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Local interest magazines and sourcing

Just to be sure I looked into the magazine, Sonoma Magazine, and started an article on it (as per Wikipedia:Notability (media) one can use journalism awards as a basis of notability). It's a local interest magazine that covers food and wine in the Napa Valley and Sonoma Valley areas of California: as this food/wine stuff is a softball topic I don't see why an American local interest magazine wouldn't be sufficient for comparing/contrasting two different kinds of Indian-style food. (the magazine had covered Indian-style food in the Sonoma/Napa areas for that article) WhisperToMe (talk) 19:13, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You're probably right that my edit summary was a bit dismissive, but I genuinely don't think that the claim should be in the article. Regardless of the respectability of the Sonoma magazine, it's effectively reporting the opinion of a single chef in the US on the difference between two dishes primarily associated with the UK and India. In addition, we have multiple sources in the article stating that there is not really a universally-adhered to definition of Chicken Tikka Masala, so any claim that there is a specific difference between it and another dish should be viewed with significant suspicion. Regarding it being my job to rewrite the section to be intelligible to a British audience- I'm afraid this is impossible as the current language is genuinely unintelligible to me: I have literally no idea what the claim that it uses a "non-gravy sauce" is supposed to mean, and the original article doesn't enlighten me. If the claim is that there are meat juices in the tikka massala sauce, this does not seem to be backed up by the rest of the article. In any case, per WP:EngVar this is an article that strongly leans towards British interest and therefore the article should be written in British English. Would you be happy if we removed the strong claim of the difference between butter chicken and chicken tikka, but left the (imo, correct) claim that they are very similar dishes with the same sourcing? Porphyro (talk) 15:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for adding this to the discussion! I think saying they are similar and/or attributing who is saying which similarity (for example Sonoma Magazine says... while "other magazine says"...) would be a good idea. Strictly speaking while articles are geared towards one variety or another, Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English states that language common to all varieties of English is preferable when possible WhisperToMe (talk) 02:05, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Robin Cook speech

I have removed mention of Robin Cook's speech from the lede for two reasons. Firstly, due to lack of current notability: the speech is over twenty years old, the speaker died over 16 years ago and recent references to it appear to be very thin on the ground. Secondly, the assertion of a British origin of the dish is not proven beyond doubt (see body) and its position in the lede may be an irritant to certain readers, who then choose to refute the assertion, often with damaging results to the completeness and impartiality of the article. In my view it is sufficient that his speech is only mentioned in the body. Other opinions welcome. Regards Guffydrawers (talk) 15:16, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

first things first

it is unclear what the brit innovation is here. chicken tikka is a legitimate indian dish and chicken masala is a legitimate indian dish, but COMBINING the two was new? is that it?

or is it claimed that "chicken masala" -- with or without the chicken being "tikkafied" -- is itself somehow not indian?

robin cook's quote just adds to the confusion. brits like their meats served in gravy? huh? as opposed to indians who eat them all DRY?!

isn't like 90% of indian food basically things floating in "gravy" (curry) of some sort or another?? how is that in ANY way a sign of fusion/brit influence on the dish?! 2601:19C:527F:A680:4CBC:B3B6:1510:8C32 (talk) 02:08, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the sources quoted in the article for explanations. 2A00:6020:B0B5:F600:6528:DDC9:A8D2:620C (talk) 14:16, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"90% of indian food is basically things floating in gravy" That may be your experience, wherever you may be, but Indian cuisine encompasses a huge variety of ingredients, combinations and preparation methods from a wealth of cultures and communities over thousands of years. These include myriad dishes that are not floating in anything. Do consider visiting the region, you may be surprised. 149.237.251.4 (talk) 11:31, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

yeah, they have a wide range of food, yadda yadda, but are u saying that curry-like dishes are SO rare that a UK pol would chime in "brits can't handle food this dry"?! or that an actual bowl of curry would elicit the response "must be british fusion; legit indian wouldn't be so wet" ?!?!

i'm gonna double down and assert that FAR more indian dishes, in fact, involve things floating in sauce than BRITISH dishes do! curry vs "meat and 2 veg", is it even a contest?!

unless someone is asserting that curry ITSELF came to india from the UK. i'm all ears. 2601:19C:527F:A660:5855:4C5E:50B0:F78D (talk) 04:16, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No one is saying White British people created it. British people can be Indian/Bengali. 66.234.201.244 (talk) 02:27, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Origin is from India itself !!! 103.220.215.253 (talk) 19:23, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 22:14, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Typo on the first paragraph

The dish was popularised by cooks from India(ns) living in Great Britain and is offered at restaurants around the world. Alterran (talk) 18:43, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No typo. The cooks came from India and were living in GB when they popularised the dish. Regards Guffydrawers (talk) 09:02, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place of origination

ok we admitted that Chicken Tikka masala is the national dish of UK But it was originated in India not in UK We can find several evidences in India and in its own name How Wikipedia could tell us lies

In the modern world I thought Wikipedia is the only trustable site on the internet But why it is also being dominated and forced to hide truth due to the influence of western countries

Please correct this mistake 2403:3800:220D:FAF8:99BF:9CF1:51D3:C7C0 (talk) 13:47, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing to correct. Evidently you didn't read the article before coming here to complain; the RS (reliable is the key word here) show that it was created by chefs of origin in the subcontinent, in the UK. If you have a reliable source which shows otherwise, feel free to present it here and we can discuss it. Happy days, ~ Lindsay^Hello 20:08, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Chicken Tikka masala is the national dish of UK". Interesting assertion, the article says it is a national dish. What makes you think there are no others?

"Wikipedia is the only trustable site on the internet". What a strange notion. It's an open collaborative project. Contributors can and do get things wrong. Why distrust all other sites?

"We can find several evidences". Excellent! Please share the reliable sources containing this evidence. We'll be glad to adjust the article accordingly.

Regards Guffydrawers (talk) 06:39, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia's definition of reliable sources is here. Feel free to post on this talk page the links you have to evidence you find. We'll confirm and integrate into the article, unless you'd rather do it yourself. Looking forward to these interesting revelations.

Regards Guffydrawers (talk) 13:57, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Foreign dish

Why does it say "According to a 2012 survey of 2,000 people in Britain, it was the country's second-most popular foreign dish to cook" if it is not a foreign dish for British people? Is there a better way to word this? Non-Traditional British/English dish perhaps? 66.234.201.244 (talk) 02:27, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is a quotation from a newspaper article. There's a link to it at the end of the sentence (currently number 23). Regards Guffydrawers (talk) 04:57, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]