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The result was '''no consensus'''. [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Yunshui|<sup style="font-size:90%">雲</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|<sub style="font-size:90%">水</sub>]] 10:19, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
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renominating for deletion. This was deleted through AfD, but since there was little participation last time was restored through [[WP:REFUND]]. I hope the discussion gets more participation this time so we can get consensus one way or the other. I stand by my original reasoning for deletion which was "A [[WP:SPA ]] creation. This is not an easy decision, by all accounts he does a good job, but I don't think the subject passes [[WP:NMUSICIAN]]. He is mentioned in a few newspaper articles, but I don't really see any in-depth.coverage. The most coverage I really see is a New York Times article that says "The Percussion Symphony is another matter. This mammoth work, conducted from memory by Peter Jarvis, seems to be on its way to becoming a genuine 20th-century warhorse - and with good reason. It is a riotous celebration of rhythm - colorful and even poetic." That's only a few sentences. His television work is minor and I don't believe any of his compositions pass [[WP:NMUSIC]]" [[User:Rusf10|Rusf10]] ([[User talk:Rusf10|talk]]) 04:32, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
renominating for deletion. This was deleted through AfD, but since there was little participation last time was restored through [[WP:REFUND]]. I hope the discussion gets more participation this time so we can get consensus one way or the other. I stand by my original reasoning for deletion which was "A [[WP:SPA ]] creation. This is not an easy decision, by all accounts he does a good job, but I don't think the subject passes [[WP:NMUSICIAN]]. He is mentioned in a few newspaper articles, but I don't really see any in-depth.coverage. The most coverage I really see is a New York Times article that says "The Percussion Symphony is another matter. This mammoth work, conducted from memory by Peter Jarvis, seems to be on its way to becoming a genuine 20th-century warhorse - and with good reason. It is a riotous celebration of rhythm - colorful and even poetic." That's only a few sentences. His television work is minor and I don't believe any of his compositions pass [[WP:NMUSIC]]" [[User:Rusf10|Rusf10]] ([[User talk:Rusf10|talk]]) 04:32, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
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* '''Delete''', he's a percussionist (quite whatever that is) and conductor, so however many pieces he claims to have played on, or conducted, he doesn't pass WP:GNG unless he's been noticed significantly, or had a marked success. This is just a very long CV. Claiming to have played on several recordings isn't the same as "released two or more albums on a major record label", because we don't know (or have any proof) of what he contributed to the works (otherwise every musician on an a orchestral recording would be 'notable'). While there are some indications of mentions in the 1980s (which means there are possibly pre-internet sources) there are no claims of success in the article, sourced or unsourced. Wikipedia isn't a directory of professional musicians. [[User:Sionk|Sionk]] ([[User talk:Sionk|talk]]) 19:06, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
* '''Delete''', he's a percussionist (quite whatever that is) and conductor, so however many pieces he claims to have played on, or conducted, he doesn't pass WP:GNG unless he's been noticed significantly, or had a marked success. This is just a very long CV. Claiming to have played on several recordings isn't the same as "released two or more albums on a major record label", because we don't know (or have any proof) of what he contributed to the works (otherwise every musician on an a orchestral recording would be 'notable'). While there are some indications of mentions in the 1980s (which means there are possibly pre-internet sources) there are no claims of success in the article, sourced or unsourced. Wikipedia isn't a directory of professional musicians. [[User:Sionk|Sionk]] ([[User talk:Sionk|talk]]) 19:06, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
::[[percussionist]]. [[User:Davidships|Davidships]] ([[User talk:Davidships|talk]]) 09:25, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
::[[percussionist]]. [[User:Davidships|Davidships]] ([[User talk:Davidships|talk]]) 09:25, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
:::"Quite whatever that is"? That comes off as a little derogatory. [[List of percussionists]]. [[User:Zingarese|Zingarese]] [[User talk:Zingarese#top|<small>talk</small>]] · [[Special:Contributions/Zingarese|<small>contribs</small>]] 19:19, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
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*'''Keep''' The conductor plays the largest role in the ensemble. Jarvis has, as conductor, made numerous recordings for such notable labels as Koch and CRI; as such, he passes [[WP:MUSICBIO]]. His reviews in NY Times and numerous pieces composed for him adds to his notability. [[User:Zingarese|Zingarese]] ([[User talk:Zingarese|talk]]) 01:16, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
::He hasn't released any albums. Where I can find any proof, Jarvis performed on 2 or 3 tracks of lengthy albums. And is only mentioned in the NYT reviews. [[User:Sionk|Sionk]] ([[User talk:Sionk|talk]]) 05:19, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Sionk}} Jarvis is a primary artist on [https://www.allmusic.com/album/pritsker-jarvis-duo-mw0002939830 this album] and [https://www.allmusic.com/album/music-of-peter-jarvis-and-ron-mazurek-mw0002999751 this album], both on [[Naxos Records]]. Also, he is featured as a conductor on at least six albums (that are released on what would quality as "important indie labels") listed at https://peterjarvismusic.com/discography/ , https://www.discogs.com/artist/694441-Peter-Jarvis and https://www.allmusic.com/artist/peter-jarvis-mn0001394292/credits. Yes, he is, on average, only featured in one work per these albums (one track per movement), but a lot of those works are over 20 minutes. If we say that albums are usually a minimum of 35-45 minutes in length, that would easily make the equivalent of three more albums consisting of his own recordings. [[User:Zingarese|Zingarese]] [[User talk:Zingarese#top|<small>talk</small>]] · [[Special:Contributions/Zingarese|<small>contribs</small>]] 19:19, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
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*'''Keep''' Meets NMUSICBIO and GNG. ~'''''[[User:Editorofthewiki|<span style="color: #F90000;">EDDY</span>]]'' <sup>([[User talk:Editorofthewiki|<span style="color: Green;">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Editorofthewiki|<span style="color: Green;">contribs</span>]])</sup>'''~ 23:44, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
::How does he pass MUSICBIO?--[[User:Rusf10|Rusf10]] ([[User talk:Rusf10|talk]]) 01:01, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Fails [[WP:GNG]] Don’t see how it passes. [[User:Snowycats|Snowycats]] ([[User talk:Snowycats|talk]]) 04:38, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
::{{yo|Snowycats}}Why would it be kept if it fails GNG?--[[User:Rusf10|Rusf10]] ([[User talk:Rusf10|talk]]) 17:52, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Sorry, didn’t see that. Corrected. [[User:Snowycats|Snowycats]] ([[User talk:Snowycats|talk]]) 18:05, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Yunshui  10:19, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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renominating for deletion. This was deleted through AfD, but since there was little participation last time was restored through WP:REFUND. I hope the discussion gets more participation this time so we can get consensus one way or the other. I stand by my original reasoning for deletion which was "A WP:SPA creation. This is not an easy decision, by all accounts he does a good job, but I don't think the subject passes WP:NMUSICIAN. He is mentioned in a few newspaper articles, but I don't really see any in-depth.coverage. The most coverage I really see is a New York Times article that says "The Percussion Symphony is another matter. This mammoth work, conducted from memory by Peter Jarvis, seems to be on its way to becoming a genuine 20th-century warhorse - and with good reason. It is a riotous celebration of rhythm - colorful and even poetic." That's only a few sentences. His television work is minor and I don't believe any of his compositions pass WP:NMUSIC" Rusf10 (talk) 04:32, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

* Speedy keep --Glevson geradi2 (talk) 10:30, 26 June 2018 (UTC)vote by banned user--Rusf10 (talk) 11:50, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete, he's a percussionist (quite whatever that is) and conductor, so however many pieces he claims to have played on, or conducted, he doesn't pass WP:GNG unless he's been noticed significantly, or had a marked success. This is just a very long CV. Claiming to have played on several recordings isn't the same as "released two or more albums on a major record label", because we don't know (or have any proof) of what he contributed to the works (otherwise every musician on an a orchestral recording would be 'notable'). While there are some indications of mentions in the 1980s (which means there are possibly pre-internet sources) there are no claims of success in the article, sourced or unsourced. Wikipedia isn't a directory of professional musicians. Sionk (talk) 19:06, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
percussionist. Davidships (talk) 09:25, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"Quite whatever that is"? That comes off as a little derogatory. List of percussionists. Zingarese talk · contribs 19:19, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Keep The conductor plays the largest role in the ensemble. Jarvis has, as conductor, made numerous recordings for such notable labels as Koch and CRI; as such, he passes WP:MUSICBIO. His reviews in NY Times and numerous pieces composed for him adds to his notability. Zingarese (talk) 01:16, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
He hasn't released any albums. Where I can find any proof, Jarvis performed on 2 or 3 tracks of lengthy albums. And is only mentioned in the NYT reviews. Sionk (talk) 05:19, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Sionk: Jarvis is a primary artist on this album and this album, both on Naxos Records. Also, he is featured as a conductor on at least six albums (that are released on what would quality as "important indie labels") listed at https://peterjarvismusic.com/discography/ , https://www.discogs.com/artist/694441-Peter-Jarvis and https://www.allmusic.com/artist/peter-jarvis-mn0001394292/credits. Yes, he is, on average, only featured in one work per these albums (one track per movement), but a lot of those works are over 20 minutes. If we say that albums are usually a minimum of 35-45 minutes in length, that would easily make the equivalent of three more albums consisting of his own recordings. Zingarese talk · contribs 19:19, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:25, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
How does he pass MUSICBIO?--Rusf10 (talk) 01:01, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Snowycats:Why would it be kept if it fails GNG?--Rusf10 (talk) 17:52, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, didn’t see that. Corrected. Snowycats (talk) 18:05, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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