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== Is it necessary to list the channel numbers? ==

I came here while researching the outlet on my cable provider, WOW! (WideOpenWest), and decided to scroll down the area speaking about the TV channel... I understand they don't want the section to appear scant of detail, but this doesn't seem like the sort of information needed in a Wikipedia article. Surely with the channel being here for as long as it has been (if I read correctly, four years?), there should be more relevant information available by now? It shouldn't be Wikipedia's place to be a TV guide.

[[User:RabblerouserGT|RabblerouserGT]] ([[User talk:RabblerouserGT|talk]]) 11:41, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

== There are way too many Newsmax sub-articles ==

All the content should be in this article. [[User:Snooganssnoogans|Snooganssnoogans]] ([[User talk:Snooganssnoogans|talk]]) 17:08, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

== Quoting itself? ==

The (currently) second end-note, the one cited where the claim is made that Newsmax is influential among conservatives, links back to Newsmax itself. So, basically, the source saying that Newsmax is influential is ... Newsmax. That doesn't seem to pass the journalistic smell test. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.212.120.189|67.212.120.189]] ([[User talk:67.212.120.189#top|talk]]) 02:04, 4 September 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== "There is no consensus on the reliability of Media Matters" ==

As a biased or opinionated source, their statements should be attributed."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources

this edit should be restored

https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Newsmax&diff=982567017&oldid=981840801

[[User:Soibangla|soibangla]] ([[User talk:Soibangla|talk]]) 23:24, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
:The reason for removal was not that biased or opinionated sources can never be used, but that there is no [[WP:RS]] coverage of this or anything to establish encyclopedic notability. It would be unencyclopedic to add everything that Media Matters ever writes about a topic to the Wikipedia article, there needs to be other coverage as well. [[User:Marquis de Faux|Marquis de Faux]] ([[User talk:Marquis de Faux|talk]]) 22:55, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
::I question that reasoning simply because organizations commonly get scoops. In an increasingly fragmented media environment, organizations often need to pursue niche stories that distinguish themselves. Others don't cover it not because it's illegitimate, but because someone else grabbed that niche and there's no compelling reason to follow, they need to pursue other niches. [[User:Soibangla|soibangla]] ([[User talk:Soibangla|talk]]) 23:02, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

== Do we need this article AND Newsmax Media? ==

I think the latter should be deleted. [[User:Soibangla|soibangla]] ([[User talk:Soibangla|talk]]) 00:57, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
:Agreed, articles should be merged. [[User:Marquis de Faux|Marquis de Faux]] ([[User talk:Marquis de Faux|talk]]) 23:50, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
::[[Newsmax TV]] could probably be merged as well. [[User:IHateAccounts|IHateAccounts]] ([[User talk:IHateAccounts|talk]]) 16:15, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

== Justification ==

I have an issue with the statement "Newsmax CEO Christopher Ruddy justified its pro-Trump coverage, saying 'we have an editorial policy of being supportive of the President and his policies.'".
:First, the "." being included in the quote is inaccurate, the actual quote has a comma there and reads "We have an editorial policy of being supportive of the President and his policies, but I think if you looked at our digital coverage, for instance, it's always been very balanced and fair."

:More importantly, this is not a "justification" of its pro-Trump coverage, it is if anything a denial that they are overly pro-Trump (spoiler, RS have said that they absolutely are overly pro-Trump).
::It is also an answer to a question about other media organizations', specifically Fox News, consistency: "You have said that you think Fox News was inconsistent in its support of Trump during the past four years. How so? And do you think that being unwavering in support of either Donald Trump or the Republican Party is important to conservative media?"
:He is not asked to, nor is attempting to, "Justify" the network's support of Trump.

:On the other hand, the other quote, which was removed first by [[User:Marquis de Faux|Marquis de Faux]], and again by [[User:IHateAccounts|IHateAccounts]], was in fact stated as a justification for why Newsmax has become a explicitly pro-Trump outlet, despite its founder being "not the sort of true-believing ideologue his viewers may imagine in the foxhole alongside them".
::The context is this: "All successful TV programmers have some mercenary in them, of course, but even by those standards, Mr. Ruddy is extreme. He has turned Newsmax into a pure vehicle for Trumpism, attacking Fox News from the right for including occasional dissenting voices. And when Trumpism turned this month from an electoral strategy into a hallucinatory attempt to overturn the election, Mr. Ruddy saw opportunity: Newsmax, available on cable in most American households and streaming online, became the home of alternate reality. 'In this day and age, people want something that tends to affirm their views and opinions,' Mr. Ruddy told me in an interview."
:He is "justifying" why Newsmax is "a pure vehicle for Trumpism" despite his personal views not fully embodying that. It is emphasizing "He is, rather, perhaps the purest embodiment of another classic television type, the revenue-minded cynic for whom the substance of programming is just a path to money and power."

:The first quote is not a justification. It just says "He justifies them being pro-Trump by saying they are pro-Trump".

:The second quote is a justification. It says "He justifies them being pro-Trump by saying their audience is pro-Trump and people want to watch things that affirm that view".
Does that make sense? The problem arises out of the fact that the "justified" language is a summation of the sentiment presented in the NY times article with the second quote. The first quote comes from a source that does not support using the word "justified" because that is not the context in which it was stated. [[User:NonReproBlue|NonReproBlue]] ([[User talk:NonReproBlue|talk]]) 06:46, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
:Could you please break this into readable paragraphs? [[User:IHateAccounts|IHateAccounts]] ([[User talk:IHateAccounts|talk]]) 16:10, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
::{{reply|NonReproBlue}} Thank you for breaking it out into paragraphs. The quotation about the editorial policy is a response to the question ''"And do you think that being unwavering in support of either Donald Trump or the Republican Party is important to conservative media?"'' from the New Yorker, so I think it's pretty clear. However, the NY Times article doesn't contain the same language, so I've made a trial edit at including both quotes. [[User:IHateAccounts|IHateAccounts]] ([[User talk:IHateAccounts|talk]]) 18:13, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
:I would be happy to include the quote in the body paragraph. The lead, however, is supposed to be a general overview, and cover things such as editorial policy of an organization. That's why the initial quote was fairly appropriate. This seems like getting into the weeds of media strategy, and in the paragraph where he gives this quote, he doesn't use it as a way to "justify" the editorial stance either, it's just as a statement of commentary on the state of media. There's absolutely no context in which the quote is given, nor a response to a question, or anything, nor does the article say that. We don't know what Ruddy was responding to, so you can't say that the quote is a "justification" for it's election coverage, because the source doesn't show that. There is no evidence that the quote was uttered with the intention of "justifying" the coverage.
:This would be like, on the Fox News page, having a Roger Ailes quote at the top talking about how being conservative increases ad revenue. It could be true, and should be mentioned in the body, but wouldn't be appropriate for a lead summary. Rather, the lead would just cover how Fox News is editorially conservative. If the concern is the word "justification," we can just take that out and leave the quote about being editorially in support of Trump.

:[[User:Marquis de Faux|Marquis de Faux]] ([[User talk:Marquis de Faux|talk]]) 20:41, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

==Proposed merge ([[Newsmax Media]] to Newsmax) ==
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== Propaganda ==
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The [[Newsmax Media]] article is largely repetitive of content already here and there is very little there about the Newsmax Media entity that isn't already in this article. [[User:Laval|Laval]] ([[User talk:Laval|talk]]) 19:03, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support proposed merge'''. Given the high levels of redundancy, the "Newsmax Media" article is counterproductive. [[User:IHateAccounts|IHateAccounts]] ([[User talk:IHateAccounts|talk]]) 20:54, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support proposed merge'''. Quick and easy merge. Should just delete the other redundant article. [[User:Marquis de Faux|Marquis de Faux]] ([[User talk:Marquis de Faux|talk]]) 04:40, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support proposed merge'''. Reason: As Laval stated above. [[User:Tshuva|Tshuva]] ([[User talk:Tshuva|talk]]) 10:41, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
:::Hi {{reply|Tshuva}}, per RFC policy concerning !votes, can you provide a reasoning? [[User:IHateAccounts|IHateAccounts]] ([[User talk:IHateAccounts|talk]]) 04:34, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
::::Added [[User:Tshuva|Tshuva]] ([[User talk:Tshuva|talk]]) 06:26, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
* '''Support''', per previous thread. [[User:Soibangla|soibangla]] ([[User talk:Soibangla|talk]]) 01:53, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support merge'''. As the articles stand there is a huge amount of duplicative content; no size issues necessitating separate articles. <sub>[[User:Wjemather|<span style="color:#0D5218">wjemather</span>]]</sub><sup>[[User talk:Wjemather|<span style="color:#520D0D">please leave a message...</span>]]</sup> 16:04, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
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== Proposed merge ([[Newsmax TV]] to Newsmax) ==
{{Discussion top|result=The result of this discussion was '''no consensus'''. The account that initiated the thread, [[User:IHateAccounts|IHateAccounts]] ([[User talk:IHateAccounts|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/IHateAccounts|contribs]]), has been blocked as a confirmed [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SkepticAnonymous|sock puppet]] of [[User:SkepticAnonymous|SkepticAnonymous]] ([[User talk:SkepticAnonymous|talk]]. • [[Special:Contributions/SkepticAnonymous|contribs]]). After striking the editor's comments, it is unclear if there is community consensus to merge the page, especially in light of an [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Newsmax_TV|AfD]] that resulted in '''keep''' being closed less than 45 minutes before this merge discussion was initiated. <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>}}
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<s>
Similar to the discussion of merging [[Newsmax Media]] above, I think it's basically merged already. The talk page has had the "Under Construction" section, placed by AKA Casey Rollins, begging "Please do not delete this page! I am still working on it" since 20 October 2014 with little to no improvement. Further, upon reviewing the sources on the page (even after Aquillion's recent attempt to add two sources), it's basically a poorly written copy of material already here:
# This article is already reflected at [[Newsmax]]. (Roose, "Newsmax courts fox news viewers...")
# This article isn't cited at [[Newsmax]] but it really doesn't matter, Business Insider is at "No Consensus" level at [[Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources]]. (Lahut, "Newsmax CEO says...")
# This article isn't cited at [[Newsmax]] but multiple other articles about ratings are. (Tampa Bay Times, "Trump-friendly Newsmax a sudden competitor to Fox...")
# This specific article is not reflected at [[Newsmax]], but an equivalent article from Politico on the DirecTV launch of Newsmax's channel is.
# Does not seem to be a [[WP:RS]], and it's a dead link that reverts to the multichannel.com homepage.
# This article is already reflected at [[Newsmax]]. ("South Florida's Newsmax rides wave of interest...")
# This Sara Polsky article from "Curbed NY" does not mention Newsmax in any way. I have no idea why anyone put it into the page.
# This article is already reflected at [[Newsmax]]. ("Newsmax hopes conservative anger...")
# This article is already reflected at [[Newsmax]]. ("The Next Ailes: Newsmax's Chris Ruddy ...")
# This article is already reflected at [[Newsmax]]. (""Newsmax has emerged as a landing spot for cable news personalities...")
# This is self-sourced to Newsmax.com and is not [[WP:RS]]. ("Dennis Michael Lynch Hosts New Show"...)
# This is to Mediaite, a "marginally reliable" source. ("Newsmax Host Taken Off the Air...")
# This is a good [[WP:RS]], and the content is not yet reflected at [[Newsmax]]. It is already reflected at [[Dennis Michael Lynch]]. ("Newsmax Host Dennis Michael Lynch Is Pulled Off the Air...")
# This is sourced direct back to Newsmax's website, promotional content only. (Howie Carr)
# Notations on Spicer joining Newsmax are already reflected at [[Newsmax]]
# Notations on Greg Kelly at Newsmax are already reflected at [[Newsmax]]
# This article is already reflected at [[Newsmax]] ("Trump voters are flocking...")
# This article is already reflected at [[Newsmax]] (""Donald Trump attacks Fox News: 'They forgot the golden goose'")
# This article is already reflected at [[Newsmax]] '''(and is a duplicate of number 8)'''. ("Newsmax hopes conservative anger...")
# This article is already reflected at [[Newsmax]] ("Newsmax could end up being the Fox News of the post-Trump era")
# This article is already reflected at [[Newsmax]] '''(and is a duplicate of number 17)'''. ("Trump voters are flocking...")
# This article is already reflected at [[Newsmax]] ("My two days watching Newsmax...")
# This article is already reflected at [[Newsmax]] ("The misinformation media machine...")
# This article is already reflected at [[Newsmax]] '''(and is again a duplicate of number 17)'''. ("Trump voters are flocking...")
# This specific article is not reflected at [[Newsmax]], but equivalent coverage of ratings by AdWeek is.
# This is sourced to hermancain.com and is laughably not [[WP:RS]]. (Calabrese)
# Once again, just promotional material. I don't see the point of citing to the Newsmax's website, it's not [[WP:RS]]. (Newsmax website)

The merging has basically already been done. There's literally only one decent WP:RS source whose content isn't already reflected at the main Newsmax page, and that ONE is only about a specific host leaving the network over editorial-control disputes. I think it's time to finish the merge process and redirect [[Newsmax TV]] to [[Newsmax]]. [[User:IHateAccounts|IHateAccounts]] ([[User talk:IHateAccounts|talk]]) 18:36, 13 December 2020 (UTC) </s> <small>— [[User:IHateAccounts|IHateAccounts]] ([[User talk:IHateAccounts|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/IHateAccounts|contribs]]) has been blocked as a confirmed [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SkepticAnonymous|sock puppet]] of [[User:SkepticAnonymous|SkepticAnonymous]] ([[User talk:SkepticAnonymous|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SkepticAnonymous|contribs]]). </small> — [[User:Mikehawk10|Mikehawk10]] ([[User talk:Mikehawk10 |talk]]) 22:24, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support proposed merge''' for given reasons in the thread. Yes, one focuses on the website, but [[Fox News]] also has a website and we don't need 2 articles for that. [[User:Marquis de Faux|Marquis de Faux]] ([[User talk:Marquis de Faux|talk]]) 23:18, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
:::<s>{{reply|Marquis de Faux}} not to be a nuisance about it but... can you provide your reason? [[User:IHateAccounts|IHateAccounts]] ([[User talk:IHateAccounts|talk]]) 00:28, 15 December 2020 (UTC)</s>
::::Yep, sorry [[User:Marquis de Faux|Marquis de Faux]] ([[User talk:Marquis de Faux|talk]]) 02:43, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
* '''Support''', per previous thread. [[User:Soibangla|soibangla]] ([[User talk:Soibangla|talk]]) 01:53, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
* '''Support'''. Most of the text is redundant, and the text that ''isn't'' redundant (the personalities and affiliates lists) are both largely unsourced and mostly lists of trivia. --[[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] ([[User talk:Aquillion|talk]]) 11:23, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - as this discussion is now moot since there was a much broader discussion at AfD which resulted in a decision of keep, rather than merge. [[User:onel5969|'''<span style="color:#536895;">Onel</span><span style="color:#ffb300;">5969</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Onel5969|<i style="color:blue">TT me</i>]]</sup> 12:41, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - For the already mentioned reasons as well as just for the record (Newsmax didn't start out as a TV network. It's A-historic for Wikipedia to all of a sudden falsify the record. The website has history. So it can stand on its own even if the entire organization shuts down. But if it merges into a TV page the non-tv media history that predates the TV will eventually be slashed and virtually edited out of existence as the TV side of the business becomes more notable and leads to expansion of the page. Then we'll be back to square one: someone will suggest a page split and non tv stuff to be put in another page. [[User:Loginnigol|--Loginnigol]] ([[User talk:Loginnigol|talk]]) 16:30, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
::<s>It sounds like you are confused, it would be the TV page merged to here by this proposal, as the TV page is so sparse on information and does not do a good job establishing notability separate from the Newsmax media company. Most of the sources used in the TV page treat the two interchangeably. [[User:IHateAccounts|IHateAccounts]] ([[User talk:IHateAccounts|talk]]) 17:11, 18 December 2020 (UTC)</s>
*'''Support merge'''. As the articles stand there is a huge amount of duplicative content and it appears the boundaries between mediums are somewhat blurred/confused; no size issues necessitating separate articles. <sub>[[User:Wjemather|<span style="color:#0D5218">wjemather</span>]]</sub><sup>[[User talk:Wjemather|<span style="color:#520D0D">please leave a message...</span>]]</sup> 16:04, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
*'''Merge'''. These are redundant articles mostly recycling the same sources to say the same things. Few of these sources specifically address ''Newsmax TV'' as a thing unto itself, so it probably is not stand-alone notable. Even if it could squeak by, it is more helpful to consolidate the material for readers, the way we do with news websites and news publishers. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 08:35, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
*'''Merge'''. Just because they have different histories doesn't mean they need separate pages, when they're all under the same umbrella. [[User:Bangabandhu|Bangabandhu]] ([[User talk:Bangabandhu|talk]]) 13:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' per [[WP:OVERLAP]]. It is a burden to keep all of these articles in sync, when so much content is duplicated among them. —&#8202;'''''[[User:Newslinger|<span style="color:#536267;">Newslinger</span>]]'''&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Newslinger#top|<span style="color:#708090;">talk</span>]]</small>'' 00:39, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' While there is overlap, the TV article is different and has different content, one focusing on the website, the other on TV. Any TV related content from this article can be very easily moved to the TV article. The ratings for the TV are also rising and starting to challenge Fox News [https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/08/media/newsmax-fox-news-ratings/index.html], which would make the TV station increasingly significant. Given the nature of the difference, it is unreasonable to merge the two. It is also strange to argue about sources and content that aren't specifically about Newsmax TV, when there are actually many as indicated by a simple Google search - just a few here - [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-newsmax-partnership-cable-tv-idUSKBN29U2CH][https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/newsmax-mike-lindell-mypillow-anchor-apology-b1797396.html][https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-01-20/president-biden-inauguration-newsmax-right-wing-coverage][https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2020/12/27/fox-news-viewers-switch-to-newsmax/][https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/21/newsmax-tv-fox-what-fox-was-cnn/][https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/newsmax-oan-trump-biden-b1790272.html][https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-02-17/trump-reemerges-with-flurry-of-on-conservative-tv-and-repeats-election-lies][https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/04/arts/television/trevor-noah-newsmax-mike-lindell.html][https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/12/media/fox-news-newsmax-reliable-sources/index.html] and there are many more. The subject is clearly independently notable therefore should have its own article per [[WP:N]]. [[User:Hzh|Hzh]] ([[User talk:Hzh|talk]]) 12:03, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

{{Discussion bottom}}

== IP removing conservative label ==

An IP has been repeatedly removing the label conservative from the subject, saying it is irrelevant. There are no less than eight references that support the notion that this is a conservative network and this is what this network is known for. I submit that removing the label is disingenuous, but I wanted to bring this to the attention of other editors for potential discussion. [[User:Ifnord|Ifnord]] ([[User talk:Ifnord|talk]]) 01:25, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
: The ''conservative'' descriptor is well-supported by reliable sources, and it is rather mild. —&nbsp;'''''[[User:Newslinger|<span style="color:#536267;">Newslinger</span>]]'''&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Newslinger#top|<span style="color:#708090;">talk</span>]]</small>'' 07:23, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

== "Chris Ruddy and Newsmax went all-in on Trump. Now they might pay a price for it." ==

[https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/ruddy-newsmax-trump/2021/05/05/32b09714-9d32-11eb-9d05-ae06f4529ece_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F3235371%2F609414479d2fdae30244e4a1%2F596c69c5ade4e24119cdf1ea%2F11%2F70%2F609414479d2fdae30244e4a1] [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 18:40, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

== Newsmax and CNN (includes Newsmax TV) ==

Hi,

I was the one that was editing a couple months ago. Sorry, but I don’t understand. Wikipedia claims to be neutral. But I think this is obviously biased.

See my discussion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:CNN#CNN%2C_Newsmax%2C_and_all_that_Apply <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Anston06|Anston06]] ([[User talk:Anston06#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Anston06|contribs]]) 09:58, 27 June 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== truth/objectivity/reliability rating ==

This from Wikpedia reliability A to Z :Newsmax was deprecated by snowball clause consensus in the November 2020 RfC. Concerns of editors included that Newsmax lacks adherence to journalistic standards, launders propaganda, promulgates misinformation, promotes conspiracy theories and false information for political purposes, and promotes medical misinformation such as COVID-19-related falsehoods, climate change denialism, conspiracy theories, and anti-vaccination propaganda.
Should this be mentioned in the article ?—&nbsp;[[User:Tumadoireacht|⦿⨦⨀Tumadoireacht]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Tumadoireacht|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tumadoireacht|Stalk]]</sub> 01:24, 16 July 2021 (UTC)§

:No, internal Wikipedia policies and decisions are rarely newsworthy outside of the project. [[User:ValarianB|ValarianB]] ([[User talk:ValarianB|talk]]) 12:15, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

== Newsmax Star Claims Vaccines Contain ‘Bioluminescent’ Tracker Linked to Devil ==

* https://www.thedailybeast.com/newsmax-star-emerald-robinson-falsely-claims-vaccines-contain-tracking-device-linked-to-devil?ref=home?ref=home

. [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 17:30, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

== Is newsmax a far-right or conservative news outlet? ==

Hi everyone, hope to have a meaningful conversation on this topic, even if it is highly opinionated, I have noticed a shift in perception of the conservative word on WP.

I did a very unscientific google search of 'Newsmax "far-right"' https://www.google.com/search?q=Newsmax+%22far-right%22
Returned 201 000 thousand hits

and a very unscientific google search of 'Newsmax "conservative"' https://www.google.com/search?q=Newsmax+%22conservative%22
Returned 584 000 thousand hits

It seems that recent developments on article page have shifted. Why is that? Can someone explain why WP is needed to corner another organization compared to CNN? Where is the triggering border? [[User:Edotor|Edotor]] ([[User talk:Edotor|talk]]) 11:05, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

:[[WP:GHITS|Google hits]] is not a usable metric here. [[User:ValarianB|ValarianB]] ([[User talk:ValarianB|talk]]) 12:03, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
::Sure, but it's worth investigating which label is more frequently used by sources. For now, doesn't seem to be "far-right," even based only on the ones in the article. [[User:Marquis de Faux|Marquis de Faux]] ([[User talk:Marquis de Faux|talk]]) 19:55, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
:It should be left as "conservative." First, journalists use "far-right" quite loosely in a way that does not correspond to the political science definition. You could find enough articles calling Fox News far right and stick that to the Wiki page. To be actually far-right, you would have to be outside the mainstream of American conservatism, which there is no indication Newsmax is. Going through the history, it was founded by pretty mainstream conservative figures and is full of mainstream conservative contributors. Newsmax has also interviewed Bill Clinton several times and donated $1 million to the Clinton Foundation. There are also frequent sources that put Newsmax within the mainstream of American conservatism. The Vox source cited says " "Newsmax doesn't go full arch-conservative" and "doesn't give airtime to QAnon paranoiacs." A Columbia Journalism Review article says "There are currently about 15 to 20 conservative websites which attract at least one million unique visitors per month. Some are venerable right-wing reliables like National Review, The Washington Times, or Newsmax. Others, like Infowars, The Gateway Pundit, Big League Politics, and Breitbart, mine the far fringes of the right." This seems to explicitly put Newsmax within the mainstream of conservative publications. This, the choice is between "conservative," which is uncontroversial and supported by all sources, even the articles which use the term "far-right," and the label "far-right" which lacks consensus and has sources which disagree with it. So the description should be left as "conservative." The election controversies themselves are well documented in the article already. [[User:Marquis de Faux|Marquis de Faux]] ([[User talk: Marquis de Faux|talk]]) 19:38, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
:: The variant of [[far-right politics]] that is most prominent in the US, the [[Far-right politics#Radical right|radical right]], is a [[subset]] of American conservatism. As evidenced by the popularity of far-right media outlets such as Breitbart and Newsmax, [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13569317.2021.1949829 far-right politics is entering the American mainstream, pressuring mainstream American politics to expand rightward while also broadening the scope of the far-right]. Being far-right and being mainstream are not mutually exclusive. Newsmax positions itself as farther to the right than the mainstream conservative [[Fox News]], even though it does not emphasize far-right conspiracy theories as prominently as [[One America News Network]] does.{{pb}}There is a critical mass of [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] (including but not limited to [[WP:SOURCE|high-quality academic sources]]) that places Newsmax squarely within the far-right, some of which are cited in the article. Here are a few of them:
::*In a [https://archives.cjr.org/essay/unamerican_1.php more recent ''Columbia Journalism Review'' article], editor [[Michael Massing]] states, {{xt|"'''Far-right''' Web sites like [[World Net Daily]] and Newsmax.com floated all kinds of specious stories about Obama that quickly careened around the blogosphere and onto talk radio. One particular favorite was the claim that [[Bill Ayers]] ghost-wrote ''[[Dreams From My Father]]''."}}
::*In an [https://doi.org/10.1093%2Foso%2F9780190913823.003.0005 academic source] published by [[Oxford University Press]], political scientist [[Samuel L. Popkin]] writes, {{xt|"[Trump] bonded with Chris Ruddy, a Palm Beach resident and Mar-A-Lago member who founded Newsmax, a prominent '''far-right''' media corporation credited with spawning 'a cottage industry of conspiracy buffs' with its lurid claims that the death of President Clinton's aide [[Vince Foster]] wasn't a suicide, but instead a murder that had been covered up."}}
::*In the [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Media_Law_and_Ethics/q_0-EAAAQBAJ?gbpv=1&pg=PT201 6th edition of ''Media Law & Ethics''], published by [[Routledge]], academics Roy L. Moore, Michael D. Murray, and [[Kyu Ho Youm]] state, {{xt|"Also, a government cybersecurity official in charge of safeguarding the integrity of the presidential election sued the Trump Campaign, one of its lawyers and '''far-right''' media outlet Newsmax for libel, claiming they conspired to falsely assert widespread election fraud. [...] One Trump campaign lawyer said on '''far-right''' cable channel Newsmax: 'He should be drawn and quartered. Taken out and shot.'"}}
::*In ''[https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Diversity_of_Darkness_and_Shameful_B/SNdjEAAAQBAJ?gbpv=1&pg=PT21 The Diversity of Darkness and Shameful Behaviors]'', published by Routledge, professor Tim Delaney writes, {{xt|"It needs to be noted that on April 30, 2021, Newsmax (the '''far right wing''' news alternative to FOX News) apologized for airing false allegations that Dominion Voting Systems manipulated machines or tallies on Election Day to the detriment of Donald Trump."}}
:: In recent years, Newsmax has capitalized on the mainstreaming of far-right politics in the US to reposition itself as a far-right media outlet. Older sources portray Newsmax as more moderate than the outlet currently is. In contrast, there are few (if any) reliable sources that describe Fox News as far-right. The ''far-right'' descriptor is accurate for Newsmax, is amply supported by reliable sources, and should remain. —&nbsp;'''''[[User:Newslinger|<span style="color:#536267;">Newslinger</span>]]'''&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Newslinger#top|<span style="color:#708090;">talk</span>]]</small>'' 00:38, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

{{ping|Edotor}} There's something that seems totally bonkers with the hit counts reported by Google ... which I think has been this way for at least a few years... Google reports many thousands of hits when you do the search, but when you actually look at the hits, there's a vastly smaller number.

So when I want to check Google hit counts, Here's the procedure, with results for ("Newsmax" "conservative") as of today:
1. Do the search, preferably in quotes. (about 500,000)
2. Go to last page of results. (for some reason, only 116)
3. Click on "repeat the search". (about 498,000)
4. Go to last page of results. (498)

[[User:Fabrickator|Fabrickator]] ([[User talk:Fabrickator|talk]]) 19:29, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

== Proposal of updated introduction to better reflect the allegedly state of many of newsmax views and claims ==

---Currently:---

'''Newsmax''' (or '''Newsmax.com''', previously styled '''NewsMax''') is an American [[Right-wing politics|right-wing]] to [[Far-right politics|far-right]] news and opinion website founded by [[Christopher Ruddy]] on September 16, 1998, and operated by Newsmax Media. The website is divided into four main sections: Newsmax, Newsmax Health, Newsmax Finance, and Newsmax World, each of which is divided into various subsections. Newsmax Media also operates a print magazine called '''''Newsmax''''' as well as the [[United States cable news|cable news channel]] [[Newsmax TV]].

Newsmax launched a cable TV channel on June 16, 2014 to 35 million satellite subscribers through [[DirecTV]] and [[Dish Network]]. As of May 2019, the network reaches about 75 million cable homes and has wide [[digital media player]]/mobile device availability. The channel primarily broadcasts from Newsmax's New York studio on [[East Side (Manhattan)|Manhattan's East Side]], with two headquarters in [[Boca Raton, Florida]] and [[Washington, D.C.|Washington, DC.]]<sup>[''[[Wikipedia:NOTRS|better source needed]]'']</sup>


This article page is half true and half propaganda. Stop letting them confuse you. [[Special:Contributions/73.248.3.30|73.248.3.30]] ([[User talk:73.248.3.30|talk]]) 21:23, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
The website has been described by ''[[The New York Times]]'' as a "potent force" in U.S. politics. CEO Christopher Ruddy has attempted to position the network as a competitor to [[Fox News]], including by hiring former Fox News hosts [[Rob Schmitt]], [[Greg Kelly]], [[Bob Sellers]] and [[Heather Childers]]. ''[[The Washington Post]]'' described Newsmax as "a landing spot for cable news personalities in need of a new home," citing the network's airing of [[Mark Halperin]] and [[Bill O'Reilly (political commentator)|Bill O'Reilly]] following their resignations from other networks due to sexual harassment allegations.
:OK, but which half? [[User:Soibangla|soibangla]] ([[User talk:Soibangla|talk]]) 21:30, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
::if Newsmax is far-right, that would make CNN far-left. Yet the page for CNN is not described as such. This here is the very reason why Wikipedia is for entertainment and not reliable source and rejected by major academia. [[Special:Contributions/39.15.58.57|39.15.58.57]] ([[User talk:39.15.58.57|talk]]) 03:33, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
:::"if Newsmax is far-right, that would make CNN far-left." Do you even know what these terms mean? [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 10:43, 22 March 2023 (UTC)


== Removal with edit reason that had no relation ==
After the [[2020 United States presidential election]], Newsmax published numerous [[Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election|conspiracy theories]] made by President [[Donald Trump]] and the Trump campaign about [[voter fraud]] in the 2020 election, though the network never confirmed the veracity of the statements and accepted the election of [[Joe Biden]] as duly elected President. Newsmax later issued an apology and publicly retracted any voter fraud conspiracy allegations. When asked about Newsmax's support of former President Trump, Ruddy stated, "We have an editorial policy of being supportive of the president and [[Presidency of Donald Trump|his policies]]".


[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Newsmax&diff=prev&oldid=1160046464 This edit] removed large amount of content with edit reason that nothing to do with the content that was removed.[[Special:Contributions/2001:8003:34A3:800:A9EA:6A17:ED7:A25A|2001:8003:34A3:800:A9EA:6A17:ED7:A25A]] ([[User talk:2001:8003:34A3:800:A9EA:6A17:ED7:A25A|talk]]) 11:22, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
---New version:---
: Good catch. Now restored. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) ('''''[[Help:Notifications|<span style="color:#0bf">PING me</span>]]''''') 14:47, 19 July 2023 (UTC)


== Is it really news? ==
'''Newsmax''' (or '''Newsmax.com''', previously styled '''NewsMax''') is an American now [https://www.npr.org/2021/02/26/971910722/what-happens-when-extremism-becomes-mainstream mainstream] [[Far-right politics|far-right]] news and opinion website founded by [[Christopher Ruddy]] on September 16, 1998, and operated by Newsmax Media. The website is divided into four main sections: Newsmax, Newsmax Health, Newsmax Finance, and Newsmax World, each of which is divided into various subsections. Newsmax Media also operates a print magazine called '''''Newsmax''''' as well as the [[United States cable news|cable news channel]] [[Newsmax TV]].


a media company employing current congress people to promote their opinions is not news. In fact, I don't see a single journalist amongst their content. Any current events are discussed through a conservative lens and not reported as is. (IE Like you see on the local news about breaking news or summary of the day's events).
Newsmax launched a cable TV channel on June 16, 2014 to 35 million satellite subscribers through [[DirecTV]] and [[Dish Network]]. As of May 2019, the network reaches about 75 million cable homes and has wide [[digital media player]]/mobile device availability. The channel primarily broadcasts from Newsmax's New York studio on [[East Side (Manhattan)|Manhattan's East Side]], with two headquarters in [[Boca Raton, Florida]] and [[Washington, D.C.|Washington, DC.]]<sup>[''[[Wikipedia:NOTRS|better source needed]]'']</sup>


Just seems like this is another attempt to hide conservative Propaganda under the guise of "news"... similar to info wars or brietbart [[Special:Contributions/2601:401:501:950:C011:F63:7F69:3C2F|2601:401:501:950:C011:F63:7F69:3C2F]] ([[User talk:2601:401:501:950:C011:F63:7F69:3C2F|talk]]) 00:32, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
The website has been described by ''[[The New York Times]]'' as a "potent force" in U.S. politics. CEO Christopher Ruddy has attempted to position the network as a competitor to [[Fox News]], including by hiring former Fox News hosts [[Rob Schmitt]], [[Greg Kelly]], [[Bob Sellers]] and [[Heather Childers]]. ''[[The Washington Post]]'' described Newsmax as "a landing spot for cable news personalities in need of a new home," citing the network's airing of [[Mark Halperin]] and [[Bill O'Reilly (political commentator)|Bill O'Reilly]] following their resignations from other networks due to sexual harassment allegations.


== Citations supporting usage of conservative, right wing, etc ==
After the [[2020 United States presidential election]], Newsmax published numerous [[Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election|alleged conspiracy theories]] made by President [[Donald Trump]] and the Trump campaign about [[voter fraud]] in the 2020 election, though the network never confirmed the veracity of the statements and accepted the election of [[Joe Biden]] as duly elected President. Newsmax later issued an apology and publicly retracted any voter fraud conspiracy allegations. When asked about Newsmax's support of former President Trump, Ruddy stated, "We have an editorial policy of being supportive of the president and [[Presidency of Donald Trump|his policies]]". However, since the election, numerous heavily criticized sources, have documented extensive data points that points to would be evidence of wide-spread voter fraud: [https://rumble.com/vky68n--watch-live-patriot-news-outlet-mike-lindells-cyber-symposium-day-1-10am-es.html forensic data displayed at Patriot-News&#x20;Outlet-Mike&#x20;Lindell's&#x20;Cyber&#x20;Symposium-Day&#x20;1-8/10/2021, from 03:31:00], the movie [[imdbtitle:18924506|2000-mules]] and many voter fraud [https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/yes-america-there-voter-fraud-these-recent-cases-prove-it lawsuits] have been ruled by US courts. Even social media giant facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg [https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/mark-zuckerberg-admits-facebook-censored-hunter-biden-laptop-story-during-2020-u-s-elections/article65815040.ece admitted] and [https://www.wionews.com/world/ranking-and-newsfeed-were-a-little-bit-less-zuckerberg-admits-facebook-censored-hunter-biden-laptop-story-510280 here] censorship of the very high profile story of Hunter Biden laptop, at a generic FBI request (!), that allegedly would have influenced the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.


The first 36 citations are out of order. Sources using "right wing" are in the group cited as using "conservative" and vice versa, so on.
[[User:Edotor|Edotor]] ([[User talk:Edotor|talk]]) 00:08, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
It may also be worthwhile to pull the relevant quote from every source and add it to the citation text (currently some do this).
I'm not entirely familiar with the template used for these citation groups, so if someone else wants to step in, please do. But I'm going to work on it. [[User:Moran Wright|Moran Wright]] ([[User talk:Moran Wright|talk]]) 15:14, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


:Thank you FMSky! [[User:Moran Wright|Moran Wright]] ([[User talk:Moran Wright|talk]]) 21:44, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
:The [https://www.npr.org/2021/02/26/971910722/what-happens-when-extremism-becomes-mainstream NPR article] does not mention Newsmax, so we cannot use that to label Newsmax as mainstream. Many of the reliable sources cited in the article portray Newsmax as an upstart that is challenging the mainstream Fox News.
::Im still not 100% sure if its completely fixed though, could you maybe look again --[[User:FMSky|FMSky]] ([[User talk:FMSky|talk]]) 21:59, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
:The other new links in the suggested version do not mention Newsmax, and the suggested additions lack the context presented in [[Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election]] and {{slink|2020 United States presidential election#False claims of fraud}}. —&nbsp;'''''[[User:Newslinger|<span style="color:#536267;">Newslinger</span>]]'''&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Newslinger#top|<span style="color:#708090;">talk</span>]]</small>'' 22:39, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
:::Yes, I will go through them. I believe I understand the coding on these grouped citations, and the quotes. I'll try to do the fixes myself an let you know when I'm done. [[User:Moran Wright|Moran Wright]] ([[User talk:Moran Wright|talk]]) 14:00, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


== History ==
== NYTimes quote (reversion of edit) ==


I made some minor edits to the 2009-10 period which now ends
I have attempted to ask Dronebogus (on his talk page) why he reverted my change of "The website has been described by The New York Times a "potent force" in U.S. politics.""
to "The website has been described by The New York Times as a "potent force in conservative politics."" -- which is the quote as it is printed in the NYTimes.


"closing 2009 with $36 million revenues, up from $25 million the year before. A 2010 New York Post story reported that the paper's long-time former editor Kenneth Chandler would become Newsmax Magazine's editor-in-chief. Earlier Ruddy had told ''[[Business Insider]]'' the company expected annual 2010 revenues to reach $50 million."
I don't see the argument for a paraphrase here. The paraphrase is also not quite faithful to the meaning of the original. "U.S. politics" does not equal "conservative politics."
Dronebogus has not responded to my query, and it has been over a week. Would anyone else care to step in? [[User:Moran Wright|Moran Wright]] ([[User talk:Moran Wright|talk]]) 15:05, 29 December 2022 (UTC)


but wonder if there should be more radical editing there and for other periods. [[User:Mcljlm|Mcljlm]] ([[User talk:Mcljlm|talk]]) 01:08, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
After further consideration, and finding usage examples supporting both constructions in reputable sources, I'll let this lie.

Latest revision as of 23:48, 19 November 2024


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This article page is half true and half propaganda. Stop letting them confuse you. 73.248.3.30 (talk) 21:23, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK, but which half? soibangla (talk) 21:30, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
if Newsmax is far-right, that would make CNN far-left. Yet the page for CNN is not described as such. This here is the very reason why Wikipedia is for entertainment and not reliable source and rejected by major academia. 39.15.58.57 (talk) 03:33, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"if Newsmax is far-right, that would make CNN far-left." Do you even know what these terms mean? Dimadick (talk) 10:43, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Removal with edit reason that had no relation

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This edit removed large amount of content with edit reason that nothing to do with the content that was removed.2001:8003:34A3:800:A9EA:6A17:ED7:A25A (talk) 11:22, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good catch. Now restored. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 14:47, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is it really news?

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a media company employing current congress people to promote their opinions is not news. In fact, I don't see a single journalist amongst their content. Any current events are discussed through a conservative lens and not reported as is. (IE Like you see on the local news about breaking news or summary of the day's events).

Just seems like this is another attempt to hide conservative Propaganda under the guise of "news"... similar to info wars or brietbart 2601:401:501:950:C011:F63:7F69:3C2F (talk) 00:32, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Citations supporting usage of conservative, right wing, etc

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The first 36 citations are out of order. Sources using "right wing" are in the group cited as using "conservative" and vice versa, so on. It may also be worthwhile to pull the relevant quote from every source and add it to the citation text (currently some do this). I'm not entirely familiar with the template used for these citation groups, so if someone else wants to step in, please do. But I'm going to work on it. Moran Wright (talk) 15:14, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you FMSky! Moran Wright (talk) 21:44, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Im still not 100% sure if its completely fixed though, could you maybe look again --FMSky (talk) 21:59, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I will go through them. I believe I understand the coding on these grouped citations, and the quotes. I'll try to do the fixes myself an let you know when I'm done. Moran Wright (talk) 14:00, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

History

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I made some minor edits to the 2009-10 period which now ends

"closing 2009 with $36 million revenues, up from $25 million the year before. A 2010 New York Post story reported that the paper's long-time former editor Kenneth Chandler would become Newsmax Magazine's editor-in-chief. Earlier Ruddy had told Business Insider the company expected annual 2010 revenues to reach $50 million."

but wonder if there should be more radical editing there and for other periods. Mcljlm (talk) 01:08, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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