of the article. Does this make sense or am I missing something? [[User:Tuzapicabit|Tuzapicabit]] ([[User talk:Tuzapicabit|talk]]) 00:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC) |
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According to Wiktionary, the meaning of "viral" whcih the section here apparently using is as an adjective. Should a section be headed by an adjective? Also, should a section be headed by a relatively rare word? Should we expect a lot of our readers to have to go searching for the meaning of a heading? [[Special:Contributions/211.225.37.54|211.225.37.54]] ([[User talk:211.225.37.54|talk]]) 23:16, 13 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:This is what the ref at the end of the paragraph says, emphasis mine: |
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::Does anyone who has a computer and uses Wikipedia not know what viral means? Who is to say where the intelligence threshold may lie. There's nothing wrong with having to look up one thing to understand another. This is an encyclopedia afterall. [[User:Hrhadam|Hrhadam]] ([[User talk:Hrhadam|talk]]) 23:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:{{quote2|In 2010 Susan became the first female artist to have a number one album simultaneously in both the UK & the US, '''twice''' in less than 12 months.}} |
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:- [[Special:Contributions/2A02:560:5821:6C00:B140:3122:2709:15F2|2A02:560:5821:6C00:B140:3122:2709:15F2]] ([[User talk:2A02:560:5821:6C00:B140:3122:2709:15F2|talk]]) 08:10, 21 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:::changed to "web" as a more appropriate heading [[User:NMChico24|NMChico24]] ([[User talk:NMChico24|talk]]) 04:04, 14 April 2009 (UTC) |
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::I've changed it to {{tq|The success continued with her second studio album, The Gift (2010), where she became only the third act ever (and the first woman artist) to top both the UK and US album charts with two different albums in the same year.}} which hopefully makes more sense. [[User:Mokadoshi|Mokadoshi]] ([[User talk:Mokadoshi|talk]]) 02:11, 7 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::The achievement itself is so convoluted that I doubt there is a really straightforward way to describe it. ;) |
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:::- [[Special:Contributions/89.183.221.75|89.183.221.75]] ([[User talk:89.183.221.75|talk]]) 17:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC) |
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[edit]first refernce is a dead link!rinduzahid([[User talk:Mpolat|talk]])
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In the popular culture section, please add the Brooklyn 99 reference made by Charles Boyle in Season 6, Episode 15. Charles says, "It's such a classic Boyle trait not to recognize talent. My cousin Susan didn't know she could sing until her late 40s."
https://metro.co.uk/2020/11/17/brooklyn-nine-nine-star-confirms-susan-boyle-fan-theory-and-backs-cameo-spot-13603575/ 97.116.96.154 (talk) 05:52, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- Not done. Trivial WP:FANCRUFT, could be mentioned only if it's actually part of the storyline. Also, Metro is considered generally unreliable. ◢ Ganbaruby! (talk) 10:09, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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Add that Susan Boyle is a second cousin of prominent Irish politician Dan Boyle. Their grandfathers, according to this source, were brothers. https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/arid-30409651.html 212.129.75.96 (talk) 17:25, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
- Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
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template. I don't think mentioning second cousins is terribly necessary or due. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:51, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
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Suggest that the comilation album "Ten (2019)" be removed from the § Discography listing.
From what I've seen in numerous other articles, when musicians have external discographies like Susan Boyle discography and {{Susan Boyle}}, the inline listing is supposed to consist strictly of studio album links - so no compilations, no EPs, no albums without articles of their own, et cetera. 2A02:560:5821:6C00:8927:F475:6FA6:FF53 (talk) 12:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- Done. Thanks for the suggestion, Mokadoshi (talk) 01:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Boyle became the first female artist in history to have a number one album simultaneously in both the United Kingdom and United States within the space of a year. This is in the opening of the article. Does this make sense or am I missing something? Tuzapicabit (talk) 00:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- This is what the ref at the end of the paragraph says, emphasis mine:
“ | In 2010 Susan became the first female artist to have a number one album simultaneously in both the UK & the US, twice in less than 12 months. | ” |
- - 2A02:560:5821:6C00:B140:3122:2709:15F2 (talk) 08:10, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- I've changed it to
The success continued with her second studio album, The Gift (2010), where she became only the third act ever (and the first woman artist) to top both the UK and US album charts with two different albums in the same year.
which hopefully makes more sense. Mokadoshi (talk) 02:11, 7 March 2024 (UTC)- The achievement itself is so convoluted that I doubt there is a really straightforward way to describe it. ;)
- - 89.183.221.75 (talk) 17:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- I've changed it to
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