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This gun is a submachine gun

Every characteristic of this gun except the caliber is submachine gun. There are submachine guns with rifle caliber. This will be classified as submachine gun. Manufacturer classified as submachine gun. Developers classified as submachine gun. The military uses and operate the gun as submachine gun. Kadrun (talk) 16:59, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should this be reflected in the first line and type section on the table? It currently states it's an assault rifle and carbine. Alexha.dct (talk) 00:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What defines a submachine gun is the cartridge. A submachine gun that fires assault rifle rounds cannot be a submachine gun - it's a carbine (because a submachine gun is defined by being an automatic gun that fires pistol rounds - if it fires intermediate rounds, it is an assault rifle, if full power, then a battle rifle). The K1 is more comparable to the CAR-15 carbine or the AK-74U, both of which are assault carbines that are also used in the same role as a submachine gun, but those are not considered such. You can use a sword in the same role as a spear, but that will not make a sword a spear. Edward hahm (talk) 08:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+== This gun is a submachine gun ==
-== Overhaul ==
+Every characteristic of this gun except the caliber is submachine gun. There are submachine guns with rifle caliber. This will be classified as submachine gun. Manufacturer classified as submachine gun. Developers classified as submachine gun. The military uses and operate the gun as submachine gun. [[User:Kadrun|Kadrun]] ([[User talk:Kadrun|talk]]) 16:59, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
-This page needs a major rewrite by a natively English speaking writer. It's full of grammatical errors and misc information that doesn't really belong. [[Special:Contributions/70.71.17.90|70.71.17.90]] ([[User talk:70.71.17.90|talk]]) 06:13, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
+:Should this be reflected in the first line and type section on the table? It currently states it's an assault rifle and carbine.  [[User:Alexha.dct|Alexha.dct]] ([[User talk:Alexha.dct|talk]]) 00:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
-== Classification ==
+:What defines a submachine gun is the cartridge. A submachine gun that fires assault rifle rounds cannot be a submachine gun - it's a carbine (because a submachine gun is defined by being an automatic gun that fires pistol rounds - if it fires intermediate rounds, it is an assault rifle, if full power, then a battle rifle). The K1 is more comparable to the CAR-15 carbine or the AK-74U, both of which are assault carbines that are also used in the same role as a submachine gun, but those are not considered such. You can use a sword in the same role as a spear, but that will not make a sword a spear. [[User:Edward hahm|Edward hahm]] ([[User talk:Edward hahm|talk]]) 08:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
-K1 is classified as '''submachine gun''' by the developer and the manufacturer (http://www.sntdaewoo.com/template/html/company/S&Tdaewoo.pdf - company E-catalog by current manufacturer, S&T Motiv). Do not change the type to carbine. The caliber has no relation with the type of the gun. There are plenty of guns that uses assault rifle cartridge yet still defined as submachine gun. [[User:Kadrun|Kadrun]] ([[User talk:Kadrun|talk]]) 23:49, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
-Uh, no. A submachine gun is specifically categorized as a fully-automatic firearm that fires PISTOL cartridges. The cartridge has EVERYTHING to do with the classification of the gun. The S. Koreans labeling it as a submachine gun is just a semantic circle-jerk that East Asian cultures are infamous for. ([[Special:Contributions/180.59.215.134|180.59.215.134]] ([[User talk:180.59.215.134|talk]]) 13:37, 5 September 2015 (UTC))
-The link to the catalogue designating it as a submachine gun is dead, but I've found another catalogue, supposedly from the 2000s, which states the same at https://www.smallarmsreview.com/archive/detail.arc.entry.cfm?arcid=20136
-Nonetheless, I agree with the notion that the weapon is indeed a carbine rather than a submachine gun. The developer may call it whatever they want (Assuming the correctly translated the term in the first place), a submachine gun fires pistol cartridges, something which 5.56×45mm clearly is not. [[User:Thom430|Thom430]] ([[User talk:Thom430|talk]]) 21:45, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
-:If we are linking to the article for [[submachine gun]], this weapon should only fire pistol cartridges, and submachine guns with rifle calibers are only a historical classification. I have modified the article to reflect this and this should not be changed without further consensus. [[User:93|9]]<sup>[[User talk:93|3]]</sup> 22:51, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
-== K1A designer ==
-Some credit should be given to Chung Seong Gu, the production manager at DPI, for the concept and design of the K1A.  Chung was the engineer who was sent to Colt to study their manufacturing techniques and transfer the Technical Data Package for the M16, under license, to Korea.  The K1A came about because of the fear that Colt, under new ownership, would cancel the licensing agreement over the sale of M16 parts to Singapore.  Chung also worked with Korean ADD on the K2 design.  By the way, the flash hider on the K1A was so effective that Ed Owen at BATF ruled it a suppressor and banned it's importation.  <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/173.21.113.218|173.21.113.218]] ([[User talk:173.21.113.218|talk]]) 06:05, 18 September 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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