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Leaked Docs From Far-Right Militias Show History of Voter Intimidation Plans

[1] Doug Weller talk 12:32, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess my question here is whether it's as relevant as the article makes it sound. This is largely based on documents obtained by hacking (so illegally obtained and unverified) and info from the same person who got the documents. The "instructions" are clear to observe, document and report, none of which are illegal. But possibly the bigger question for me is the relevance of the "organization". There is no national org and longer and it's a bunch of small, independent groups with no real coordination or reach. Lest someone accuse me of sympathizing, I'll state this clearly: I do not support unlawful interference in the election process. I think that dudes who run around on public streets kitted out like they're heading into Mosul are knuckleheads. And I believe that Joe Biden is the president. So maybe let's skip the angst over my userbox that says I'm a conservative. In the end, this would be like finding an email between 3 suspected Klan members in GA and trying to attribute their plan to a national effort that would require the coordination of numerous small, local orgs. I'd want more evidence of coordination before I saw it as relevant to the broader topic. And I'm not saying I oppose inclusion, I am rasing a question. Niteshift36 (talk) 12:50, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Leaked Docs From Far-Right Militias Show History of Voter Intimidation Plans ==
-== Issues (June, 2023) ==
-{{Edit semi-protected|Three Percenters|answered=yes}}
-'''Ideology'''
+[https://www.wired.com/story/leaked-messages-militias-ap3-voter-intimidation-plan/?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=wired&utm_mailing=WIR_Daily_101224&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_medium=email&utm_content=WIR_Daily_101224&bxid=5be9d86c3f92a40469e75648&cndid=16554313&hasha=aa8ab805992d7c0236bf11630048f573&hashb=f3c17dce69ee79aabdc8916216fe960bf9e88caf&hashc=f3cade83f73239e9abd4b8e26c5102e6f21c22d8543dafc8c2c9c1d8833b7a90&esrc=MARTECH_ORDERFORM&utm_term=WIR_Daily_Active] [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 12:32, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
-The ideology is not clear. According to [[Malcolm Nance]] they are (right-)libertarian
+:*I guess my question here is whether it's as relevant as the article makes it sound. This is largely based on documents obtained by hacking (so illegally obtained and unverified) and info from the same person who got the documents. The "instructions" are clear to observe, document and report, none of which are illegal. But possibly the bigger question for me is the relevance of the "organization". There is no national org and longer and it's a bunch of small, independent groups with no real coordination or reach. Lest someone accuse me of sympathizing, I'll state this clearly: I do not support unlawful interference in the election process. I think that dudes who run around on public streets kitted out like they're heading into Mosul are knuckleheads. And I believe that Joe Biden is the president. So maybe let's skip the angst over my userbox that says I'm a conservative. In the end, this would be like finding an email between 3 suspected Klan members in GA and trying to attribute their plan to a national effort that would require the coordination of numerous small, local orgs. I'd want more evidence of coordination before I saw it as relevant to the broader topic. And I'm not saying I oppose inclusion, I am rasing a question. [[User:Niteshift36|Niteshift36]] ([[User talk:Niteshift36|talk]]) 12:50, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
-(see They Want to Kill Americans: The Militias, Terrorists, and Deranged Ideology of the Trump Insurgency, pp. 319-320)
-But today there are many more groups, without centralized (national) organization, ergo many more ideologies (e.g., social conservatives, nativists, etc.).
-'''The article needs to be updated: Is it a militia or a network of militias?'''
-''The Three Percenters (sometimes styled as III% or Threepers) is a diffuse national network of militia groups and independent activists''
-https://www.icct.nl/sites/default/files/2022-12/Gartenstein-Ross-et-al1.pdf (p. 5)
-It should be discussed whether to replace militia with:
-* Network of militia groups
-* Extremist gun rights movement
-https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/10/us/politics/three-percenter-capitol-riot.html
-*Subset of the militia movement.
-https://newlinesinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/20210225-Three-Percenter-PR-NISAP-rev051021.pdf (p. 2)
-*sub-ideology
-https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/three-percenters
-'''We need to specify which Three Percenters group we are talking about'''
-For example, III% Georgia Security Force has its own leadership (Chris Hill), while Three Percenters Original (the dissolved organization) had another leadership. The introduction talks about the leader of the last mentioned group.
-'''I noticed that there are separate article: [[Washington State Three Percenters]]'''
-I would suggest including them all in one article. [[Special:Contributions/93.45.229.98|93.45.229.98]] ([[User talk:93.45.229.98|talk]]) 11:54, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
-:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 17:39, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
-::@[[User:Voorts|Voorts]] Change "militia" to "national network of militia groups". [[Special:Contributions/93.45.229.98|93.45.229.98]] ([[User talk:93.45.229.98|talk]]) 06:22, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
-== Unable to edit this page ==
-I was going to add a disambiguation link to the top of this article, but was unable to do so since it appears to be locked from editing. Please fix this ridiculous situation! [[Special:Contributions/173.88.246.138|173.88.246.138]] ([[User talk:173.88.246.138|talk]]) 19:38, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
-:What disambiguation needs to be done here? &mdash; <b>[[User:HandThatFeeds|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:DarkBlue;cursor:help">The Hand That Feeds You</span>]]:<sup>[[User talk:HandThatFeeds|Bite]]</sup></b> 16:09, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
-== Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2023 ==
-{{edit semi-protected|Three Percenters|answered=no}}
-Request for this to be more neutral it's clearly written by someone with an agenda and needs to be more neutral [[Special:Contributions/2601:182:B00:BA50:8D0:9C63:B2C3:68AF|2601:182:B00:BA50:8D0:9C63:B2C3:68AF]] ([[User talk:2601:182:B00:BA50:8D0:9C63:B2C3:68AF|talk]]) 14:05, 30 August 2023 (UTC)