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== Chris Cuomo used his media sources to find out info on brother Andrew’s accusers == |
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Should information from this article, [https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/29/cnn-host-chris-cuomo-used-sources-to-find-info-on-andrew-cuomo-accusers-records.html CNN host Chris Cuomo used his media sources to find out info on brother Andrew’s accusers, records show] be used in the article? Is this news article about Chris or about Andrew?[[User:Whoisjohngalt|Whoisjohngalt]] ([[User talk:Whoisjohngalt|talk]]) 22:36, 29 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:If there is no comments or a reach of consensus, then I will add the information from this article back into the article.[[User:Whoisjohngalt|Whoisjohngalt]] ([[User talk:Whoisjohngalt|talk]]) 15:50, 30 November 2021 (UTC) |
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::I have no idea why your addition was removed, but obviously it's worthy of inclusion and the section regarding the coverage of his brother is due for a significant expansion. CNN says it's conducting a "thorough review"[https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/29/media/chris-cuomo-documents-under-review/index.html] of documents related to the investigation and called the role Chris took in advising Andrew "intimate." A few sample texts would be good to include, along with a note that so far Chris has not addressed the revelations. [[User:Incerto501|Incerto501]] ([[User talk:Incerto501|talk]]) 16:01, 30 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:I concur that it's absolutely relevant to him. I'd say we ought to aim for a normal-sized level-3 subsection in the body and a brief mention in the lead within the sentence on Andrew Cuomo being his brother. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}}</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 21:33, 30 November 2021 (UTC) |
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==Controversies== |
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I feel like the Wikileaks subsection gets pretty close to the article just listing objectionable things Chris Cuomo has said as controversies - which is going to end up making this page a mile-long and not super helpful for folks looking for information regarding Chris Cuomo. Obviously, Cuomo has attracted a sort of hatedom[https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hatedom] on the political right - hence, I think, the flurry of recent edits to this article. Perhaps it might be better to have a subsection regarding that with some illustrative examples (there's definitely a reason his sometimes half-cocked comments made him a bit of a punching bag), rather than indulging in a pile-on of anti-Cuomo subheaders. Would be a bit delicate to pull off well, but that's my two cents. [[User:LookOnMyEditsYeMighty|<span style="background-color: maroon; color: white">LookOnMyEditsYeMighty</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:LookOnMyEditsYeMighty|<font color="grey">(talk)</font>]]</sup> 13:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:I've removed the WikiLeaks material entirely, as it did not meet [[WP:DUE]]. [[WP:CRIT]] says controversies sections that are {{tq|of the "mixed bag" kind}} are inappropriate, which is clearly the case here. Some of the Andrew Cuomo-related material doesn't seem to be controversial (e.g., the subject interviewing him and not reporting on the allegations against him), so we should not present it as if sources regard it as such. [[User:KyleJoan|<span style="font-family:Consolas; color:#CD8C95">'''K'''yle'''J'''oan</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:KyleJoan|<span style="font-family:Consolas; color:#8B6969">talk</span>]]</sup> 13:17, 1 December 2021 (UTC) |
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::Thank you, I think that's a sensible way to deal with it. [[User:LookOnMyEditsYeMighty|<span style="background-color: maroon; color: white">LookOnMyEditsYeMighty</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:LookOnMyEditsYeMighty|<font color="grey">(talk)</font>]]</sup> 20:23, 1 December 2021 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2021 == |
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{{edit semi-protected|Chris Cuomo|answered=yes}} |
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Change "Chris Cuomo is a CNN anchor" to "Chris Cuomo was a CNN anchor". He was just fired it's all over the news [[Special:Contributions/2601:648:8201:41F0:BC6C:F12D:1217:BF77|2601:648:8201:41F0:BC6C:F12D:1217:BF77]] ([[User talk:2601:648:8201:41F0:BC6C:F12D:1217:BF77|talk]]) 19:06, 1 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done for now:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> He is currently suspended, not fired. [[User:ScottishFinnishRadish|ScottishFinnishRadish]] ([[User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish|talk]]) 19:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC) |
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== Stopping Short - Sexual harassment allegation == |
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Re: Stopping short of asking him to be fired from CNN... |
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1) This source (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/24/former-abc-producer-accuses-chris-cuomo-of-sexual-harassment) states: |
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:: Ross said she did not want Cuomo to lose his job. “I hope he stays at CNN forever if he chooses,” she said. |
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:: Saying 'she did not want him to lose his job' is more definite than 'stopping short of asking him to be fired from CNN...' |
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2) The wikipedia entry is also grammatically incorrect. It should be something like: |
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:: Stopping short of asking that he be fired from CNN... |
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3) Suggestion: |
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::Though she did not want him to be fired from CNN, she said she would "like to see him journalistically repent." |
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[[Special:Contributions/94.126.214.7|94.126.214.7]] ([[User talk:94.126.214.7|talk]]) 08:14, 5 December 2021 (UTC) |
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== Was == |
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Someone change that is to was on the first line [[Special:Contributions/2603:8081:D02:2801:11FE:5530:8644:8363|2603:8081:D02:2801:11FE:5530:8644:8363]] ([[User talk:2603:8081:D02:2801:11FE:5530:8644:8363|talk]]) 18:05, 5 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:Cuomo is still alive and still a journalist, just not currently employed (as the sentences immediately following make clear). <span style="color:green">[[User:ThadeusOfNazereth|ThadeusOfNazereth]]<sup>[[User talk:ThadeusOfNazereth|Talk to Me!]]</sup></span> 00:11, 6 December 2021 (UTC) |
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== Forwarding Documents == |
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According to [https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-chris-cuomo-media-sources-andrew-cuomo-accusers Fox] : {{font color|green|Additionally, the transcript from investigators' interview with Democratic strategist and Andrew Cuomo ally Lis Smith showed Chris Cuomo had forwarded her documents regarding the governor's second accuser Charlotte Bennett and her "time in college."}}. Should this be placed on the article? While the article have stated that Cuomo used journalistic sources, sending documents is more concise and clearer and should be placed on the article. Thoughts? [[User:SunDawn|<span style="background-color:black; color:orange;">SunDawn</span>]][[User talk:SunDawn|<span style="background-color:green; color:yellow;">talk</span>]] 23:45, 5 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:That doesn't seem noteworthy. I don't know it would help readers that much to read: "Cuomo used his media sources to uncover information about his brother's accusers. He sent information about one of the accusers' activities in college to one of his brother's allies." The relevant point is that Cuomo participated in the dirt-digging, so to speak. Obviously the information would be passed around. [[User:KyleJoan|<span style="font-family:Consolas; color:#CD8C95">'''K'''yle'''J'''oan</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:KyleJoan|<span style="font-family:Consolas; color:#8B6969">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:43, 6 December 2021 (UTC) |
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== Inaccurate reasoning stated for termination == |
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The page isn't entirely correct about why CNN decided to terminate Cuomo on Saturday: |
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'''''On December 4, after an internal review conducted by a law firm, CNN terminated Cuomo's employment and said they would investigate Cuomo's "involvement with his brother's defense"''''' |
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Basically it implies that he was terminated only for the incident of his involvement with his brother Andrew, which is not accurate. Here's what the cited source says: |
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'''''CNN said in a statement: "Chris Cuomo was suspended earlier this week pending further evaluation of new information that came to light about his involvement with his brother's defense. We retained a respected law firm to conduct the review, and have terminated him, effective immediately." "While in the process of that review, additional information has come to light," CNN's statement added. "Despite the termination, we will investigate as appropriate."''''' |
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NPR has more details about the allegations: https://www.npr.org/2021/12/05/1061639233/chris-cuomo-newly-fired-from-cnn-faces-an-allegation-of-sexual-misconduct |
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In other words, they didn't terminate him only for his journalistic misconduct, but when new information (including documentary evidence) about the sexual misconduct allegations came to light, they decided to terminate him. So that bit should read something like: |
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On December 4th, CNN abruptly terminated Cuomo's employment citing additional previously unannounced sexual misconduct allegations that they received earlier in the week, which are unrelated to his alleged journalistic misconduct. CNN is currently investigating those allegations further. |
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[[Special:Contributions/97.124.152.48|97.124.152.48]] ([[User talk:97.124.152.48|talk]]) 01:43, 6 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:While the sexual allegation may be a factor of CNN's termination, it is not a proven fact. [[User:SunDawn|<span style="background-color:black; color:orange;">SunDawn</span>]][[User talk:SunDawn|<span style="background-color:green; color:yellow;">talk</span>]] 15:53, 6 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:I don't know the full story behind his firing. But, he'll likely be eventually hired by MSNBC news. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 19:16, 6 December 2021 (UTC) |
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== Is it really an internal review if it's conducted by an external law firm? == |
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Sorry if this is nitpicking, but the article currently says, "''an internal review conducted by a law firm''". Is it really an internal review if it's conducted by an external law firm? [[User:A Quest For Knowledge|A Quest For Knowledge]] ([[User talk:A Quest For Knowledge|talk]]) 22:13, 7 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:A interesting point you bring up, however in the fox news cited [[WP:RS]] it does specifically say "internal review" so, I'm not sure. You maybe could use [[WP:COMMONSENSE]] to edit it out, and see if anybody else reverts it? [[User:MaximusEditor|MaximusEditor]] ([[User talk:MaximusEditor|talk]]) 23:04, 7 December 2021 (UTC) |
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: The internal v. external is determined by what's being reviewed (i.e. CNN) not who the reviewers are. So this is very much an internal review done by external reviewers. --<span style="font-variant:small-caps; text-shadow:blue 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">--<font color="blue">Dr.</font><font color="red">Margi</font></span> [[User talk:Drmargi#top|<big>✉</big>]] 23:42, 7 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:Yes. If it were an external review, some other agency or government department or organization would be conducting it -- such as the District Attorney, the DOJ, the FBI, a media watchdog organization, an activist group, etc. Companies often conduct internal reviews on their high-profile employees or leadership when necessary, and they of necessity use outside parties such as law firms to do so, as they lack the objective expertise and specific manpower to effectively conduct a neutral and sufficiently thorough review themselves. Also, they may need legal cover for terminating him if he sues them for being terminated. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 00:52, 8 December 2021 (UTC) |
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== Katz allegation == |
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I noticed that [[Cuomo Prime Time]] had been edited to state definitively that the sexual misconduct allegation led to his termination, citing the attorney Debra Katz' [https://people.com/politics/chris-cuomo-was-accused-of-sexual-misconduct-by-former-colleague-days-before-cnn-firing/|claim to that effect.] Is there a source which corroborates this? As far as I know, CNN has focused on the Andrew Cuomo case in statements. I personally have no problem accepting Katz' statement, but have edited both articles to reflect that this has not been independently confirmed (again, as far as I know). [[User:LookOnMyEditsYeMighty|<span style="background-color: maroon; color: white">LookOnMyEditsYeMighty</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:LookOnMyEditsYeMighty|<font color="grey">(talk)</font>]]</sup> 01:27, 11 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:We can't say anything in either article that is not reported as fact in reliable sources. ''People'' magazine is not a reliable source in this matter. If someone thinks it is, they should get it approved by the [[WP:RSN]] before using it as a citation in this matter. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 03:13, 11 December 2021 (UTC) |
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== Miss you. == |
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Yet, we kill our children. !! I miss you. I know your brother was taken out of his excellent commitment and love of America because he was to big a problem for our anarchy ‘ |
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This week o attended our grandson graduation from South Lake HS. In the midst of this horrific killing of school children. Being in the focus of gun loving Tx , saw the undeniable gun rights. The undeniable love of Trumps ability to convince us of our deserved right to hold anger ! To tear down and rebuild a broken democracy. My own family believes this person. I am ashamed of us today. All of us. |
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Mary Jane Lightbody |
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