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{{backwardscopy|title=The Essential Jimi Hendrix|author= Rotimi Ogunjob|date=2006|comments=Following concerns quite rightly raised about duplicated content between this article and the book, I did a history search on the text, looking for the run "recording regimen" and find it entered [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Jimi_Hendrix&diff=40509769&oldid=40495046 in this edit in 2006]. The red flag there: it didn't enter as one piece of cloth, but was edited from what already existed. If you look at the content as it appears in that book, which also purports to have been created in 2006, you can see that the changes in that incremental edit are all in that source. I took the text string as it appeared before that change--"went from a disciplined recording ethic"--and followed it backwards from there. It was added [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Jimi_Hendrix&diff=38916088&oldid=38911394 earlier that month] by an IP. Already in the article at the time of that addition, we find "relatively narrow neck", which text is present in that book on page 32, along with the surrounding material. A search for that in the article finds it entering in [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Jimi_Hendrix&diff=4704136&oldid=4704130 July 2004], several years before ''The Essential Jimi Hendrix'' was published. Already in the article at ''that'' time is the phrase "slipped into his bag by a fan without his knowledge" which is on page 21 of the book. This is all strongly suggestive of natural evolution here. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 23:23, 29 July 2012 (UTC)}}
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== Hendrix is actually from Renton, not Seattle ==
== Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2021 ==


Renton, as a smaller municipality in King County, is often historically conflated with Seattle. Renton's Chamber of Commerce will gladly confirm that Hendrix was born and spent much of his youth there. Hendrix is also listed as a Notable Person on [[Renton, Washington]]. [[User:Stebenthom|Stebenthom]] ([[User talk:Stebenthom|talk]]) 05:41, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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:The official Jimi Hendrix website and other reliable sources say that he was born at the King County Hospital in Seattle, which is now known as the [[Harborview Medical Center]]. Hendrix is buried in Renton and his childhood home was moved from Seattle to Renton. But I see no evidence that he was born in Renton. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 07:23, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
please change In September, they gave some of their last concerts at the Cafe au Go Go, as John Hammond Jr.'s backing group. to In September, they gave some of their last concerts at the Cafe au Go Go, as John Hammond's backing group.

John Hammond has never gone by "Jr.". He and his father do not have the same name, and his father is the "Junior" in their family line, as the father's name is John Henry Hammond II. The musician's name is John Paul Hammond. [[User:KCBlues|KCBlues]] ([[User talk:KCBlues|talk]]) 15:07, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

:{{not done}} Do you have any reliable source(s)? Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:12, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
::Have changed it to [[John P. Hammond]] anyway, although that article says {{tq|"...he is sometimes referred to as John Hammond Jr."}}. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:16, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
:::In several Hendrix bios, he is identified as "John Hammond Jr." or "John Hammond" and not as "John P. Hammond".[https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22jimi+hendrix%22+%22john+hammond%22] In a newspaper ad for the Cafe gig, he is listed as "John Hammond" (no preview). —[[User:Ojorojo|Ojorojo]] ([[User talk:Ojorojo|talk]]) 17:35, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
:::::So, is it [[John P. Hammond|this guy]] or not? I'm unable to see Roby and Schreiber (2010), so I don't know what form they have used in that source. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 17:40, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
::::::Yes, Roby uses "John Hammond Jr.", but sometimes drops the "Jr." His albums up to the 90s or so used "John Hammond".[https://www.discogs.com/artist/1223373-John-Paul-Hammond] AllMusic still uses "John Hammond, Jr."[https://www.allmusic.com/artist/john-hammond-jr-mn0001486767/biography] —[[User:Ojorojo|Ojorojo]] ([[User talk:Ojorojo|talk]]) 17:58, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
:::::::By all means ask him what he would prefer. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:04, 17 July 2021 (UTC) p.s. Brad Schreiber gets a credit at ''[[Becoming Jimi Hendrix]]'', but not here?

== Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2021 ==

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in 1970, ''Guitar Player'' named him the Rock Guitarist of the Year

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in 1970, ''[[Guitar Player]]'' named him the Rock Guitarist of the Year [[User:Rightmire|Rightmire]] ([[User talk:Rightmire|talk]]) 15:41, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
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: I assume you meant the one in the lead section and not the one lower down. The first instance after the lead appears in the "Influences" section, so I have linked that one as well. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:59, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 19 October 2021 ==

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The present text is inconsistent regarding Hendrix military career. It states that he arrived at Ft. Campbell on November 8 1961 and a letter home Hendrix writes that two weeks later he began Airborne Training. The text says he graduated from Airborne training by January 11 1962.
The existing text later states that Hendrix took 8 months to compete Airborne training. This is entirely inconsistent. Prior assignments, including Basic Training, AIT, etc are not part of Airborne training as all soldiers do that. It’s not exclusive to Airborne.
It would be more accurate to either indicate how long he was in Airborne school, or write that he completed Airborne training 8 months after enlisting.
What’s more, Airborne school is, and was, three weeks. It’s a one-shot deal. If you wash out for anything other than a temporary medical issue (like broken bone or laceration) you cannot ever attempt it again. In other words, no one can possible, ever take 8 months to complete Airborne training. [[Special:Contributions/2603:6000:9840:E07:E83D:379D:C9F1:A626|2603:6000:9840:E07:E83D:379D:C9F1:A626]] ([[User talk:2603:6000:9840:E07:E83D:379D:C9F1:A626|talk]]) 16:51, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:ScottishFinnishRadish|ScottishFinnishRadish]] ([[User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish|talk]]) 16:56, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
::Roby and Schreiber don't actually write that "Hendrix completed his paratrooper training in just over eight months" Their timeline, pp. 13–14:
::*6/61{{snd}}Begins basic training at Fort Ord, completed in eight weeks.
::*11/8/61{{snd}}Arrives at Fort Campbell, sent father letter "There's nothing but physical training and harassment here for two weeks, then when you go to jump school{{nbsp}}..."
::*1/11/62{{snd}}Receives Screaming Eagle patch, writes father "I made it in eight months and eight days."
::So it looks like eight months is the total from basic to patch, but I think the dates are more important than the elasped time. Propose to remove "in just over eight months" and leave as {{tq|"Hendrix completed his paratrooper training and, on January 11, 1962, Major General C. W. G. Rich awarded him the prestigious Screaming Eagles patch."}} OK? —[[User:Ojorojo|Ojorojo]] ([[User talk:Ojorojo|talk]]) 18:08, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
:::Done. —[[User:Ojorojo|Ojorojo]] ([[User talk:Ojorojo|talk]]) 15:38, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

== Heritage ==

Since the FA review in 2014, a new book has been published, titled ''Black-Native Autobiographical Acts: Navigating the Minefields of Authenticity'', by a San Francisco State University Professor, Sarita Cannon. Regarding [[:Harry Shapiro (author)|Harry Shapiro]] and Caesar Glebbeek's biography, which was used as the source for the WP article, she writes:[https://www.google.com/books/edition/Black_Native_Autobiographical_Acts/kIMxEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22jimi+hendrix%22+%22cherokee%22&pg=PA78&printsec=frontcover ]
{{Blockquote|While Jimi Hendrix was the first person to be inducted into the [[:Native American Music Award]] Hall of Fame{{nbsp}}... his Indian heritage has not been officially documented{{nbsp}}... In ''Electric Gypsy'', Harry Shapiro and Caesar Glebbeek provide a detailed family tree that traces Hendrix's paternal ancestry to his great-great-grandparents: a "full-blood Cherokee princess" and an "Irishman named Moore." (Shapiro and Glebbeek 1990, 6) In terms of blood quantum, this would make Jimi Hendrix one-sixteenth Cherokee (Shapiro and Glebbeek 1990, 13). Hendrix learned about his Indian ancestry from his grandmother, Nora Rose Hendrix (nee Moore) who was born in 1883 to the "Cherokee Princess's" son, Robert, and a Black woman named Fanny (Shapiro and Glebbeek 1990, 6). Shapiro and Glebbeek describe Hendrix's visits as a child to Nora in Vancouver where she told stories about her life as a vaudeville performer and recounted "Indian tales of wonder." (Shapiro and Glebbeek 1990, 34) From a young age, Hendrix knew about his native heritage and was informed by the version of Indian culture that his grandmother Nora shared with him. But no documentation of Hendrix's Cherokee blood has been found, and its absence is potentially problematic, especially given the history of appropriation of Indian cultures and identities by non-Indians.}}
Any ideas on how this be handled in the article?

—[[User:Ojorojo|Ojorojo]] ([[User talk:Ojorojo|talk]]) 16:25, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

:See the source and text I added, as well as what I cut. The "[[Cherokee Princess]]"{{sic}} claim was part of her stage persona. And his. Anyone who actually writes "[[User:Vizjim/The "Indian princess great-grandmother" principle|Cherokee Princess]]" is not a reliable source. I've spelled out in the text that the claim was part of their stage personas. And that though Hendrix does seem to have taken it more seriously than she did, it has been debunked by genealogists. I can tell you that, as much as many of us would love to claim him, sadly, no tribe claims him because it's simply not true. Native identity is not about what someone claims, it's about whether a legitimate tribe claims them. (If you don't know, I am heavily involved in [[WP:NDN|the Indigenous wikiproject]] and we deal with issues of Native identity in bios every day. See the [[Pretendian]] article, for example.) - [[User:CorbieVreccan|<span style="color: #660099;"><strong>CorbieVreccan</strong></span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:CorbieVreccan|☊]]</sup> [[WP:SPIDER|☼]] 21:36, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

:I will also add, that the Cherokee are not only the most well-documented tribe, but they have better genealogical records than most white people of the same eras. It's a myth among non-Natives that these things are hard to find out. Additionally, the [[Cherokee Nation]] has one of the most (arguably ''the'' most) liberal enrollment policies of any legitimate tribe out there. All one has to do is document '''one''' Cherokee ancestor. There are tons of people who would be eager to find that ancestor for Jimi. They tried. Hard. The ancestor isn't there. There are also a bunch of [[Cherokee heritage groups|fake Cherokee "tribes"]]. I'm sure some of those may have claimed him, but the fake groups don't require any ancestry or cultural connection at all, just a "sincere belief" that one has some ancestry. - [[User:CorbieVreccan|<span style="color: #660099;"><strong>CorbieVreccan</strong></span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:CorbieVreccan|☊]]</sup> [[WP:SPIDER|☼]] 21:44, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

::First, let me say that I'm not interested in perpetrating an idea of Hendrix's heritage that is not true. But since this is a featured article, it should reflect only what is published in reliable sources. Shapiro and Glebbeek were one of the first to publish an in-depth Hendrix bio (1990 with a genealogical chart), which was used in the article and discussed in the Cannon quote above. More recently, [[:Charles R. Cross]]' ''[[Room Full of Mirrors]]'' (2005) added to Hendrix's heritage, claiming that he was "at least one-eighth Native American". [p. 17] If it is later claimed that they were wrong, there should be a reliable source that shows this.

::After a brief search,[https://www.google.com/search?q=%22jimi+hendrix%22+%22cherokee%22&tbm=bks&ei=S4SaYbilMtOv-gT_4b6ABw&start=10&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwj49rfp_6n0AhXTl54KHf-wD3AQ8NMDegQIARBP&biw=975&bih=980&dpr=1] I could only find Cannon, who only goes as far as to say "his Indian heritage has not been officially documented{{nbsp}}... no documentation of Hendrix's Cherokee blood has been found". The online essay link you added (Shaefer 2017) says "Amateur genealogists have since cast doubt on the claim", but does not identify who they are or point out what specific errors they found in the earlier authors' research. I did googlebook searches for "sam schaefer",[https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22sam+schaefer%22] "samantha schaefer",[https://www.google.com/search?q=%22samantha+schaefer%22&tbm=bks&ei=rHiaYfqqOdTQ-gT5-ImABw&oq=%22samantha+schaefer%22&gs_l=psy-ab.12...25632.26584.0.28522.5.5.0.0.0.0.84.384.5.5.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.gi0dvYYaTrk] and "schaefer" + "hendrix",[https://www.google.com/search?q=%22schaefer%22+%22hendrix%22&tbm=bks&ei=yXiaYcf7N4TW-wTqjID4Bg&oq=%22schaefer%22+%22hendrix%22&gs_l=psy-ab.12...84964.95398.0.97467.19.18.0.0.0.0.360.1893.13j4j0j1.18.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..5.8.932...33i299k1j0i333k1.0.XPiJIYc8xi4] but didn't find that they published any books. Also, "schaefer" + "Racial Ambiguity and Mid-twentieth Century American Musicians",[https://www.google.com/search?q=%22schaefer%22++%22Racial+Ambiguity+and+Mid-twentieth+Century+American+Musicians%22&tbm=bks&ei=7XmaYcH4HIL_-wSK_LjwBg&oq=%22schaefer%22++%22Racial+Ambiguity+and+Mid-twentieth+Century+American+Musicians%22&gs_l=psy-ab.12...31427.40348.0.42209.23.21.0.0.0.0.154.2122.11j9.20.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..12.0.0....0.nbR9xULMMtU] doesn't show any results. Cannon's book, which has a chapter on Hendrix (32 pages), was published four years after Schafer's essay. It seems unusual that she does not cite Schaefer if Schaefer is a known expert nor mention the results of newer genealogical research if it is available. Are there any more reliable sources which show that Hendrix's Indian heritage has actually been debunked and is not just lacking in documentation?

::—[[User:Ojorojo|Ojorojo]] ([[User talk:Ojorojo|talk]]) 17:47, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

:::What proof of heritage has ever been offered besides his accounts of his grandmother's stories?
:::The "aspects of Indian culture" he "adopted" for his stage persona were not Cherokee. They were [[pretendian]] - based on Hollywood and vaudeville stereotypes, as had been his grandmother's stage persona. The stereoptypes were mix and match Plains/African/Creole/invented. There was absolutely nothing indicating a Cherokee heritage, cultural connection, or cultural knowledge. Not a single thing. I'm sorry, but we see these things all the time, and it's very clear he was, most likely with utter sincerity, operating under a [[User:Vizjim/The "Indian princess great-grandmother" principle|blood myth]]. His claims were of recent heritage. Were they true, he'd have proud cousins in community, right now, claiming him.
:::Most non-Natives, including non-Native genealogists, don't know about the extensive genealogical records kept by the Cherokee, and don't have access to them. Family stories of blood myths aren't reliable. Watch Dr. Gates' documentary on this issue in Black families. Just as many white families invented stories of "Indian" ancestors to hide their Black ancestors, many Black families invented Native stories to hide painful (or simply less-appealing) stories of white ancestors. If he had any Cherokee ancestry, we'd have proof. It would have been published long ago. And I'd be able to make a phone call right now and confirm it.
:::Tribal officials rarely go to the trouble of making official statements about false claimants (though these things are discussed all the time, informally). I only know of a few times they've done it, and it's generally been in more recent years when a person has said or done something harmful. Aside from some stereotypes with the "exoticism", that many were engaging in at the time, Hendrix was not someone most would see as harmful in any way, so I think many looked the other way. I know some even wish it were true, being fans. But that doesn't mean we can leave a falsehood in on WP. And, FWIW, the [[NAMMYs]] are kind of a joke. They routinely include pretendians in their "Native" categories and award people who promote stereoypes. - [[User:CorbieVreccan|<span style="color: #660099;"><strong>CorbieVreccan</strong></span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:CorbieVreccan|☊]]</sup> [[WP:SPIDER|☼]] 20:05, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
This looks like a case of [[:WP:CONFLICTING|conflicting sources]]. On one hand, several Hendrix biographers have noted Hendrix's Indian or Cherokee "heritage" and on the other, an academic asserts that this has not been officially documented, which causes certain problems. Currently, the main article only includes <s>one mention of Indian heritage (his mother's "alleged Cherokee heritage", Cross p. 12)</s> [only Cross claims this, now removed] and his induction into the Native American Music Hall of Fame. One footnote includes material with Schafer as the source. As outlined above, Schaefer does not appear to meet the "Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established subject-matter expert, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications" exception in [[:WP:SELFPUBLISH]]. The footnote also includes material from ''The Blood of Entertainers: The Life and Times of Jimi Hendrix's Paternal Grandparents'', an article by Hendrix's sister, Janie. It provides details about their grandmother's Cherokee heritage and vaudeville career, which may also be unsuitable.

Propose to <s>remove "alleged Cherokee heritage" from the second paragraph and </s>[done] reword the first along the lines of:
{{block quote|Jimi Hendrix's heritage was [[African American]] and [[Irish people|Irish]]. His paternal grandfather, Bertran Philander Ross Hendrix, was born in 1866 out of an extramarital affair between a woman named Fanny and a grain merchant from Urbana, Ohio, or Illinois, one of the wealthiest men in the area at that time.<ref>{{harvnb|Hendrix|1999|p=10}}: (primary source); {{harvnb|Shapiro|Glebbeek|1995|pp=5–7}}: (secondary source).</ref>{{sfn|Brown|1992|pp=6–7}}{{refn|group=nb|Author Charles R. Cross in ''[[Room Full of Mirrors]]'' writes "He [Hendrix's paternal grandfather, Bertran Philander Ross Hendrix] was born out of wedlock, and from the biracial coupling of his mother, a former slave, and a white merchant who had once owned her."{{sfn|Cross|2005|p=16}}}} Hendrix's paternal grandmother, Zenora "Nora" Rose Moore, was a former dancer,{{efn|Hendrix biographers have identified Nora as having a grandmother{{sfn|Shapiro|Glebbeek|1990|p=13}} or great-grandmother{{sfn|Cross|2005|p=17}} who was full-blooded Cherokee. However, an academic book published in 2021 includes "From a young age, Hendrix knew about his native heritage and was informed by the version of Indian culture that his grandmother Nora shared with him. But no documentation of Hendrix's Cherokee blood has been found, and its absence is potentially problematic, especially given the history of appropriation of Indian cultures and identities by non-Indians."{{sfn|Cannon|2021|p=78}}}} and the two met and married while traveling the U.S. in a vaudeville troupe.{{sfn|Shapiro|Glebbeek|1995|pp=5–6, 13, 746–747}} Hendrix and Moore relocated to Vancouver, where they had a son they named James Allen Hendrix on June 10, 1919; the family called him "Al".<ref>{{harvnb|Hendrix|1999|p=10}}: Jimi's father's full name; {{harvnb|Shapiro|Glebbeek|1995|pp=8–9}}: Al Hendrix' birthdate; {{harvnb|Shapiro|Glebbeek|1995|pp=746–747}}: Hendrix family tree.</ref>}}
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I believe this removes any perceived falsehoods. I'm not sure how to handle the NAMMY, except to link the same footnote as above.

—[[User:Ojorojo|Ojorojo]] ([[User talk:Ojorojo|talk]]) 18:22, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

:There are still problems with the wording that gloss over these biographers inability to either understand, or reliably report on, Cherokee heritage - notably their culturally inaccurate terminology. Also, Ojorojo, this is important: '''It is not up to academics to say who is and is not Cherokee. It is up to the Cherokee people. They say Hendrix is not Cherokee.''' Self-claims, which are all Hendrix has, do not count.
:I'll take a pass at it:

{{block quote|Jimi Hendrix's heritage was [[African American]] and [[Irish people|Irish]]. His paternal grandfather, Bertran Philander Ross Hendrix, was born in 1866 out of an extramarital affair between a woman named Fanny and a grain merchant from Urbana, Ohio, or Illinois, one of the wealthiest men in the area at that time.<ref>{{harvnb|Hendrix|1999|p=10}}: (primary source); {{harvnb|Shapiro|Glebbeek|1995|pp=5–7}}: (secondary source).</ref>{{sfn|Brown|1992|pp=6–7}}{{refn|group=nb|Author Charles R. Cross in ''[[Room Full of Mirrors]]'' writes "He [Hendrix's paternal grandfather, Bertran Philander Ross Hendrix] was born out of wedlock, and from the biracial coupling of his mother, a former slave, and a white merchant who had once owned her."{{sfn|Cross|2005|p=16}}}} Hendrix's paternal grandmother, Zenora "Nora" Rose Moore, was a former dancer and vaudeville performer who would prove to be a profound influence on the young Hendrix.{{efn|Several biographers have noted that Nora alternately claimed to have had a grandmother {{sfn|Shapiro|Glebbeek|1990|p=13}} or great-grandmother{{sfn|Cross|2005|p=17}} who was "a full-blooded [[Cherokee Princess]]"{{sic}}. However, an academic book published in 2021 includes "From a young age, Hendrix knew about his native heritage and was informed by the version of Indian culture that his grandmother Nora shared with him. But no documentation of Hendrix's Cherokee blood has been found, and its absence is potentially problematic, especially given the history of appropriation of Indian cultures and identities by non-Indians."{{sfn|Cannon|2021|p=78}}{{sfn|Shapiro|Glebbeek|1995|pp=5–6, 13, 746–747}} Additionally, the Cherokee did not have "Princesses", but this nomenclature is very common among non-Natives who claim Cherokee identities for ancestors who were actually white or Black.<ref name=CherokeePrincess>{{cite chapter |first=Joel W. |last=Martin |title='My Grandmother Was a Cherokee Princess': Representations of Indians in Southern History |work=Dressing in Feathers: The Construction of the Indian in Popular Culture |editor-first=Elizabeth |editor-last=Bird |location=London |publisher=Routledge |year=1996}}</ref><ref name=HeaddressCherokeePrincesses>{{cite web |url=https://indiancountrytoday.com/archive/oh-pharrell-is-part-native-american-heres-why-it-doesnt-matter|author=ICT Staff |title=Oh, Pharrell Is Part Native American? Here's Why It Doesn't Matter - Does some Native American heritage make it OK for Pharrell Williams to wear a feather headdress? No -- and here are four reasons why it doesn't|work=[[Indian Country Today]]|date=June 4, 2014 |access-date=November 20, 2021|quote=By the way, the Cherokee did not have "princesses" and did not wear feather headdresses}}</ref>}} Hendrix and Moore relocated to Vancouver, where they had a son they named James Allen Hendrix on June 10, 1919; the family called him "Al".<ref>{{harvnb|Hendrix|1999|p=10}}: Jimi's father's full name; {{harvnb|Shapiro|Glebbeek|1995|pp=8–9}}: Al Hendrix' birthdate; {{harvnb|Shapiro|Glebbeek|1995|pp=746–747}}: Hendrix family tree.</ref>}}

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It's important, especially for a FA, to stick to the sources. The two cited biographers both have not "noted that Nora alternately claimed" anything. She died in 1984, well before either bio was written. Shapiro includes a long list of acknowledgements, including several Hendrix family members (but not Nora) and genealogical libraries; Cross does likewise, but no genealogical libraries. Cross does not list the earlier grandmothers by name, so it's not clear why he differs from Shapiro's genealogical chart. My earlier wording is accurate{{snd}}wherever they got their information, they present it as simple statements, with no "according to" or "as claimed by".

Also, neither source says that Nora was a "profound influence on the young Hendrix", but rather that Jimi liked her a lot and enjoyed listening to her stories. It sounds more like what Janie Hendrix wrote in her article, but, being a primary source, she probably shouldn't be used. So, unless you have some more reliable sources, these changes shouldn't be made (but the last sentence you've added is OK).

—[[User:Ojorojo|Ojorojo]] ([[User talk:Ojorojo|talk]]) 19:45, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

:{{block quote|Jimi Hendrix's heritage was [[African American]] and [[Irish people|Irish]]. His paternal grandfather, Bertran Philander Ross Hendrix, was born in 1866 out of an extramarital affair between a woman named Fanny and a grain merchant from Urbana, Ohio, or Illinois, one of the wealthiest men in the area at that time.<ref>{{harvnb|Hendrix|1999|p=10}}: (primary source); {{harvnb|Shapiro|Glebbeek|1995|pp=5–7}}: (secondary source).</ref>{{sfn|Brown|1992|pp=6–7}}{{refn|group=nb|Author Charles R. Cross in ''[[Room Full of Mirrors]]'' writes "He [Hendrix's paternal grandfather, Bertran Philander Ross Hendrix] was born out of wedlock, and from the biracial coupling of his mother, a former slave, and a white merchant who had once owned her."{{sfn|Cross|2005|p=16}}}} Hendrix's paternal grandmother, Zenora "Nora" Rose Moore, was a former dancer and vaudeville performer.{{efn|Non-Native biographers have written that Nora claimed to have a grandmother {{sfn|Shapiro|Glebbeek|1990|p=13}} or great-grandmother{{sfn|Cross|2005|p=17}} who was "a full-blooded [[Cherokee Princess]]"{{sic}}. However, the Cherokee have extensive genealogical records, making them some of the most-documented people in the world,<ref name=ExtensiveRecords>{{cite web|url=http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/07/10/open-letter-defenders-andrea-smith-clearing-misconceptions-about-cherokee-identification|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150715021145/http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/07/10/open-letter-defenders-andrea-smith-clearing-misconceptions-about-cherokee-identification|title=An Open Letter to Defenders of Andrea Smith: Clearing Up Misconceptions about Cherokee Identification - ICTMN.com|archive-date=15 July 2015 |website= indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com}}</ref> and no Cherokee tribe has ever claimed Hendrix. An academic book published in 2021 notes that "no documentation of Hendrix's Cherokee blood has been found, and its absence is potentially problematic, especially given the history of appropriation of Indian cultures and identities by non-Indians."{{sfn|Cannon|2021|p=78}}{{sfn|Shapiro|Glebbeek|1995|pp=5–6, 13, 746–747}} Additionally, the Cherokee did not have "Princesses", but this nomenclature is very common among non-Natives who claim Cherokee identities for ancestors who were actually white or Black.<ref name=CherokeePrincess>{{cite chapter |first=Joel W. |last=Martin |title='My Grandmother Was a Cherokee Princess': Representations of Indians in Southern History |work=Dressing in Feathers: The Construction of the Indian in Popular Culture |editor-first=Elizabeth |editor-last=Bird |location=London |publisher=Routledge |year=1996}}</ref><ref name=HeaddressCherokeePrincesses>{{cite web |url=https://indiancountrytoday.com/archive/oh-pharrell-is-part-native-american-heres-why-it-doesnt-matter|author=ICT Staff |title=Oh, Pharrell Is Part Native American? Here's Why It Doesn't Matter - Does some Native American heritage make it OK for Pharrell Williams to wear a feather headdress? No -- and here are four reasons why it doesn't|work=[[Indian Country Today]]|date=June 4, 2014 |access-date=November 20, 2021|quote=By the way, the Cherokee did not have "princesses" and did not wear feather headdresses}}</ref>}} Hendrix and Moore relocated to Vancouver, where they had a son they named James Allen Hendrix on June 10, 1919; the family called him "Al".<ref>{{harvnb|Hendrix|1999|p=10}}: Jimi's father's full name; {{harvnb|Shapiro|Glebbeek|1995|pp=8–9}}: Al Hendrix' birthdate; {{harvnb|Shapiro|Glebbeek|1995|pp=746–747}}: Hendrix family tree.</ref>}}
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:More concise, less false claims to distract. She can't have "shared Native culture with him" if she wasn't Native. And given what he presented as "Native culture", I'm sorry, but that's not what happened. I have the utmost compassion for his belief in this [[WP:BLOODMYTH|blood myth]], but that's clearly what it was - a myth. - [[User:CorbieVreccan|<span style="color: #660099;"><strong>CorbieVreccan</strong></span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:CorbieVreccan|☊]]</sup> [[WP:SPIDER|☼]] 19:49, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
::But for WP purposes, it only matters what reliable sources have to say. The first paragraph has been added, but there are still problems with the footnotes. Again, the first sentence is simply untrue{{snd}}none of the sources say nor imply this. There is no record that Nora, Jimi, or other family members referred to a "Cherokee princess". Shapiro and Glebbeek appear to be the only ones who use the term and they do not attribute to to anyone. I found an additional reliable source that specifically says that Hendrix is "not enrolled in any Cherokee tribe". More has been trimmed and clarified.{{efn|Several Hendrix biographers have noted Hendrix's Cherokee heritage.{{sfn|Cross|2005|p=17}}{{sfn|Brown|1992|p=6}}{{sfn|Whitaker|2011|p=}} Shapiro and Glebbeek identify Nora's grandmother
as a "full-blood Cherokee princess" in their 1990 biography,{{sfn|Shapiro|Glebbeek|1990|p=13}} although there is no record of Hendrix or his family members referring to a "Cherokee princess" (the Cherokee did not have "princesses", but this nomenclature is very common among non-Natives who claim Cherokee identities for ancestors who were actually white or Black.<ref name=CherokeePrincess>{{cite chapter |first=Joel W. |last=Martin |title='My Grandmother Was a Cherokee Princess': Representations of Indians in Southern History |work=Dressing in Feathers: The Construction of the Indian in Popular Culture |editor-first=Elizabeth |editor-last=Bird |location=London |publisher=Routledge |year=1996}}</ref><ref name=HeaddressCherokeePrincesses>{{cite web |url=https://indiancountrytoday.com/archive/oh-pharrell-is-part-native-american-heres-why-it-doesnt-matter|author=ICT Staff |title=Oh, Pharrell Is Part Native American? Here's Why It Doesn't Matter - Does some Native American heritage make it OK for Pharrell Williams to wear a feather headdress? No -- and here are four reasons why it doesn't|work=[[Indian Country Today]]|date=June 4, 2014 |access-date=November 20, 2021|quote=By the way, the Cherokee did not have "princesses" and did not wear feather headdresses}}</ref>) However, Jimi was not "enrolled in any Cherokee tribe"{{sfn|Wolfram|Reaser|2014|p=193}} and "no documentation of Hendrix's Cherokee blood has been found, and its absence is potentially problematic, especially given the history of appropriation of Indian cultures and identities by non-Indians."{{sfn|Cannon|2021|p=78}} However, Hendrix apparently "believed it [his Cherokee heritage] and was shaped by it" and there is "nothing to suggest that Hendrix was deliberately 'playing Indian' through his clothing and accessories".{{sfn|Cannon|2021|pp=79, 96}}}}
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::—[[User:Ojorojo|Ojorojo]] ([[User talk:Ojorojo|talk]]) 16:23, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
:::Some clarification is probably needed regarding Hendrix's NAMMY in another footnote under "Recognition and awards".{{efn|"The Nammys rest their definition of Indian music upon broadly drawn ethnic lines, circumventing issues of tribal enrollment and reservation-urban divisions. This is most evident in the selection of individuals to the NAMA Hall of Fame [and have] inducted mainstream stars like{{nbsp}}... Jimi Hendrix".{{sfn|Hoffman|2012|p=236}} Reference works with native topics, such as the ''Encyclopedia of Native American Music of North America'', ''The Encyclopedia of Native Music'', and ''A Cherokee Encyclopedia'', list Hendrix among those with native or Cherokee roots.{{sfn|Keilor|Archambault|Kelly|2013|p=4}}{{sfn|Wright-McLeod|2005|p=330}}{{sfn|Conley|2007|loc=eBook}}}}
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::—[[User:Ojorojo|Ojorojo]] ([[User talk:Ojorojo|talk]]) 17:56, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

You don't seem to me to have read the guidelines I asked you to read about what is and is not a reliable source for Indigenous identity. Have you read [[WP:BLOODMYTH|The guidelines by the Indigenous wikiproject on this issue]]?
Anything can call itself "Native", but if they list known non-Natives, they are not RS. - [[User:CorbieVreccan|<span style="color: #660099;"><strong>CorbieVreccan</strong></span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:CorbieVreccan|☊]]</sup> [[WP:SPIDER|☼]] 20:49, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

{{efn|Several non-Native Hendrix biographers have noted Hendrix's belief that he had Cherokee heritage.{{sfn|Cross|2005|p=17}}{{sfn|Brown|1992|p=6}}{{sfn|Whitaker|2011|p=}} Shapiro and Glebbeek write that Nora's grandmother was a "full-blood Cherokee princess"{{sic}} in their 1990 biography,{{sfn|Shapiro|Glebbeek|1990|p=13}} although there is no known record of Hendrix or his family members referring to a "[[Cherokee princess]]" (the Cherokee did not have "princesses", but this nomenclature is very common among non-Natives who claim Cherokee identities for ancestors who were actually white or Black.<ref name=CherokeePrincess>{{cite chapter |first=Joel W. |last=Martin |title='My Grandmother Was a Cherokee Princess': Representations of Indians in Southern History |work=Dressing in Feathers: The Construction of the Indian in Popular Culture |editor-first=Elizabeth |editor-last=Bird |location=London |publisher=Routledge |year=1996}}</ref><ref name=HeaddressCherokeePrincesses>{{cite web |url=https://indiancountrytoday.com/archive/oh-pharrell-is-part-native-american-heres-why-it-doesnt-matter|author=ICT Staff |title=Oh, Pharrell Is Part Native American? Here's Why It Doesn't Matter - Does some Native American heritage make it OK for Pharrell Williams to wear a feather headdress? No -- and here are four reasons why it doesn't|work=[[Indian Country Today]]|date=June 4, 2014 |access-date=November 20, 2021|quote=By the way, the Cherokee did not have "princesses" and did not wear feather headdresses}}</ref>) Hendrix was not "enrolled in any Cherokee tribe"{{sfn|Wolfram|Reaser|2014|p=193}} and "no documentation of Hendrix's Cherokee blood has been found, and its absence is potentially problematic, especially given the history of appropriation of Indian cultures and identities by non-Indians."{{sfn|Cannon|2021|p=78}}}}
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{{efn|"The Nammys rest their definition of Indian music upon broadly drawn ethnic lines, circumventing issues of tribal enrollment and reservation-urban divisions. This is most evident in the selection of individuals to the NAMA Hall of Fame [and have] inducted mainstream stars like{{nbsp}}... Jimi Hendrix".{{sfn|Hoffman|2012|p=236}}}}

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One non-Native author's opinion about whether or not someone was [[Playing Indian]] is insufficient for inclusion in something like this. It's opinion. If that is to be included, so should the source I cited, on an academic website, that discussed his conscious use of "racial exoticism" as part of his stage persona. I cringe writing that, as I love Hendrix, but it's true. As are the quotes where he also claimed to be Cuban and "from Mars". It was showmanship. - [[User:CorbieVreccan|<span style="color: #660099;"><strong>CorbieVreccan</strong></span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:CorbieVreccan|☊]]</sup> [[WP:SPIDER|☼]] 21:07, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
:The mention of the native-topic encyclopedias was to provide some context for Hendrix's NAMMY, otherwise it might seem like a random choice to readers who may have skipped over the Ancestry section. They weren't sources for his ethnicity, so they really aren't needed. Regarding the rest: Hendrix had a peculiar way of expressing himself and used a lot of imagery and humor. Being Cuban and from Mars were clearly jokes, but I honestly don't believe that being part Cherokee was one or that he was intending to deceive or using it as just another gimmick. Added the latest version. —[[User:Ojorojo|Ojorojo]] ([[User talk:Ojorojo|talk]]) 00:35, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

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==Good Article Nomination==
== Ankle injury/ medical discharge ==
This is a really great article that good authors have clearly devoted a lot of time to. It should be nominated for [[WP:GAN|Good Article Review]]. [[User:Reeeeet|Reeeeet]] ([[User talk:Reeeeet|talk]])It just needs something about when he started going by "Jimi." [[User:NjtoTX|NjtoTX]] ([[User talk:NjtoTX|talk]]) 23:03, 4 September 2024 (UTC)


== 101st Airborn Division ==
"Hendrix...lied that he had received a medical discharge after breaking his ankle during his 26th parachute jump.[61][nb 9]"


According to Wikipedia, Dan Inosanto, a Filipino martial artist and close friend of Bruce Lee, was also in the 101st Airborn Division as a paratrooper from 1959 to 1961. There is a slim possibility that he and Jimi Hendrix crossed paths in 1961. Dan is 88 years old in 2024. It would be fascinating to know if they did, and to document it. [[Special:Contributions/24.246.125.95|24.246.125.95]] ([[User talk:24.246.125.95|talk]]) 15:58, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
The source support for him "lying" about his ankle injury seems to be pretty weak. In the major Hendrix documentary "Hear My Train A' Comin'" the medical discharge for a broken ankle is presented as factual. There are other sources that say his military records mention an ankle injury as the reason for his honorable medical discharge. Unless there's conclusive evidence that he lied about the ankle injury, then the most one can say is that some sources say he did have such an injury and others say he lied about it. [[User:TheBlinkster|TheBlinkster]] ([[User talk:TheBlinkster|talk]]) 07:11, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

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Hendrix is actually from Renton, not Seattle

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Renton, as a smaller municipality in King County, is often historically conflated with Seattle. Renton's Chamber of Commerce will gladly confirm that Hendrix was born and spent much of his youth there. Hendrix is also listed as a Notable Person on Renton, Washington. Stebenthom (talk) 05:41, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The official Jimi Hendrix website and other reliable sources say that he was born at the King County Hospital in Seattle, which is now known as the Harborview Medical Center. Hendrix is buried in Renton and his childhood home was moved from Seattle to Renton. But I see no evidence that he was born in Renton. Cullen328 (talk) 07:23, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This is a really great article that good authors have clearly devoted a lot of time to. It should be nominated for Good Article Review. Reeeeet (talk)It just needs something about when he started going by "Jimi." NjtoTX (talk) 23:03, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

101st Airborn Division

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According to Wikipedia, Dan Inosanto, a Filipino martial artist and close friend of Bruce Lee, was also in the 101st Airborn Division as a paratrooper from 1959 to 1961. There is a slim possibility that he and Jimi Hendrix crossed paths in 1961. Dan is 88 years old in 2024. It would be fascinating to know if they did, and to document it. 24.246.125.95 (talk) 15:58, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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