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This article was nominated for deletion on 25 October 2009. The result of the discussion was no consensus, defaulted to keep.

Recent developments

I have removed an entire paragraph that is based on a supposed quote about "Sexual Deviancy". The underlying quote for this is from an politically charged NDP press release, released in the middle of a poltically charged debate - and as noted in the paragraph removed Emmanuel disputes ever having said this.

In the absence of a reputable source for a disputed quote, and when the source of the quote denies he ever said it, it seems unfair and libelous to continue to post the smear in Wikipedia. The other citiations here, that repeat that smear, are similarly only valid if the original quote is valid, which has not been proven.

If the Wikipedia project is to succeed it must not be used by activists to smear people. It appears that in the case of Mr. Emmanuel the opposite has occurred and his bio as posted appears to be written by activists focused on their issues, and it is not a fair representation of his career.

DowntownK (talk) 19:49, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fair representation in an encyclopedia is not to change "opposition to same-sex marriage", which is accurate and neutral wording, to "championing traditional marriage". I saw the source for "sexual deviants". That was Mr. Emmanuel's own writing. If Mr. Emmanuel feels the quotes have been taken out of context, please give them context here. If sources are disputed, I believe you would argue to have them removed completely, as opposed to arguing they are only no good as sources for negative information. Lastly, when using terms like "libel" in edit summaries and "libelous" here, it is important to fully understand the definition of that legal term. If you are inclined to suggest this may become a legal matter, you should first read WP:LEGAL. Lara 16:52, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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 ==Recent developments==
+I have removed an entire paragraph that is based on a supposed quote about "Sexual Deviancy". The underlying quote for this is from an politically charged NDP press release, released in the middle of a poltically charged debate - and as noted in the paragraph removed Emmanuel disputes ever having said this.
-I've decided to remove a set of comments that I made on this page last week.  This is intended as a courtesy: although I stand by the arguments that I made at the time, I recognize that some of my remarks could be interpreted as intemperate and/or as disparaging toward the subject.
+In the absence of a reputable source for a disputed quote, and when the source of the quote denies he ever said it, it seems unfair and libelous to continue to post the smear in Wikipedia. The other citiations here, that repeat that smear, are similarly only valid if the original quote is valid, which has not been proven.
+If the Wikipedia project is to succeed it must not be used by activists to smear people. It appears that in the case of Mr. Emmanuel the opposite has occurred and his bio as posted appears to be written by activists focused on their issues, and it is not a fair representation of his career.
+[[User:DowntownK|DowntownK]] ([[User talk:DowntownK|talk]]) 19:49, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
+:Fair representation in an encyclopedia is not to change "opposition to [[same-sex marriage]]", which is accurate and neutral wording, to "championing traditional marriage". I saw the source for "sexual deviants". That was Mr. Emmanuel's own writing. If Mr. Emmanuel feels the quotes have been taken out of context, please give them context here. If sources are disputed, I believe you would argue to have them removed completely, as opposed to arguing they are only no good as sources for negative information. Lastly, when using terms like "libel" in edit summaries and "libelous" here, it is important to fully understand the definition of that legal term. If you are inclined to suggest this may become a legal matter, you should first read [[WP:LEGAL]]. <big>[[User talk:Jennavecia|<span style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:deeppink">'''Lara'''</span>]]</big> 16:52, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
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-I've made several adjustments to this biography page in recent days, taking into account concerns that have been raised by the subject and by others.  In this, I've tried to portray the subject's public history in a fair and accurate manner, erring on the side of NPOV.
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-I hold the opinion that Emmanuel is a notable public figure, and is a fair subject for a Wikipedia biography.  In light of the changes that recently have been made, I would ask that he withdraw his request that the page be deleted.  [[User:CJCurrie|CJCurrie]] ([[User talk:CJCurrie|talk]]) 00:01, 28 October 2009 (UTC)