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Hi. Please don't use edit summary to make your argument regarding an issue. Instead, it's healthier to initiate a talk page conversation. Thumbs only topped the Bubbling Hot 100, not Dance Club Songs like other songs did. It's simpler and direct to frame a sentence about songs in the lead when they all share a similar record/position, such as topping the Dance Club chart. Therefore, it's more concise to include only the singles that topped that chart and not all of her singles. Regards. [[User:Ronherry|'''<span style="font-family:Cursive; color:#47452e; padding: 2px" lang="en">ℛonherry</span>''']][[User talk:Ronherry|'''<span style="color:#c7c39d">☘</span>''']] 12:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hi. Thanks for getting in touch. I would appreciate it if you could stop being [[Wikipedia:Passive aggression|passive aggressive]] in your edit summaries saying for example: "Your reason 'it's so successful tho'" or "Because that's your personal opinion [...]". Where have I inserted my personal opinions? You are assuming I have violated [[WP:NPOV]] yet Wikipedia's "[[WP:5P4|4th pillar]]" is to [[Wikipedia:Assume good faith|Assume good faith]]. You might not be intending to be passive aggressive but that is how I feel. |
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:As for the issue on hand: Thumbs is one of Carpenter's most successful songs so I do not see an issue with mentioning it considering it DID top a chart - Bubbling Under Hot 100 chart - and was her highest entry on the chart until 2021. Saying which chart seems superfluous as its not the Hot 100 (aka the main US chart) and therefore since Thumbs also went number one, its sensible to mention it at least once. It is also her most watched music video and one of her most streamed songs so it's not an unknown song. [[User:Maxwell King123321|<span style="font-family:Fraktur; color:#6A09F6">Maxwell King</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Maxwell King123321|<span style="font-family:Fraktur; color:#41D596">123321</span>]]</sup> 13:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC) |
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::I'm going to address only the issue at hand here. See, that's the thing, you ''want'' to include Thumbs because you just want it to be included. The thought process should be {{green|"Three of Carpenter's songs have topped the Dance chart. What are those? Ah yes, Almost Love, Sue Me and Alien."}} It shouldn't be {{red|"Oh, Thumbs isn't included. How can I try to include it??"}}. Your approach to choosing what stays and not stays in the lead should be objective, not subjective. The Bubbling chart is neither a genre chart nor a significant chart. Unless, Thumbs has achieved a significant record, like topping a credible chart or achieving a career-high entry for Carpenter on a chart, it can't be on the lead. You claimed Thumbs is her most watched music video. If so, that's a good reason to includ Thumbs in the lead. Do you have a reliable secondary source to support that apart from mere views on YouTube? [[User:Ronherry|'''<span style="font-family:Cursive; color:#47452e; padding: 2px" lang="en">ℛonherry</span>''']][[User talk:Ronherry|'''<span style="color:#c7c39d">☘</span>''']] 21:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:::You cannot say that this is the only issue at hand here because you know what you are doing and how you are acting towards me and other editors. Also, how can you make the assumption that I "''want'' to include Thumbs because you just want it to be included"? Where have I said that? |
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:::Anyway, I will not be replying further. I thought YOU could be civil but alas you cannot. Therefore, you can once again do whatever you want with the page I am removing it from my watchlist. Please deal with your [[WP:OWN]] issues. You quite frankly are a rude person. [[User:Maxwell King123321|<span style="font-family:Fraktur; color:#6A09F6">Maxwell King</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Maxwell King123321|<span style="font-family:Fraktur; color:#41D596">123321</span>]]</sup> 02:33, 17 April 2024 (UTC) |
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Regarding [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Espresso_(song)&diff=prev&oldid=1220298357 this edit], the information needs to be sourced everywhere it is contained on the article, so those notes should have been left there until the sources updated. Thanks. <b>[[User:Ss112|<span style="color: #FF6347;">Ss</span>]]<small>[[User talk:Ss112|<span style="color: #1E90FF;">112</span>]]</small></b> 00:13, 23 April 2024 (UTC) |
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::What are you talking about? The sources are updated already hence why a secondary source is not needed. [[User:Maxwell King123321|<span style="font-family:Fraktur; color:#6A09F6">Maxwell King</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Maxwell King123321|<span style="font-family:Fraktur; color:#41D596">123321</span>]]</sup> 04:54, 23 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:::I was not sure if the information was, at that time, contained in the sources already. If they were, then this part does not apply. <b>[[User:Ss112|<span style="color: #FF6347;">Ss</span>]]<small>[[User talk:Ss112|<span style="color: #1E90FF;">112</span>]]</small></b> 20:45, 23 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:Also, [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Sabrina_Carpenter_discography&diff=prev&oldid=1220298215 edits like this] are not as helpful as you might imagine. Merging the sources because of a temporary "inconvenience" like the cells are elongated obscures the source, whereas the presence of the citation directly below the citation is more helpful to readers to emphasise that the chart positions are new and an exception to the header source, as they are, and will be removed in due course, like when the header source(s) update. I only merge the sources when the sources are intended to be permanent or semi-permanent. <b>[[User:Ss112|<span style="color: #FF6347;">Ss</span>]]<small>[[User talk:Ss112|<span style="color: #1E90FF;">112</span>]]</small></b> 00:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC) |
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::In regards to this, they can't be removed because they are the literal sources for some of them. For example, New Zealand and Ireland source specific songs only. So why would they not be merged? Also, why would we want to "emphasise that the chart positions are new"? [[User:Maxwell King123321|<span style="font-family:Fraktur; color:#6A09F6">Maxwell King</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Maxwell King123321|<span style="font-family:Fraktur; color:#41D596">123321</span>]]</sup> 04:54, 23 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:::I didn't ''say'' the sources should be removed. I know they shouldn't be removed. I'm saying there's no point in merging temporary citations into the header sources, which it seems like you're doing for some sort of aesthetic reason (the alignment of the chart positions doesn't match up because some of the chart positions have sources below them / it makes the cells look "not neat"). At least, that's the reasoning I've come across most frequently for why editors merge the sources that are placed directly below the chart positions into the header sources. If that's not the reason, then let me know what was your reasoning. |
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:::My point is that should really only be done if the citations are intended to be there permanently, as in, the information will not be contained in the header source within a week or two. My wording got a bit twisted up, but the presence of the citation directly below indicates the information is new/temporary/impermanent and can change week to week (as plenty of songs in 2024 do not debut at their peaks), whereas having information in a header source that has for artists like Carpenter been there longer implies that particular information has some intention of being there permanently when it doesn't. Trying to navigate to the header source, if it's even contained in that section (as some references are defined in earlier/different sections), can be a headache. That might not necessarily be the case on Carpenter's discography and you don't have to agree with that particular line of reasoning, but it's also more helpful for editors like myself who like to go through quickly and update a set of chart peaks to have them below the chart peak itself. <b>[[User:Ss112|<span style="color: #FF6347;">Ss</span>]]<small>[[User talk:Ss112|<span style="color: #1E90FF;">112</span>]]</small></b> 20:45, 23 April 2024 (UTC) |
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