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== Removing maps from dozens of articles == |
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⚫ | Hey SaintPaulOfTarsus! I went ahead and opened a discussion on RSN for the verification of "battle of Kherson" discussion. I pinged you in it, but I wanted to give you a courtesy link to it here as well. Cheers! [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Verification of a phrase]]. '''The [[User:WeatherWriter|Weather Event Writer]]''' ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|Talk Page)]] 16:38, 6 July 2024 (UTC) |
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[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] I have just noticed that you have been removing maps from over 30 articles in the past month. These edits have been rolled back as the discussion you have cited for removing these maps is regarding only one of them. I can understand if you wanted to adhere to [[WP:BRD]] by removing what you consider are unreliable files but you have been reverted now and it is time to discuss. |
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It is important to respect users works when reverting even if you may find them problematic. Outright reversion should be the last cause when trying to fix problems. Almost all of the files you have removed appear to be works of user [[User:Rr016|Rr016]]. I am sure he can address your concerns about sourcing of these files. |
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== Pre-emptive protection == |
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You also appear to be a fairly new user, having joined Wikipedia some six months ago. I can assure you that most of these files have been added with consensus with multiple editors over the past decades. I would like to call in user [[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]] on this issue, with whom I've been collaborating on multiple Syria related articles in the past. [[User:Ecrusized|Ecrusized]] ([[User talk:Ecrusized|talk]]) 13:57, 30 March 2024 (UTC) |
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There really isn't a need to request the protection of pages like [[92nd Assault Brigade (Ukraine)]] preemptively. If there is no actual disruption on the pages many admins will decline these. [[User:Elli|Elli]] ([[User_talk:Elli|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Elli|contribs]]) 22:17, 25 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:Yes, I saw the removals also. I would like the say that the source you are referring to for the removals, Suriyak, was discussed several times at the height of the Syrian civil war and general editor consensus (among those who were following the conflict and were familiar with the source) was he is a reliable source and thus was used as an RS, both for map changes and map generation. And that has been the case for almost a decade, with almost no objections. [[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]] ([[User talk:EkoGraf|talk]]) 15:53, 30 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::@[[User:Ecrusized|Ecrusized]], @[[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]]: Thank you for your comments here. Yes, the removals were bold, and in hindsight, rather provocative; I apologize if this caused disruption. |
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::My precedent for the removals was the 7 March removal of the map on the [[Syrian civil war]] page, which was done by a veteran editor who has contributed in the MILHIST space since 2014. At the very top of the [[Talk:Syrian civil war#Infobox map|discussion in question]], he says {{tq|I deleted the map from the infobox as its source fails WP:RS}}. Of the later participants, none attempted to dispute that ''Suriyak maps'' was unreliable; indeed, most agreed with that sentiment. I interpreted this series of events as a consensus on the unreliability of a source, justifying additional map removals in the same vein. Looking back, the sheer number of articles that this affected definitely necessitated further discussion on [[WP:POINT]] grounds alone. Mea culpa. |
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::That being said, EkoGraf, if you are able to locate the previous discussions regarding this source, they would certainly be welcome at [[Talk:Syrian civil war#Infobox map]], where editors seem unaware of the consensus you mentioned, having variously referred to ''Suriyak maps'' as {{tq|unreliable}}, {{tq|basically some X account}}, a source in violation of [[WP:RS]] and [[WP:SPS]], and even a {{tq|possible pro-Russian propaganda channel}}, as Ecrusized put it. It is possible said discussions predate newer recommendations at [[WP:RSPTWITTER]], and this particular account being RS would definitely seem to be a prominent exception to the usual standards that even very experienced editors are accustomed to, considering the language I quoted. |
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::I hope that I have addressed the issues that prompted a discussion on my personal talk page; let us continue to address this matter at [[Talk:Syrian civil war#Infobox map]], so the other involved parties can weigh in. My best regards to you both. [[User:SaintPaulOfTarsus|SaintPaulOfTarsus]] ([[User talk:SaintPaulOfTarsus#top|talk]]) 00:43, 31 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::@[[User:Ecrusized|Ecrusized]], @[[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]]: I have opened a discussion on SuriyakMaps and the maps derived from it at [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#SuriyakMaps on Twitter]]. As experienced editors in the relevant topics, I strongly encourage both of you to add your perspectives to the conversation. [[User:SaintPaulOfTarsus|SaintPaulOfTarsus]] ([[User talk:SaintPaulOfTarsus#top|talk]]) 01:46, 2 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hi, regarding [[92nd Assault Brigade (Ukraine)]] please see relatively recent unsourced additions and changes by IPs [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=92nd_Assault_Brigade_(Ukraine)&diff=prev&oldid=1231937196 here], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=92nd_Assault_Brigade_(Ukraine)&diff=prev&oldid=1231935758 here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=92nd_Assault_Brigade_(Ukraine)&diff=prev&oldid=1231943729 here] for instance. Edits like these are very frequent on Ukrainian military unit pages leading to totally unverifiable lists of sub-units but I will be sure to include diffs in future requests. Appreciate the advice. [[User:SaintPaulOfTarsus|SaintPaulOfTarsus]] ([[User talk:SaintPaulOfTarsus#top|talk]]) 00:27, 26 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::Thanks. I'll protect that page given this reason (in general, even a minimal reason is fine for this topic area, but requesting a ton of pages with no reason makes it kinda difficult for admins who watch RFPP). [[User:Elli|Elli]] ([[User_talk:Elli|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Elli|contribs]]) 02:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks, Elli, understood. I can see how it looks like I requested those pages pre-emptively or for no reason, but nearly all of them have very similar recent unsourced edits made by IPs in the same range. I have no problem adding the diffs to the requests to demonstrate that to administrators once I have a free moment. [[User:SaintPaulOfTarsus|SaintPaulOfTarsus]] ([[User talk:SaintPaulOfTarsus#top|talk]]) 03:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC) |
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How are you doing? I am writing to you just to inform you there is a [https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0:%D0%90%D0%B4%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0 discussion going on] in the neighborhood, on the Serbian Wikipedia. A certain user is complaining about his mistreatment on the English Wikipedia. He is says his articles about Russian children killed in Donbas (Alley of Angels) was deleted a long time ago for no reason at all. You know this guy. He goes by the name of Baba Mica. A really temperamental fella, I can tell. You is quite pissed off.--[[User:Владимир Нимчевић|Владимир Нимчевић]] ([[User talk:Владимир Нимчевић|talk]]) 20:11, 30 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:Greetings Vladimir Nimčević. I am aware of the user, though I do not recall us interacting often. I was not a participant in any of the discussions mentioned on the Serbian Wikipedia, including that of the Alley of Angels (I would have opposed its deletion), so I would suggest that you message some other users who may have been more familiar with this person. Regards [[User:SaintPaulOfTarsus|SaintPaulOfTarsus]] ([[User talk:SaintPaulOfTarsus#top|talk]]) 01:26, 31 July 2024 (UTC) |
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They moved the discussion [https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0:%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B3/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%BE here]. Baba Mica is angry and expects justice. :) --[[User:Владимир Нимчевић|Владимир Нимчевић]] ([[User talk:Владимир Нимчевић|talk]]) 14:55, 31 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:Compliments for the introduction. [[User:SaintPaulOfTarsus|SaintPaulOfTarsus]] ([[User talk:SaintPaulOfTarsus#top|talk]]) 01:57, 2 November 2024 (UTC) |
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[edit]Hey SaintPaulOfTarsus! I went ahead and opened a discussion on RSN for the verification of "battle of Kherson" discussion. I pinged you in it, but I wanted to give you a courtesy link to it here as well. Cheers! Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Verification of a phrase. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 16:38, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Compliments @WeatherWriter SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 23:45, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Pre-emptive protection
[edit]There really isn't a need to request the protection of pages like 92nd Assault Brigade (Ukraine) preemptively. If there is no actual disruption on the pages many admins will decline these. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:17, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, regarding 92nd Assault Brigade (Ukraine) please see relatively recent unsourced additions and changes by IPs here, here and here for instance. Edits like these are very frequent on Ukrainian military unit pages leading to totally unverifiable lists of sub-units but I will be sure to include diffs in future requests. Appreciate the advice. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 00:27, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'll protect that page given this reason (in general, even a minimal reason is fine for this topic area, but requesting a ton of pages with no reason makes it kinda difficult for admins who watch RFPP). Elli (talk | contribs) 02:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, Elli, understood. I can see how it looks like I requested those pages pre-emptively or for no reason, but nearly all of them have very similar recent unsourced edits made by IPs in the same range. I have no problem adding the diffs to the requests to demonstrate that to administrators once I have a free moment. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 03:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'll protect that page given this reason (in general, even a minimal reason is fine for this topic area, but requesting a ton of pages with no reason makes it kinda difficult for admins who watch RFPP). Elli (talk | contribs) 02:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Serbian wiki
[edit]How are you doing? I am writing to you just to inform you there is a discussion going on in the neighborhood, on the Serbian Wikipedia. A certain user is complaining about his mistreatment on the English Wikipedia. He is says his articles about Russian children killed in Donbas (Alley of Angels) was deleted a long time ago for no reason at all. You know this guy. He goes by the name of Baba Mica. A really temperamental fella, I can tell. You is quite pissed off.--Владимир Нимчевић (talk) 20:11, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Greetings Vladimir Nimčević. I am aware of the user, though I do not recall us interacting often. I was not a participant in any of the discussions mentioned on the Serbian Wikipedia, including that of the Alley of Angels (I would have opposed its deletion), so I would suggest that you message some other users who may have been more familiar with this person. Regards SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 01:26, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
They moved the discussion here. Baba Mica is angry and expects justice. :) --Владимир Нимчевић (talk) 14:55, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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