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I wonder why Irma Grese was such horrible person. Is it true that she was a victim of the war. I am not a symperthizer of Nazis. But I fell really sorry for this young lady and even more sorry for the all the jews killed in the war. If she had been born in a peace time she not only would had lived a normal life by becoming a lover, wife and a mother but also would shown great courage and bravery in her work. It is indeed sad she treated jewish prisoners with animilistic treatment. It is very sad that she choses children to be gassed. But my view is that she should have been spared from hanging as she was a minor and a teenager at the time of the crime occured. (Irshad Cassim - Sri Lanka)
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It seems perfectly obvious that she was a depraved psychopath. Obviously, in peace time her behaviour would soon have landed her in jail and on the block. - Norvo, 00:08 UTC, 18 June 2006
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It's probably true that Irma Grese would have led a normal life if not for the war. But It's difficult to have sympathy for someone so cruel, especially considering her alleged collection of lampshades. It has been suggested that she was a nymphonanic, but according to the morality of the time, this may merely have meant she had a high sex drive. If she was mentally ill, she should have been spared. I have also read that her story inspired the Moors murderer Myra Hindley. Does anyone know if there's any truth in this?


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Irma Grese was a simple farm girl who became a postal clerk at Belsen. Does anyone believe a girl this beautiful would bed with some lice ridden camp criminals? [http://www.cwporter.com/heroic.htm Short biography]
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:Nice to see the latest generations of Nazi's are still at it. Oh well, they are sooooo amusing though, poor things! --[[User:RobNS|RobNS]] 23:37, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


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Portions of this article appear to be copied verbatim from [http://judicial-inc.biz/Irma_Grese_by_redirect.htm]. Also, the web page from which the text is taken appears very sympathetic to her and the Nazis in general. [[User:66.30.14.1|66.30.14.1]] 09:14, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
:This is indeed something to consider. That website seems to be either pro-Nazi, holocaust-denying, or both. [[User:JHMM13|JHMM13]] ([[User talk:JHMM13|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/JHMM13|C]]) [[Image:Flag of the United States.svg|25px|<nowiki></nowiki>]] [[Image:Flag of Germany.svg|25px|<nowiki></nowiki>]] 00:14, 16 April 2006 (UTC)


== Post-liberation Interview ==
Whether you are pro or anti nazi the facts stay the same. --[[User:88.109.191.249|88.109.191.249]] 14:12, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Both Grese and [[Josef Kramer|Kramer]] were interrogated shortly after the camp's liberation by [[Eric Brown (pilot)|Eric Brown]], who spoke fluent German, and who had been asked to do so by [[Hugh Llewellyn Glyn Hughes|Glyn Hughes]]. His opinion of them is on his linked article page.<!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/95.149.53.190|95.149.53.190]] ([[User talk:95.149.53.190#top|talk]]) 17:35, 15 March 2018</small>


[[Eric Brown (pilot)|Eric Brown]] did not go into much detail on Grese and [[Josef Kramer|Kramer]] in his book ''Wings on My Sleeve'', other than describing Grese as "the worst human being I have ever met." As of 2024-11-20, YouTube has a documentary on Brown. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32_BliefkGw Soviet Aircraft of WW2 | Legendary Test Pilot Eric Winkle Brown Talks About Soviet Planes] discusses Soviet aircraft that he flew, followed by his full career, and quite a lot of interviews. About 48 minutes in, he discusses the Belsen concentration camp in some detail, followed by a fairly detailed interview of Irma Grese. Is this usable as a source? [[User:JHowardGibson|JHowardGibson]] ([[User talk:JHowardGibson|talk]]) 19:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
== Neutrality ==

I read this article for research a few months ago and whilst the early parts appear the same, most of the latter half appears to have been substantially re-edited in her favour, as well as certain other statements (eg. the executioner's suicide) which didn't appear in the earlier article at all. It is also interesting that none of this supposedly verifiable information is referenced in any way.

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I think the POV-tag is misplaced. It should not refer to "War crimes" but to "Beautiful Beast".
The "War crimes" section is, in my view, factual and neutral. It just tells what she was accused of, and convicted for. The only ''factual mistake'' here seems to be the date of her conviction - I don't believe she was hanged the same day!
:Found meanwhile the correct date of conviction in a German document [http://www.bis.uni-oldenburg.de/bisverlag/taaang98/kap6.pdf] and changed it.--[[User:Kauko56|Kauko56]] 23:47, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

The "Beautiful Beast" section, however, dwells on her (alleged) lovers or sexual preferences and is therefore irrelevant for her place in history, or her legal guilt. The references for this section do not point to sources but to tabloid press clippings. If we want to shed some light on who she was as a person (not: as a criminal) we should at least try to get better sources.<br>
These are the reasons why I removed the POV-Tag from "War Crimes" and placed it on "Beautiful Beast".
--[[User:Kauko56|Kauko56]] 23:34, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I've been studying Mengele for a long time, and nowhere have I ever heard that he took Irma Grese as a lover. If anything, he was fiercely loyal to his wife, Irene, and she even lived with him at Auschwitz for about a year. I think a lot of this article is wishful thinking, trying to make another cruel SS guard into some romantic heroine. --Rebecca, Myrtle Beach SC 10/07/06

===War Crimes?===
Framed by "...hysterical Jewesses that wanted blood" ? The whole section is neo-Nazi claptrap.

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Even without knowing the true facts, anyone can see that the last paragraph on the subject of Irma Grese is Nazi Propaganda. Get rid of it!


Edited as of 10/8/06 into more or less the same state it was in previously - which, oddly, did include the bit about the ghost.

DG, Leeds

===Ghost Story===
I don't know where the ghost story regarding Krema 3 came from with the night watchman in 1948 - all the gas chambers and crematoria were destroyed by the guards (other than one blown up by prisoners) in 1945

== Neo-Nazis Again Pushing Their Pseudo-Heroine ==

The Neo-Nazis are at it again, massaging the article and trying to promote this depraved individual into some kind of glorious and victimized Aryan milkmaid. We'll have to keep an eye on this -- either that or have the article protected in some reasonably neutral form. I'd hate to have some innocent kid stumble across it in its current form and assume it's for real.

== Anti-Nazis Again Pushing Their Pseudo-Hate Figure ==

Parts of this "encyclopedic article" are taken from a webpage which also states the following: 'In her hut were found the skins of three inmates that she had had made into lamp shades'. Am I alone, really, in struggling with the utter harebrained stupidity of that preposterous claim and if such a claim could be made, and people would believe it, surely it puts the rest of the charges under extreme strain and a posthumous pardon should be considered for this young lady. --[[User:88.111.194.14|88.111.194.14]] 14:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


My grandfather is a WWII vet that was part of the company that liberated Auschwitz, and one of the things he has told me about, many times, were the lampshades made of human skin. Apparently they prized skin with birthmarks or tattooes. He has also seen (and I have seen a photo he snapped of this) a human pelvic bone polished and stained, being used as an ashtray holder.

A posthumous pardon would be neither here nor there; her crimes have been committed and she is surely suffering for them. --Rebecca, Myrtle Beach SC 7/10/06

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Both Grese and Kramer were interrogated shortly after the camp's liberation by Eric Brown, who spoke fluent German, and who had been asked to do so by Glyn Hughes. His opinion of them is on his linked article page.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.53.190 (talk) 17:35, 15 March 2018

Eric Brown did not go into much detail on Grese and Kramer in his book Wings on My Sleeve, other than describing Grese as "the worst human being I have ever met." As of 2024-11-20, YouTube has a documentary on Brown. Soviet Aircraft of WW2 | Legendary Test Pilot Eric Winkle Brown Talks About Soviet Planes discusses Soviet aircraft that he flew, followed by his full career, and quite a lot of interviews. About 48 minutes in, he discusses the Belsen concentration camp in some detail, followed by a fairly detailed interview of Irma Grese. Is this usable as a source? JHowardGibson (talk) 19:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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