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Leaked Docs From Far-Right Militias Show History of Voter Intimidation Plans

[1] Doug Weller talk 12:32, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess my question here is whether it's as relevant as the article makes it sound. This is largely based on documents obtained by hacking (so illegally obtained and unverified) and info from the same person who got the documents. The "instructions" are clear to observe, document and report, none of which are illegal. But possibly the bigger question for me is the relevance of the "organization". There is no national org and longer and it's a bunch of small, independent groups with no real coordination or reach. Lest someone accuse me of sympathizing, I'll state this clearly: I do not support unlawful interference in the election process. I think that dudes who run around on public streets kitted out like they're heading into Mosul are knuckleheads. And I believe that Joe Biden is the president. So maybe let's skip the angst over my userbox that says I'm a conservative. In the end, this would be like finding an email between 3 suspected Klan members in GA and trying to attribute their plan to a national effort that would require the coordination of numerous small, local orgs. I'd want more evidence of coordination before I saw it as relevant to the broader topic. And I'm not saying I oppose inclusion, I am rasing a question. Niteshift36 (talk) 12:50, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Leaked Docs From Far-Right Militias Show History of Voter Intimidation Plans ==
-== Incorrect info ==
-{{atop|Nothing to do here --[[User:Jorm|Jorm]] ([[User talk:Jorm|talk]]) 17:33, 29 September 2021 (UTC)}}
-This group is NOT a militia. It is just a group of like minded friends that uphold the constitution and help each other with prepping, survival in case of emergencies such as natural disasters and also teach safe responsible firearm ownership and use.
-Also it is not dissolved as the Wikipedia page states. It is going on in full effect. [[User:Whatitdonephew2509|Whatitdonephew2509]] ([[User talk:Whatitdonephew2509|talk]]) 06:31, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
-: Please provide [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] to support any proposed edits.  [[User:EvergreenFir|'''<span style="color:#8b00ff;">Eve</span><span style="color:#6528c2;">rgr</span><span style="color:#3f5184;">een</span><span style="color:#197947;">Fir</span>''']] [[User talk:EvergreenFir|(talk)]] 06:44, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
-{{abot}}
-== "Capitol attack" ==
-{{atop|Nothing to do here --[[User:Jorm|Jorm]] ([[User talk:Jorm|talk]]) 17:34, 29 September 2021 (UTC)}}
-There was no attack on the Capitol. Stop using the wrong words. It was a mostly peaceful protest until the crowd was provoked, which then some may call a riot.
-[[User:RealTheGreatest|RealTheGreatest]] ([[User talk:RealTheGreatest|talk]]) 16:23, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
-{{re|RealTheGreatest}}
-:[[WP:RS]] are clear on the nature of that attack. [[User:EvergreenFir|'''<span style="color:#8b00ff;">Eve</span><span style="color:#6528c2;">rgr</span><span style="color:#3f5184;">een</span><span style="color:#197947;">Fir</span>''']] [[User talk:EvergreenFir|(talk)]] 16:35, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
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-== "Erroneous" claim ==
-The archived link says that no more than 3% were active in the field at one time. The sources cited to describe the claim as wrong say that 100k or 200k are for the total numbers of people who served at any point. These are, obviously, two different things.
+[https://www.wired.com/story/leaked-messages-militias-ap3-voter-intimidation-plan/?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=wired&utm_mailing=WIR_Daily_101224&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_medium=email&utm_content=WIR_Daily_101224&bxid=5be9d86c3f92a40469e75648&cndid=16554313&hasha=aa8ab805992d7c0236bf11630048f573&hashb=f3c17dce69ee79aabdc8916216fe960bf9e88caf&hashc=f3cade83f73239e9abd4b8e26c5102e6f21c22d8543dafc8c2c9c1d8833b7a90&esrc=MARTECH_ORDERFORM&utm_term=WIR_Daily_Active] [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 12:32, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
-If we are going to describe this as erroneous, we should also update [[Continental Army]] which gives a size of '80,000 at peak' — exactly the same number used to derive the 3% figure. [[Special:Contributions/73.65.167.168|73.65.167.168]] ([[User talk:73.65.167.168|talk]]) 19:21, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
+:*I guess my question here is whether it's as relevant as the article makes it sound. This is largely based on documents obtained by hacking (so illegally obtained and unverified) and info from the same person who got the documents. The "instructions" are clear to observe, document and report, none of which are illegal. But possibly the bigger question for me is the relevance of the "organization". There is no national org and longer and it's a bunch of small, independent groups with no real coordination or reach. Lest someone accuse me of sympathizing, I'll state this clearly: I do not support unlawful interference in the election process. I think that dudes who run around on public streets kitted out like they're heading into Mosul are knuckleheads. And I believe that Joe Biden is the president. So maybe let's skip the angst over my userbox that says I'm a conservative. In the end, this would be like finding an email between 3 suspected Klan members in GA and trying to attribute their plan to a national effort that would require the coordination of numerous small, local orgs. I'd want more evidence of coordination before I saw it as relevant to the broader topic. And I'm not saying I oppose inclusion, I am rasing a question. [[User:Niteshift36|Niteshift36]] ([[User talk:Niteshift36|talk]]) 12:50, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
-:Keep in mind that "80,000 at peak" means that the highest number of soldiers in the Continental Army ''at a single point in time'' was 80k. There were other soldiers before and after that point, so the actual total number of soldiers is much higher. &mdash; <b>[[User:HandThatFeeds|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:DarkBlue;cursor:help">The Hand That Feeds You</span>]]:<sup>[[User talk:HandThatFeeds|Bite]]</sup></b> 21:52, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
-::80,000 at peak does appear to be what the 3%ers claim, so the IP is right to indicate there's some between-article inconsistency. That said, [[WP:OTHERCONTENT]] applies here. [[User talk:Firefangledfeathers|Firefangledfeathers]] 21:55, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
-:::No, the 3 Percenters claim that only "3%" of citizens '''ever''' took up arms against the British. They're misunderstanding peak versus total. Which is the same confusion the IP is showing. &mdash; <b>[[User:HandThatFeeds|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:DarkBlue;cursor:help">The Hand That Feeds You</span>]]:<sup>[[User talk:HandThatFeeds|Bite]]</sup></b> 22:34, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
-::::From the ''Observer'' source: "This 'three percent' myth is born out of the claim that only 80,000 people served in the Continental Army and militia during the war. With the 1780 population estimated at 2,780,369, that gives us 2.96 percent of the country serving in George Washington’s Army." Historians apparently dispute the claim by indicating that the "active forces in the field" number was much higher. [[User talk:Firefangledfeathers|Firefangledfeathers]] 22:52, 27 November 2021 (UTC)