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== Dead link ==
Could somebody add that Perez Hilton has posted the video on his american gossip site http://perezhilton.com/2009-04-12-susan-boyle


first refernce is a dead link!<b><big><span style="font-family:monotype corsiva; color:black;"><i>rinduzahid</i></span></big></b><sup>([[User
== Digg & Reddit ==
talk:Mpolat|talk]])</sup>


== Semi-protected edit request on 21 November 2021 ==
Last I checked digg and reddit are user controlled sites. The contents or implication of anything on those sites doesn't meet [[WP:V]] and nothing can be sourced from them. There have been plenty of talk regarding the veracity of some of the submissions and how they become "popular" depending on who submits them, etc. There is no indication that the results of a digg submission are notable or reliable and constitute [[WP:OR|original research]].--[[Special:Contributions/221.138.100.194|221.138.100.194]] ([[User talk:221.138.100.194|talk]])


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14:26, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
In the popular culture section, please add the Brooklyn 99 reference made by Charles Boyle in Season 6, Episode 15. Charles says, "It's such a classic Boyle trait not to recognize talent. My cousin Susan didn't know she could sing until her late 40s."


https://metro.co.uk/2020/11/17/brooklyn-nine-nine-star-confirms-susan-boyle-fan-theory-and-backs-cameo-spot-13603575/ [[Special:Contributions/97.116.96.154|97.116.96.154]] ([[User talk:97.116.96.154|talk]]) 05:52, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
::How is referencing digg & reddit original research? I didn't submit them, I didn't even create this article. You make little to no sense here. [[User:R3ap3R.inc|R3ap3R.inc]] ([[User talk:R3ap3R.inc|talk]]) 16:36, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
: {{not done}}. Trivial [[WP:FANCRUFT]], could be mentioned only if it's actually part of the storyline. Also, [[WP:METRO|Metro is considered generally unreliable]]. [[User:Ganbaruby|<span style="color:#960596">◢</span> <b><i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:Ganbaruby|talk]])</small> 10:09, 22 November 2021 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2021 ==
== Piers ==


{{edit semi-protected|Susan Boyle|answered=yes}}
Is Piers Morgan judging America's Got Talent as well as Britain's Got Talent? [[Special:Contributions/96.242.5.155|96.242.5.155]] ([[User talk:96.242.5.155|talk]]) 17:22, 13 April 2009 (UTC)iiDecember
Add that Susan Boyle is a second cousin of prominent Irish politician Dan Boyle. Their grandfathers, according to this source, were brothers. https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/arid-30409651.html [[Special:Contributions/212.129.75.96|212.129.75.96]] ([[User talk:212.129.75.96|talk]]) 17:25, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done for now:''' please establish a [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] for this alteration '''[[Wikipedia:Edit requests|before]]''' using the {{tlx|edit semi-protected}} template.<!-- Template:ESp --> I don't think mentioning second cousins is terribly necessary or due. [[User:ScottishFinnishRadish|ScottishFinnishRadish]] ([[User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish|talk]]) 18:51, 6 December 2021 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2024 ==
Yes [[User:Back ache|Back ache]] ([[User talk:Back ache|talk]]) 08:07, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


{{edit semi-protected|Susan Boyle|answered=yes}}
== Recent edits ==
Suggest that the comilation album "''[[Ten (Susan Boyle album)|Ten]]'' (2019)" be removed from the {{section link|Susan Boyle|Discography|nopage=yes}} listing.


From what I've seen in numerous other articles, when musicians have external discographies like [[Susan Boyle discography]] and {{template link|Susan Boyle}}, the inline listing is supposed to consist strictly of studio album links - so no compilations, no EPs, no albums without articles of their own, et cetera. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:560:5821:6C00:8927:F475:6FA6:FF53|2A02:560:5821:6C00:8927:F475:6FA6:FF53]] ([[User talk:2A02:560:5821:6C00:8927:F475:6FA6:FF53|talk]]) 12:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
While the majority of the edits were somewhat beneficial, there were enough errors to warrant an undo. Specifically, the spelling of multiple words was changed to reflect British english as oppossed to American (favorite vs favourite, skeptical v sceptical, etc). This article should stick with the standard Americanized English [[User:R3ap3R.inc|R3ap3R.inc]] ([[User talk:R3ap3R.inc|talk]]) 22:00, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp -->. Thanks for the suggestion, [[User:Mokadoshi|Mokadoshi]] ([[User talk:Mokadoshi|talk]]) 01:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC)


== Confused ==
:No, it should not. Please read [[WP:ENGVAR#Strong national ties to a topic]], which states that article spelling should reflect the region of the world that the article's subject is from (or associated with). This person is from the United Kingdom, and the show she appeared on is "Britain's Got Talent", thus, using British English in this article is appropriate. Re-applying those changes. <span style="white-space:nowrap">— [[User:Huntster|Huntster]] <small>([[User talk:Huntster|t]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Huntster|@]] • [[Special:Contributions/Huntster|c]])</small></span> 23:01, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
::I stand corrected; carry on [[User:R3ap3R.inc|R3ap3R.inc]] ([[User talk:R3ap3R.inc|talk]]) 01:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


''Boyle became the first female artist in history to have a number one album simultaneously in both the United Kingdom and United States within the space of a year.'' This is in the opening of the article. Does this make sense or am I missing something? [[User:Tuzapicabit|Tuzapicabit]] ([[User talk:Tuzapicabit|talk]]) 00:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
== viral ==


:This is what the ref at the end of the paragraph says, emphasis mine:
According to Wiktionary, the meaning of "viral" whcih the section here apparently using is as an adjective. Should a section be headed by an adjective? Also, should a section be headed by a relatively rare word? Should we expect a lot of our readers to have to go searching for the meaning of a heading? [[Special:Contributions/211.225.37.54|211.225.37.54]] ([[User talk:211.225.37.54|talk]]) 23:16, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
:{{quote2|In 2010 Susan became the first female artist to have a number one album simultaneously in both the UK & the US, '''twice''' in less than 12 months.}}

:- [[Special:Contributions/2A02:560:5821:6C00:B140:3122:2709:15F2|2A02:560:5821:6C00:B140:3122:2709:15F2]] ([[User talk:2A02:560:5821:6C00:B140:3122:2709:15F2|talk]]) 08:10, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
::Does anyone who has a computer and uses Wikipedia not know what viral means? Who is to say where the intelligence threshold may lie. There's nothing wrong with having to look up one thing to understand another. This is an encyclopedia afterall. [[User:Hrhadam|Hrhadam]] ([[User talk:Hrhadam|talk]]) 23:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
::I've changed it to {{tq|The success continued with her second studio album, The Gift (2010), where she became only the third act ever (and the first woman artist) to top both the UK and US album charts with two different albums in the same year.}} which hopefully makes more sense. [[User:Mokadoshi|Mokadoshi]] ([[User talk:Mokadoshi|talk]]) 02:11, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

:::The achievement itself is so convoluted that I doubt there is a really straightforward way to describe it. ;)
:::Yes. Not one of the four people I asked (all users of Wik and one a computer programmer by training) had ever heard of viral in this sense.12:06, 14 April 2009 (UTC)12:07, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
:::- [[Special:Contributions/89.183.221.75|89.183.221.75]] ([[User talk:89.183.221.75|talk]]) 17:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

:::changed to "web" as a more appropriate heading [[User:NMChico24|NMChico24]] ([[User talk:NMChico24|talk]]) 04:04, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
::::changed to "Social Media" since web would also apply to the "mainstream" coverage. [[User:R3ap3R.inc|R3ap3R.inc]] ([[User talk:R3ap3R.inc|talk]]) 04:59, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I, like tens of thousands of others, just viewed [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s96NZoeDs68 Elaine Paige's version of "Memory"] on YouTube. I would not consider the comments on this video as a [[WP:RS]], but just a note to those who will watch the article for the long term, there is a string of "I watched this video because of Susan Boyle" comments. I predict a RS will publish the trend fairly soon. --[[User:Moni3|Moni3]] ([[User talk:Moni3|talk]]) 15:31, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

== autheticity ==
(please, editors please don't remove the following as being 'chat', although you would like to do to satisfy your sadistic desires)
I think it is obvious she has talent, but you have to wonder if she is actually more experienced than we know at the moment and possibly have even been stylized specifically to get this old maid look - the 'ordinary' look that has worked so well for the other winners of the competition. Not saying it is the case, but if there is any information out there that can clarify the issue - in one direction or the other - I just think that would very relevant to add, because she looks just so much not a star that her performance is unbelievable. I think it will a greater concern with this contestant than any of the prior ones - it will be something that people come looking to get answered. --[[Special:Contributions/80.163.2.104|80.163.2.104]] ([[User talk:80.163.2.104|talk]]) 11:02, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

:''If'' any such information is out there, then it likely would be relevant to the article. It would certainly be inappropriate for the article to discuss only the positive aspects...that would be unbalanced. However, since this is a biography, we must be very careful with what to include, to ensure that all information is absolutely accurate and not just rumour. Given her very recent entrance to the stage, pun intended, it will take time for her background to make it into the media. Patience :) <span style="white-space:nowrap">— [[User:Huntster|Huntster]] <small>([[User talk:Huntster|t]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Huntster|@]] • [[Special:Contributions/Huntster|c]])</small></span> 11:27, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

:As the AfD for this article was recently [[WP:FORUMSHOP|forum shopped]], to the help desk, I thought I'd review the article. User:80.163.2.104, might I ask you please to restrain your comments to the article and it's content. While the term "editors turd" may be an urban dictionary definition, I doubt that many contributers here would take kindly to being referred to as a "turd editor". and having their desires referred to as "sadistic". Please tone it down a touch, thanks. — <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;"><b>[[User:Ched Davis|Ched]]</b> : [[User_talk:Ched Davis|<font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;?&nbsp;</font>]]</span></small> 14:28, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

::Also, I strongly agree with Huntster; this is a BLP, and we should be careful not to be overly enthusiastic about adding information until it is verified by reliable secondary sources. At this point, I would think that her popularity on the Idol show was self-evident, and the number of YouTube hits indicates a wide interest of this topic. I would think that the coming weeks will allow a fair amount of expansion, without a need to engage in rumors, or speculation. — <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;"><b>[[User:Ched Davis|Ched]]</b> : [[User_talk:Ched Davis|<font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;?&nbsp;</font>]]</span></small> 15:35, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

==Wikinews==
I think it is worth keeping for now as it is linked from an artical in wikinews, if this does get deleted, the executioner should go to wikinews and clear the link[[User:Back ache|Back ache]] ([[User talk:Back ache|talk]]) 08:10, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

==Relevance?==
This line seems somewhat irrelevant: "Also, the submitter was awarded the most subscriptions of the day. In addition, it was awarded 99 additional honours." Who cares if the person who submitted that video got a million subscriptions? It has nothing to do with Susan Boyle herself. [[Special:Contributions/72.136.69.23|72.136.69.23]] ([[User talk:72.136.69.23|talk]]) 13:58, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

==Infobox==
Genre: Pop, why? [[User:Hzoons|Hans]] ([[User talk:Hzoons|talk]]) 14:04, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Voice type: Soprano, why? (would prefer mezzo-soprano, if these categories are even to be considered for pop singers) -- [[User:MegA|megA]] ([[User talk:MegA|talk]]) 17:50, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

== CNN article ==

Is there anything new in this article? [http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/15/talent.show/index.html?eref=rss_latest] [[User:Edhubbard|Edhubbard]] ([[User talk:Edhubbard|talk]]) 21:02, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

== International press coverage ==

If international press coverage would need some more 'proof': It was in all but one Flemish newspapers (not the financial one). [http://www.hbvl.be/nieuws/media-en-cultuur/47-jarige-gaat-paul-potts-achterna-in-britse-talentenjacht.aspx Hbvl], [http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/944/Celebrities/article/detail/818240/2009/04/14/Nieuwe-Paul-Potts-in-de-maak-bij-Britse-talentenjacht.dhtml Hln], [http://www.standaard.be/Artikel/Detail.aspx?artikelId=OL28U1G7&word=susan+boyle DS], [http://www.demorgen.be/dm/nl/1008/Showbizz/article/detail/818240/2009/04/14/Nieuwe-Paul-Potts-in-de-maak-bij-Britse-talentenjacht.dhtml DM], [http://www.gva.be/nieuws/media-en-cultuur/47-jarige-gaat-paul-potts-achterna-in-britse-talentenjacht.aspx Gva], [http://www.nieuwsblad.be/Article/Detail.aspx?ArticleID=GEU28V36C HNb] [[User:Hzoons|Hans]] ([[User talk:Hzoons|talk]]) 22:30, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

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first refernce is a dead link!rinduzahid([[User talk:Mpolat|talk]])

Semi-protected edit request on 21 November 2021

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In the popular culture section, please add the Brooklyn 99 reference made by Charles Boyle in Season 6, Episode 15. Charles says, "It's such a classic Boyle trait not to recognize talent. My cousin Susan didn't know she could sing until her late 40s."

https://metro.co.uk/2020/11/17/brooklyn-nine-nine-star-confirms-susan-boyle-fan-theory-and-backs-cameo-spot-13603575/ 97.116.96.154 (talk) 05:52, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done. Trivial WP:FANCRUFT, could be mentioned only if it's actually part of the storyline. Also, Metro is considered generally unreliable. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 10:09, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2021

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Add that Susan Boyle is a second cousin of prominent Irish politician Dan Boyle. Their grandfathers, according to this source, were brothers. https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/arid-30409651.html 212.129.75.96 (talk) 17:25, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. I don't think mentioning second cousins is terribly necessary or due. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:51, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2024

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Suggest that the comilation album "Ten (2019)" be removed from the § Discography listing.

From what I've seen in numerous other articles, when musicians have external discographies like Susan Boyle discography and {{Susan Boyle}}, the inline listing is supposed to consist strictly of studio album links - so no compilations, no EPs, no albums without articles of their own, et cetera. 2A02:560:5821:6C00:8927:F475:6FA6:FF53 (talk) 12:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Thanks for the suggestion, Mokadoshi (talk) 01:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Confused

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Boyle became the first female artist in history to have a number one album simultaneously in both the United Kingdom and United States within the space of a year. This is in the opening of the article. Does this make sense or am I missing something? Tuzapicabit (talk) 00:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is what the ref at the end of the paragraph says, emphasis mine:
- 2A02:560:5821:6C00:B140:3122:2709:15F2 (talk) 08:10, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've changed it to The success continued with her second studio album, The Gift (2010), where she became only the third act ever (and the first woman artist) to top both the UK and US album charts with two different albums in the same year. which hopefully makes more sense. Mokadoshi (talk) 02:11, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The achievement itself is so convoluted that I doubt there is a really straightforward way to describe it. ;)
- 89.183.221.75 (talk) 17:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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