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The only reason I've been mentioning about Harry Blackmun's "chronological" entry in the Supreme Court decision is to sum up the day. He wrote "Abortion decisions down. LBJ dies." I only note this to mention the role that the Supreme Court also played in paying tribute to LBJ. It is relevant, not trivia, because of who led the SCOTUS tributes. -- [[User:SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070|SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070]] ([[User talk:SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070|talk]]) |
The only reason I've been mentioning about Harry Blackmun's "chronological" entry in the Supreme Court decision is to sum up the day. He wrote "Abortion decisions down. LBJ dies." I only note this to mention the role that the Supreme Court also played in paying tribute to LBJ. It is relevant, not trivia, because of who led the SCOTUS tributes. -- [[User:SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070|SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070]] ([[User talk:SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070|talk]]) |
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⚫ | For the justices in the majority, should we keep the picture of just Harry Blackmun, as he wrote the majority opinion, or can we also add those of Chief Justice of [[Warren Burger]] and [[Thurgood Marshall]]? The only reason I'm asking this is because the big news the day of ''Roe v. Wade'' was the passing of LBJ and although both Burger and Marshall were in the majority, they also led the SCOTUS tributes on the passing. [[User:SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070|SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070]] ([[User talk:SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070|talk]]) 01:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC) |
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I used the article [[Second inauguration of Richard Nixon]] as the guide for the main reason about adding details about the passing of [[Lyndon B. Johnson|LBJ]]. The passing came on the same day as ''Roe v. Wade'' and it was big news that day. People need to know that the passing overshadowed the ruling that day. |
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== Death of LBJ == |
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:No, that's your own interpretation. You don't have support from [[WP:SECONDARY]] sources saying that LBJ's death was bigger news. [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 19:15, 12 May 2023 (UTC) |
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One thing that I mentioned here that was removed, but I feel that it needs to be mentioned is that the news of ''Roe v. Wade'' was overshadowed by that of the passing of LBJ and that both happened on the same day. The passing of LBJ overshadowed ''Roe v. Wade'' and was the banner headlines on newspapers the day after. I used [[Golden Age Nursing Home fire]] article as the guide, as that happened the day after the [[assassination of JFK]], but the news of it was overshadowed by the assassination. [[User:SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070|SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070]] ([[User talk:SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070|talk]]) 23:39, 20 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== Events that lead to reversal == |
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== Discrepancy in dates == |
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The reversal of Roe v. Wade didn't just fall out of the sky; it was a result of a multi-decade concerted effort by the [[Christian right]] to remake the federal judiciary, and was ultimately made possible by Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump. Yet this article mentions absolutely nothing about this. I have added a sentence in the lead about how it was made possible by the ideological shift during the Trump administration, but I believe more is needed in the Dobbs section. While I understand mentioning this could infringe on NPOV, the events that lead to Roe's reversal were indeed unusual and extraordinary, something people on both sides of the issue should be able to agree upon. [[User:Bneu2013|Bneu2013]] ([[User talk:Bneu2013|talk]]) 05:37, 15 June 2023 (UTC) |
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Under [[Roe v. Wade#History of the case|History of the case]], there is an apparent discrepancy between the second paragraph, which states that McCorvey discovered her pregnancy in June 1969, and the third, which states that she gave birth on June 2, 1970. Both cite apparently reliable sources, which do support the respective claims: the first date is given by Arlidge in [https://books.google.com/books?id=1Uw0DgAAQBAJ&pg=PA176 The Lawyers Who Made America], while the second is given by Prager in [https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/09/jane-roe-v-wade-baby-norma-mccorvey/620009/ Jane Roe's Baby Tells Her Story]. How should this be resolved? |
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== What Roe v Wade DID affirm vs didn't in light of the 2022 ruling == |
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Personally, looking at both sources, I'm inclined to attribute this to a mistake of fact on Arlidge's part, even if his book is generally reliable. The claim for the date of birth is more specific and more recent, and the article indicates it's based on the author's access to primary sources. Arlidge does not indicate where he got the date for his claim. [[User:Agreeable-absurdist|Agreeable-absurdist]] ([[User talk:Agreeable-absurdist|talk]]) 16:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC) |
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The text should be amended to say that it affirmed her right to privacy regarding a medical procedure. As the court ruled I. 2022, it specifically addressed privacy but did not address or affirm the right to the procedure itself. [[Special:Contributions/73.184.169.140|73.184.169.140]] ([[User talk:73.184.169.140|talk]]) 00:30, 16 June 2023 (UTC) |
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Blackmun's "Chronological" Entry
[edit]The only reason I've been mentioning about Harry Blackmun's "chronological" entry in the Supreme Court decision is to sum up the day. He wrote "Abortion decisions down. LBJ dies." I only note this to mention the role that the Supreme Court also played in paying tribute to LBJ. It is relevant, not trivia, because of who led the SCOTUS tributes. -- SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070 (talk)
Justices in the Majority
[edit]For the justices in the majority, should we keep the picture of just Harry Blackmun, as he wrote the majority opinion, or can we also add those of Chief Justice of Warren Burger and Thurgood Marshall? The only reason I'm asking this is because the big news the day of Roe v. Wade was the passing of LBJ and although both Burger and Marshall were in the majority, they also led the SCOTUS tributes on the passing. SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070 (talk) 01:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Death of LBJ
[edit]One thing that I mentioned here that was removed, but I feel that it needs to be mentioned is that the news of Roe v. Wade was overshadowed by that of the passing of LBJ and that both happened on the same day. The passing of LBJ overshadowed Roe v. Wade and was the banner headlines on newspapers the day after. I used Golden Age Nursing Home fire article as the guide, as that happened the day after the assassination of JFK, but the news of it was overshadowed by the assassination. SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070 (talk) 23:39, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Discrepancy in dates
[edit]Under History of the case, there is an apparent discrepancy between the second paragraph, which states that McCorvey discovered her pregnancy in June 1969, and the third, which states that she gave birth on June 2, 1970. Both cite apparently reliable sources, which do support the respective claims: the first date is given by Arlidge in The Lawyers Who Made America, while the second is given by Prager in Jane Roe's Baby Tells Her Story. How should this be resolved?
Personally, looking at both sources, I'm inclined to attribute this to a mistake of fact on Arlidge's part, even if his book is generally reliable. The claim for the date of birth is more specific and more recent, and the article indicates it's based on the author's access to primary sources. Arlidge does not indicate where he got the date for his claim. Agreeable-absurdist (talk) 16:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
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