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Please self-revert [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Steele_dossier&diff=1022289516&oldid=1022279903 this edit] which is being discussed. That is very well-established and long-standing content and should not be removed until a solid consensus is reached. That is the policy-based way to handle such content, and you know that. There is no consensus based on policy to remove that content, just the personal "I don't like it" objections of an editor who seems to ignore policies and practices. He does that a lot. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 18:31, 9 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:"He does that a lot" such aspersions aren't helpful. My edits have been supported by the emerging consensus and rewrites. It needed improvement, which is what happens with our collaborative editing model. You do not own that page. [[User:Mr Ernie|Mr Ernie]] ([[User talk:Mr Ernie|talk]]) 17:21, 10 May 2021 (UTC) |
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::Ernie, what does this have to do with you??[[User:SPECIFICO |<b style="color: #0011FF;"> SPECIFICO</b>]][[User_talk:SPECIFICO | ''talk'']] 17:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:::{{u|SPECIFICO}}, It is fairly clear that Erine is who Val is referring to. I would assume that is why Erine mentioned it. [[User:PackMecEng|PackMecEng]] ([[User talk:PackMecEng#top|talk]]) 22:04, 10 May 2021 (UTC) |
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::::Oh. I took it to mean he was referring to a generic type of disruptive editor. Thanks.[[User:SPECIFICO |<b style="color: #0011FF;"> SPECIFICO</b>]][[User_talk:SPECIFICO | ''talk'']] 22:07, 10 May 2021 (UTC) |
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Hey to stop the back and forth I created a dispute resolution here. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Antifa_(United%20States)] [[User:3Kingdoms|3Kingdoms]] ([[User talk:3Kingdoms|talk]]) 19:28, 18 May 2021 (UTC) |
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== May 2021 == |
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:{{yo|Bradv}} Ha! why so uppity? Just trying to make sure {{u|Acroterion}} does not make an ass of themselves? [[User:PackMecEng|PackMecEng]] ([[User talk:PackMecEng#top|talk]]) 00:25, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
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::I'm trying to prevent you from making an ass of yourself. Disrupting a noticeboard thread that isn't even about you isn't a very elegant thing to do. – [[User:Bradv|<span style="color:#333">'''brad''v'''''</span>]][[User talk:Bradv|<span style="color:transparent;text-shadow:0 0 0 red;font-size:80%">🍁</span>]] 00:26, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:::{{u|Bradv}}, Well since neither you or them seem to have a handle of the situation and I know I was not planning on having involved tool use your comment is absurd. I mean seriously, I call out your ignorance of the situation and you call that disruptive? Get a clue buddy. [[User:PackMecEng|PackMecEng]] ([[User talk:PackMecEng#top|talk]]) 00:28, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:::{{u|Bradv}} Actually what was the disruption? Heck the last thing I did in that thread was hat off topic discussion. [[User:PackMecEng|PackMecEng]] ([[User talk:PackMecEng#top|talk]]) 00:34, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:::{{u|Bradv}} Do you plan on explaining your block and what was disruptive or not? This is getting into [[WP:ADMINACCT]] territory. [[User:PackMecEng|PackMecEng]] ([[User talk:PackMecEng#top|talk]]) 03:26, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
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::::Do you seriously not understand why I blocked you? Okay, let's review: {{pb}} {{RPA}} {{pb}} {{RPA}}, even while {{u|Acroterion}} and I were explaining it to you, isn't going to help your case. But if you would like another admin to review the facts, the instructions for appealing this block are posted above. I stand by my decision. – [[User:Bradv|<span style="color:#333">'''brad''v'''''</span>]][[User talk:Bradv|<span style="color:transparent;text-shadow:0 0 0 red;font-size:80%">🍁</span>]] 03:43, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::{{u|Bradv}}, Yeah I am just not seeing it buddy. I think you completely misread the situation on the page and my contribution. First they were bullshit and also BLP violations near that end, not sure why you are supporting those but not a good look to take ownership of that. What two were irrelevant to the matter at hand? Were they the ones asking {{u|Acroterion}} to stop being disruptive and going off track? You really need to back up ridiculous claims with diffs or just don't make them. 2 were edit warring? How does one revert make two diffs of edit warring? That kind of boggles the mind, again diffs would be helpful here. The last 7 were explained above. So again I have to ask, what is this based on? If you are unwilling or probably more accurately unable to justify your actions that is pretty telling.{{):}} [[User:PackMecEng|PackMecEng]] ([[User talk:PackMecEng#top|talk]]) 03:50, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::Your block was based on your active work to derail productive resolution at AN, and to actively try to discourage anybody else from getting it back on the rails. You certainly weren't helping out Storms598, if that was what you were trying to do - you were leading them farther into the woods. I endorse Bradv's block. Feel free to ask for review. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">[[User:Acroterion|<span style="color: black;">Acroterion</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Acroterion|<span style="color: gray;">(talk)</span>]]</small></span>''' 04:06, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::::{{u|Acroterion}}, Wait wait wait... The guy that threatened an involved block because I called them on their own disruption endorses the block... Well I'll be darned. [[User:PackMecEng|PackMecEng]] ([[User talk:PackMecEng#top|talk]]) 04:08, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::::Arguing with an administrator doesn't make them involved. [[WP:AVOIDBLOCK|AVOIDBLOCK]] is not policy. – [[User:Bradv|<span style="color:#333">'''brad''v'''''</span>]][[User talk:Bradv|<span style="color:transparent;text-shadow:0 0 0 red;font-size:80%">🍁</span>]] 04:31, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::::::{{u|Bradv}}, See there you go again misrepresenting what happened. They threatened a block because I politely explained why they were wrong and not helping the situation. They then threw a tantrum, completely with a do you know who I am BS, and threatened a block. It was a nice thing of you to do it for them though so they don't make a fool of themselves though. I'm still waiting for some diffs on your stories above. I really want to know more about the 2 diffs of edit waring with only one revert. You know, making unsupported accusations like that without diffs is just plain old casting [[WP:ASPERSIONS]]. I mean what I am asking is not terribly hard here, or it shouldn't be. Do you plan on supporting your accusations and block or not? [[User:PackMecEng|PackMecEng]] ([[User talk:PackMecEng#top|talk]]) 04:37, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::::::Its just that the back and forth was at the noticeboard. Had the same been at a user talk page it would have likely been a nonissue.--[[User:MONGO|MONGO]] ([[User talk:MONGO|talk]]) 06:11, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::{{u|MONGO}}, Yeah pretty much. I even tried to go the agree to disagree route but I think I hurt Acroterion's feelings because they just doubled down on the whining and threats after that. No idea what {{u|Bradv}}'s issue with providing diffs to back up their claim is though. I am beginning to think they don't know how or just cant because it's BS. [[User:PackMecEng|PackMecEng]] ([[User talk:PackMecEng#top|talk]]) 11:50, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::{{ec}} I'm not Bradv, but I can answer the diff question. Bradv doesn't need to provide the [[WP:Shrubbery|14 diffs you requested]] because they aren't necessary. He already indicated what the offending edits were in a way that anybody can find them (by noting the time and location). And Bradv isn't required to convince the blocked editor (in this case you) that the block is correct in order for it to be valid. That's an impossibly high bar in most situations. If you think the block is not needed, all you need to do is convince a second admin of that. <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~[[User:Awilley|Awilley]] <small>([[User talk:Awilley|talk]])</small></span> 15:08, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::::{{u|Awilley}}, Yeah not so much. They specifically misrepresented at least the edit warring accusation as I laid out above. If you think it is an impossibly high bar to present diffs to back up what you say you have another thing coming. Awilley, I like ya, really I do, but in this case you are just flat wrong. [[User:PackMecEng|PackMecEng]] ([[User talk:PackMecEng#top|talk]]) 15:12, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::As MONGO says, the venue matters. If you want to debate political science in userspace, that's up to you. Participation is voluntary. If you and BMK and Storms and Viriditas want to set up a debating society, have at it, just not at AN. You don't have to make the rest of us watch you take potshots at each pother. Derailing noticeboard discussions is another matter - and hijacking threads as you did is disruptive. Disruptive editors try the "you're involved now, go away" game all the time. It doesn't work, and it ''can't'' work, otherwise editors would find ways to immunize themselves by doing as you did, placing a chip on their shoulder and daring anyone to knock it off. AN is explicitly not a place for editors to debate tangential subjects, which is what you and two or three other editors were doing. The only one who ''demanded'' that that continue was you. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">[[User:Acroterion|<span style="color: black;">Acroterion</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Acroterion|<span style="color: gray;">(talk)</span>]]</small></span>''' 15:05, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::{{u|Acroterion}}, Oh wow that is quite the rant and strawman. If you read the conversation I offered to go our separate ways but you were not having it. Just doubling down on the same disruptive behavior. I don't know what the monkey on your back is, but let it go. You will be much happier in life. [[User:PackMecEng|PackMecEng]] ([[User talk:PackMecEng#top|talk]]) 15:14, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::I was startled to find that a reasonable attempt to draw the conversation at AN back to the point was met with derision. I continue to be startled by your attitude. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">[[User:Acroterion|<span style="color: black;">Acroterion</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Acroterion|<span style="color: gray;">(talk)</span>]]</small></span>''' 15:19, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::::{{u|Acroterion}}, Do people that don't buy the crap your selling often startle you? What a bizarre thing to say. [[User:PackMecEng|PackMecEng]] ([[User talk:PackMecEng#top|talk]]) 15:24, 31 May 2021 (UTC) |
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*{{u|Bradv}} So yet again I ask for diffs of your [[WP:ASPERSIONS]] and basis of block. I don't think it is a good look to weasel out of your [[WP:ADMINACCT|responsibility]] here. It is not to much to ask, as {{u|Awilley}} suggests, to provide diffs for your actions. The least you could do is get your counts and accusations correct. If you failed to do so I will have to strike your personal attacks above. Thanks! [[User:PackMecEng|PackMecEng]] ([[User talk:PackMecEng#top|talk]]) 16:08, 1 June 2021 (UTC) |
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*:Are you able to expand on how [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:PackMecEng&type=revision&diff=1026559099&oldid=1026321971&diffmode=source this] is a personal attack? [[User talk:SQL|<sup style="font-size: 5pt;color:#999">!ɘM γɿɘυϘ</sup>]][[User:SQL|<span style="font-size:7pt;color: #fff;background:#900;border:2px solid #999">⅃ϘƧ</span>]] 11:53, 3 June 2021 (UTC) |
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*::Sure it is just textbook [[WP:ASPERSIONS]]. When repeatedly pressed to justify their outburst and present diffs they were unwilling or unable too. [[User:PackMecEng|PackMecEng]] ([[User talk:PackMecEng#top|talk]]) 12:44, 3 June 2021 (UTC) |
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*:::With all due respect - at a glance the edits in question appear to be available [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?target=PackMecEng&namespace=4&tagfilter=&start=2021-05-30&end=2021-05-31&limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions here]. I'm unclear on how ASPERSIONS applies in this case. [[User talk:SQL|<sup style="font-size: 5pt;color:#999">!ɘM γɿɘυϘ</sup>]][[User:SQL|<span style="font-size:7pt;color: #fff;background:#900;border:2px solid #999">⅃ϘƧ</span>]] 14:57, 3 June 2021 (UTC) |
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*::::You can't just say look at the contributions and it's self evident lol. But yeah the issue and why I was asking for diffs is because their counts and accusations did not add up. For instance they mentioned two instances of edit warring but I only made one revert. [[User:PackMecEng|PackMecEng]] ([[User talk:PackMecEng#top|talk]]) 15:49, 3 June 2021 (UTC) |
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*:::::I actually can, and I did. I read those twelve edits. It wasn't an unreasonable burden. The diffs are easily found, and I even narrowed it down to a very small subset above. |
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*:::::Additionally, if you look carefully at {{u|Awilley}}'s comments here, I think that you might find that they suggest something other what you appear to think that they suggest above. The big hint for me was the link to [[WP:SHRUBBERY]]. |
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*:::::I'm not going to wikilawyer the point with you - if the original edit, plus the edit reverted to both constitute edits as a part of an edit war. |
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*:::::It continues to be my belief your use of {{tlx|RPA}} was likely not appropriate in this case, and I ask that you reverse your action. |
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*:::::This is the last you'll hear from me on this issue. [[User talk:SQL|<sup style="font-size: 5pt;color:#999">!ɘM γɿɘυϘ</sup>]][[User:SQL|<span style="font-size:7pt;color: #fff;background:#900;border:2px solid #999">⅃ϘƧ</span>]] 13:00, 4 June 2021 (UTC) |
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*::::::Let's try your logic with a quick example. You are a so and so that has been edit warring repeatedly 3 times. While being disruptive 6 times. The diffs are [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/SQL here]! Yeah no, lol not how that works my friend. I'm kind of glad it's the last I will hear because nonsense gets old fast. [[User:PackMecEng|PackMecEng]] ([[User talk:PackMecEng#top|talk]]) 13:20, 4 June 2021 (UTC) |
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