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What, again? Sorry to see this, Andy. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 18:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC). |
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== September 2010 == |
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* The following is the log entry regarding this warning: [[Communist terrorism]] was [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Communist+terrorism&diff=386659766&oldid=386655349 changed] by [[Special:Contributions/AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] [[User:AndyTheGrump|(u)]] [[User talk:AndyTheGrump|(t)]] deleting 11449 characters on 2010-09-24T01:44:02+00:00 <!-- MySQL ID: 669759 -->. Thank you. <!-- Template:uw-cluebotwarning1 --><!-- Template:uw-vandalism1 --> [[User:ClueBot|ClueBot]] ([[User talk:ClueBot|talk]]) 01:44, 24 September 2010 (UTC) |
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== Arbitration case request declined == |
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[[Image:Information.svg|25px]] Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did with <span class="plainlinks">[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_terrorism?diff=386661401 this edit]</span> to the page [[:Communist terrorism]]. Such edits constitute [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|vandalism]] and are [[Help:Reverting|reverted]]. Please do not continue to make unconstructive edits to pages; use the [[Wikipedia:Sandbox|sandbox]] for testing. Thank you. <!-- Template:uw-huggle2 --> [[User:Access Denied|<font color="red">Access Denied</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Access Denied|<font color="black">[FATAL ERROR]</font>]]</sup> 01:54, 24 September 2010 (UTC) |
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Stop, take a deep breath, and just ignore him. Please work on other areas of the wiki instead. [[User:TeleComNasSprVen|<font color="red">:| TelCo</font>]][[User talk:TCNSV|<font color="green">NaSp</font>]][[User:TCNSV/PMD|<font face="Showcard Gothic" color="blue">Ve :|</font>]] 02:29, 24 September 2010 (UTC) |
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== Is there any point in trying to contribute to a project where good-faith reverts are treated as vandalism? == |
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I'm new to Wikipedia editing. I'd like to help. If I'm to be labelled as a 'vandal' by someone who thinks that 'Access Denied' is a valid user name (and doesn't appear to have looked into the past history of the article in question), I don't see why I should bother... |
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:I think Access Denied is a perfectly valid username...and you removed half the communist terrorism article. I don't think it was vandalism, but it also should not have been done without discussion first. Good intent, but the wrong way of approaching it, in my opinion. [[w:User:Ks0stm|<font color="009900" ><b>Ks0stm</b></font>]] <span style="border:1px solid #ffa500;background:#ffce7b;"><small>If you reply here, please leave me a {{[[Template:Talkback|Talkback]]}} message on [[User talk:Ks0stm|my talk page]].</small></span> 02:40, 24 September 2010 (UTC) |
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:: I disagree about 'Access Denied' being valid (to a newcomer like me, it looks authoritative), but I'll leave that for the moment, and explain why I made the revert I did: this article has been repeatedly reverted to two different versions, one of which was clearly on-topic, at least as I saw it, and another that was a synthesis that made little sense except as an attempt to advance a POV, and made the remaining segments of the article look like an afterthought. I'd agree that 'take it to discussion first' is a good general principle, but it wasn't me that wanted to start this argument in the first place. I seem to have got caught in the crossfire, for no better reason than having an opinion. |
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::: I would have been more willing to reconsider if you had left me a civil note at my talkpage instead of harassing me at UAA and at my editor review. [[User:Access Denied|<font color="red">Access Denied</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Access Denied|<font color="black">[FATAL ERROR]</font>]]</sup> 02:58, 24 September 2010 (UTC) |
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:::: I don't consider pointing out that a newcomer might consider your username a claim to authority over Wikipedia to be harassment. Perhaps you could explain why you chose it? And while you are at it, can you let me know whether you looked into the history of the 'Communist_terrorism' article before you labelled my revert as vandalism? Actually, don't bother. If this is the way that Wikipedia greets newcomers then you can play with it all by yourselves... |
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::::: In all my time reverting vandalism by newcomers (probably at least a thousand reverts) I have never received complaints about my user name. Plus, it's much better than [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:I_like_pie_it_tastes_good&redirect=no my old one], which could be considered very mildly disruptive by some. [[User:Access Denied|<font color="red">Access Denied</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Access Denied|<font color="black">[FATAL ERROR]</font>]]</sup> 03:15, 24 September 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::: Also, please sign your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>; this will automaticaly append your [[WP:SIGNATURE|signature]]. [[User:Access Denied|<font color="red">Access Denied</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Access Denied|<font color="black">[FATAL ERROR]</font>]]</sup> 03:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::: OK I forgot to sign my post. Is that the most important thing to you? More important than actually addressing the points I raised? Or are you going to let me know (a) whether you think a newcomer might find your username misleading (and if not, why you chose it)?, and (b) whether you read the 'communist terrorism' article history before you labelled my revert as vandalism?[[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump#top|talk]]) 03:24, 24 September 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::::If I were a newcomer, I would not find Access Denied any more misleading than I did [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ks0stm&oldid=134403113 Evolauxia] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ks0stm&direction=next&oldid=134403113 Runningonbrains] when I really was a newcomer. Access Denied I probably would have found more funny than anything, seeing as I was a hormone-driven 14 year old boy when I started on Wikipedia. =) [[w:User:Ks0stm|<font color="009900" ><b>Ks0stm</b></font>]] <span style="border:1px solid #ffa500;background:#ffce7b;"><small>If you reply here, please leave me a {{[[Template:Talkback|Talkback]]}} message on [[User talk:Ks0stm|my talk page]].</small></span> 03:33, 24 September 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::::: No, I do not think my username is misleading. I chose it because it sounds good. I will admit that I did not read through the history of the article, but I did skim the content you removed; it seemed like OK content. [[User:Access Denied|<font color="red">Access Denied</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Access Denied|<font color="black">[FATAL ERROR]</font>]]</sup> 03:36, 24 September 2010 (UTC) |
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{{od}}<small>@Access Denied: Come to notice it, your first username was kinda teenage level connotation happy as well. Both it and this one amuse me highly. =) [[w:User:Ks0stm|<font color="009900" ><b>Ks0stm</b></font>]] <span style="border:1px solid #ffa500;background:#ffce7b;"><small>If you reply here, please leave me a {{[[Template:Talkback|Talkback]]}} message on [[User talk:Ks0stm|my talk page]].</small></span> 03:37, 24 September 2010 (UTC)</small> |
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: "I did skim the content you removed; it seemed like OK content". OK for what though? For an article that presents 'terror' as integral to Marxism, or an article that discusses groups which supposedly espouse both Marxism and terrorism? I've no objection to either article in principle (though I'd have a lot to say about the first), but a conflation of the two is a synthesis, which is what the problem with the article was in the first place. In any case, you thought the content was 'OK', I didn't. Since when has a difference of opinion been vandalism? |
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And as for your username, 'it sounds good' is a week justification: I found it misleading. I'm a newcomer. Do you want to mislead newcomers or not?[[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump#top|talk]]) 03:57, 24 September 2010 (UTC) |
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=389161282] Call me Mark, or use my full name, please don`t use my surname only. Thanks [[User:Marknutley|mark nutley]] ([[User talk:Marknutley|talk]]) 20:03, 6 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:Hi you were right about the cussing and i removed it, but it was getting very tedious having to say the same thing over and over because TFD was being, well you know. BTW with regards to my name [[:Image:Muttley-picture.gif|50px]]<!--Non free file removed by DASHBot--> This is not me :o) [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Communist_terrorism&diff=prev&oldid=390297650] Lets stick to Mark, hows that suit you :o) [[User:Marknutley|mark ]] ([[User talk:Marknutley|talk]]) 22:41, 12 October 2010 (UTC) |
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== Communist terrorism == |
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Please, do not remove Justus' post. Such action would be justified only if you were an uninvolved editor.--[[User:Paul Siebert|Paul Siebert]] ([[User talk:Paul Siebert|talk]]) 13:32, 17 October 2010 (UTC) |
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==Your recent edits== |
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== Legal Threat == |
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents&curid=5137507&diff=392615844&oldid=392614845] Please remove this, legal threats are a blockable offence. And unless your RL name is andy the grump then no liable can have occoured :) [[User:Marknutley|mark ]] ([[User talk:Marknutley|talk]]) 16:23, 24 October 2010 (UTC) |
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== October 2010 == |
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<div class="user-block"> [[Image:Stop x nuvola.svg|40px|left]] You have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' '''indefinitely''' from editing for making [[Wikipedia:No legal threats|legal threats or taking legal action]]. You are not allowed to edit Wikipedia while the threats stand or the legal action is unresolved. If you would like to be unblocked, you may [[Wikipedia:Appealing a block|appeal this block]] by adding below this notice the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx" argument. -->{{tlx|unblock|Your reason here}}, but you should read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] first. [[User:Toddst1|Toddst1]] <small>([[User talk: Toddst1|talk]])</small> 16:27, 24 October 2010 (UTC)</div><!-- Template:uw-block -->{{z7}}<!-- Template:uw-lblock --> |
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:If I were you, I would withdraw that legal threat, especially seeing as it's kinda pointless to threaten to sue someone over a [[WP:NPA|personal attack]]. Just don't worry about the comment, after all, you do edit under a [[pseudonym]], and it's not like people can easily connect that to who you are in real life. Even if they do, it's ''obviously'' bad faith, and holds so little water that I don't think people would even believe it. [[w:User:Ks0stm|<font color="009900" ><b>Ks0stm</b></font>]] <span style="border:1px solid #ffa500;background:#ffce7b;"><small>If you reply here, please leave me a {{[[Template:Talkback|Talkback]]}} message on [[User talk:Ks0stm|my talk page]].</small></span> 17:09, 24 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::Saying a statement is libelous is not the same thing as saying that one intends to file suit, just as saying that remarks are hateful does not mean that one intends to prosecute under hate crime legislation. However Andy the Grump should avoid use of that word and instead use the term [[WP:PA|personal attack]]. [[User:The Four Deuces|TFD]] ([[User talk:The Four Deuces|talk]]) 17:13, 24 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::Please see [[WP:No legal threats]]: "For example, if you repeatedly assert that another editor's comments are "defamatory" or "libelous", that editor might interpret this as a threat to sue for defamation, even if this is not intended.... '''Rather than blocking immediately''', administrators should seek to clarify the user's meaning and make sure that a mere misunderstanding is not involved. For example, a user might assert another editor's comments are "defamatory" because they are unaware of certain policies (such as harassment, personal attacks, incivility, etc.) and require assistance in dealing with such comments." (my emphasis) [[User:The Four Deuces|TFD]] ([[User talk:The Four Deuces|talk]]) 17:17, 24 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:::TFD, the legal threat was "I am aware that Wikipedia policy is to discourage recourse to legal measures, but given the grossly offensive nature of this statement, I see that I have little choice." [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&action=historysubmit&diff=392615844&oldid=392614845] I believe that was what the block was for. [[w:User:Ks0stm|<font color="009900" ><b>Ks0stm</b></font>]] <span style="border:1px solid #ffa500;background:#ffce7b;"><small>If you reply here, please leave me a {{[[Template:Talkback|Talkback]]}} message on [[User talk:Ks0stm|my talk page]].</small></span> 17:20, 24 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::::Yes, that's what it was for. Though calling someone "pro-terrorist" isn't exactly civil either. [[User:Access Denied|<font color="red">Access Denied</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Access Denied|<font color="black">[FATAL ERROR]</font>]]</sup> 17:23, 24 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:::{{ec}}I have to concede that it was not wise to make such a statement. Whereas the Justus' numerous posts are just personal attacks and ''perceived legal threats, the last Andy's post was almost unequivocal legal threat. However, taking into account that the Justus' attacks were directed at Andy and myself in the same extent, and whereas I personally don't think Justus "left me no choice", the last Andy's post is a result of the lack of experience. In my opinion, he should retract this statement.--[[User:Paul Siebert|Paul Siebert]] ([[User talk:Paul Siebert|talk]]) 17:25, 24 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::::@Access Denied. Whereas calling someone "pro-terrorist" isn't exactly civil, the same action made ''repeatedly'' is a perceived legal threat.--[[User:Paul Siebert|Paul Siebert]] ([[User talk:Paul Siebert|talk]]) 17:25, 24 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::I'm not sure, but given that Andy only has [http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?lang=en&wiki=wikipedia&name=AndyTheGrump 230 edits] he might not be fully aware of the implications of the NLT policy. [[User:Access Denied|<font color="red">Access Denied</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Access Denied|<font color="black">[FATAL ERROR]</font>]]</sup> 17:28, 24 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::Yes Andy must remove that comment and follow the advice provided in the link which advises to contact the information team at info-enwikimedia.org, and then be unblocked. [[User:The Four Deuces|TFD]] ([[User talk:The Four Deuces|talk]]) 17:30, 24 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::A simple "I have no intent of pursuing any litigation." would be sufficient. [[User:Toddst1|Toddst1]] <small>([[User talk: Toddst1|talk]])</small> 18:14, 24 October 2010 (UTC) |
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Perhaps I could have thought a little more before posting what I did, and I should probably have looked at[[WP:LEGAL]] more closely. I cannot see a great deal of point in making hypothetical statements about future intent, though if it helps, I'm perfectly willing to state unequivocally that at no time was the pursuit of litigation my ''objective'' - I was reacting to a grave personal attack which seemed to imply illegality on my part. Of course, statements made by JM are removed, and action is taken against him to ensure they are not repeated, the issue will be closed. |
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If JM will not withdraw his remarks voluntarily, it will presumably be possible for this issue to be settled by normal Wikipedia procedures, however I'm unsure as to how a complaint about JM's comments about me needs to be initiated. Do I have to make the complaint in person, or can a third party proceed? If this is possible, it might be the best course of action in any case - the facts seem clear enough, and a third party would probably deal with the issue in a more calm and reflective manner. |
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For the moment I'm in no mood to contribute anything useful to Wikipedia, so the block is of no great consequence, and whether I'd even wish to contribute further to the Wikipedia project will very likely depend on how this issue is resolved. I think my most sensible option is to wait at least until Justus Maximus responds. Perhaps he will see the error of his ways, and we can all get back to doing more useful things. [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump#top|talk]]) 21:50, 24 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:As I already pointed out, repeated accusations in advocacy of terrorism are ''de facto'' accusations in a criminal act, that can be considered as [[WP:LEGAL#Perceived legal threats|perceived legal threats]]. Therefore, you could simply report Justus Maximus behaviour (it will be more problematic to do now, after you've made your hasty claim). Please, note that the only thing that protects him from sanctions is his status of a newbie. His behaviour is unproductive and uncivil, and, upon some time will inevitably lead to his block.--[[User:Paul Siebert|Paul Siebert]] ([[User talk:Paul Siebert|talk]]) 22:23, 24 October 2010 (UTC) |
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What, again?
What, again? Sorry to see this, Andy. Bishonen | tålk 18:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC).
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