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Alternatives to oil

I'm afraid in merging with "Fuel" we have orphaned those uses of oil which do not include "fuel" Oil is a base for petrochemicals as well as plastics and pesticides (a non-fuel petrochemical). These are quite important uses of oil, and I suggest we find a way to embrace them. Perhaps we merge the other way - and make Energy one of several uses for oil which require alternatives? Benjamin Gatti

Renaming of article

The article can perhaps be renamed to "Combustible energetic fluid"/Combustible energy substances. This as the main focus is on ("alternative") combustible energy carriers, eg those that can be burned in a conventional internal combustion engine (so that engines may be modified rather than swapped).Also, the substances must be storable (holding its energy over some degree of time)

Renewable power (electricity) is not storable (unless in a battery, but then the energy source is the battery; not the power) and should be removed.

Biomass (pure wood) can also be used as a "fuel" (see http://www.biomassauthority.com/a/precer-bioracer-biomass-car/) Not sure where to mention it however, perhaps on other article as it probably cant be burned in a ICE engine. Biochar too can probably be mentioned.

Alternate fuel

where alternate fuels mainly used? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.178.124.60 (talk) 11:45, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Alternate fuel are used in motor vehicles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.136.155.56 (talk) 19:29, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lead Citations, Definition

Our lead isn't sourced, nor is the definition the article is built around. Can we find a definition of alternative fuels? The US National Highway and Transit Safety Authority says:

      (1) "alternative fuel" means - 
         (A) methanol;
         (B) denatured ethanol;
         (C) other alcohols;
         (D) except as provided in subsection (b) of this section, a
       mixture containing at least 85 percent of methanol, denatured
       ethanol, and other alcohols by volume with gasoline or other
       fuels;
         (E) natural gas;
         (F) liquefied petroleum gas;
         (G) hydrogen;
         (H) coal derived liquid fuels;
         (I) fuels (except alcohol) derived from biological materials;
         (J) electricity (including electricity from solar energy);
       and
         (K) any other fuel the Secretary of Transportation prescribes
       by regulation that is not substantially petroleum and that
       would yield substantial energy security and environmental
       benefits.

Code of Federal Regulations Section 32901 Any other definitions from other sources? JoBaWik (talk) 12:57, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder why coal-derived liquid fuels but not methane-derived synthetics. I would suggest simply generalizing to "sustainable non-fossil fuels or non-petroleum fossil fuels with environmental benefits over petroleum" which doesn't cover LP or coal-derived liquids, but those aren't in this article anyway. —Cupco 02:10, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Storage is not Fuel

Several of the entries here are storage and must not be considered to be a fuel source: Hydrogen, Compressed Air, Liquid Nitrogen.--Graham Proud (talk) 11:01, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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 I'm afraid in merging with "Fuel" we have orphaned those uses of oil which do not include "fuel" Oil is a base for petrochemicals as well as plastics and pesticides (a non-fuel petrochemical). These are quite important uses of oil, and I suggest we find a way to embrace them. Perhaps we merge the other way - and make Energy one of several uses for oil which require alternatives? [[User:Benjamin Gatti|Benjamin Gatti]]
-== Bi liquid fuels ==
+== Renaming of article ==
+The article can perhaps be renamed to "Combustible energetic fluid"/Combustible energy substances.
-Oil and water can mixed in a stable form, without a suffactant type of ticco pitties
+This as the main focus is on ("alternative") combustible energy carriers, eg those that can be burned in a conventional internal combustion engine (so that engines may be modified rather than swapped).Also, the substances must be storable (holding its energy over some degree of time)
+Renewable power (electricity) is not storable (unless in a battery, but then the energy source is the battery; not the power) and should be removed.
-There is the possibility to water down all oil based fuels by up to 20%
+Biomass (pure wood) can also be used as a "fuel" (see http://www.biomassauthority.com/a/precer-bioracer-biomass-car/) Not sure where to mention it however, perhaps on other article as it probably cant be burned in a ICE engine. Biochar too can probably be mentioned.
-Providing the mix contains some ethanol the fuel retains its power
+== Alternate fuel ==
-This can be possible and the mixture will remain a stable dispersion providing the fluids are put through the correct process
-Philip McDowell  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/212.32.121.253|212.32.121.253]] ([[User talk:212.32.121.253|talk]]) 18:34, 7 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+where alternate fuels mainly used?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/122.178.124.60|122.178.124.60]] ([[User talk:122.178.124.60|talk]]) 11:45, 14 July 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+:Alternate fuel are used in motor vehicles.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/88.136.155.56|88.136.155.56]] ([[User talk:88.136.155.56#top|talk]]) 19:29, 7 August 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-== Fossil fuel ==
+== Lead Citations, Definition ==
+Our lead isn't sourced, nor is the definition the article is built around. Can we find a definition of alternative fuels? The US National Highway and Transit Safety Authority says:
-Fossil fuel are not really alternative fuels, because they go the same problem than petroleum: they are not renewable and produce fossil fuels. --[[User:Mac|Mac]] ([[User talk:Mac|talk]]) 06:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
+       (1) "alternative fuel" means -
-:I removed the section on non-conventional oil, beefed up the CNG info, and renamed what's left as "Alternative fossil fuels".  [[User:NJGW|NJGW]] ([[User talk:NJGW|talk]]) 12:41, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
+          (A) methanol;
+          (B) denatured ethanol;
+          (C) other alcohols;
+          (D) except as provided in subsection (b) of this section, a
+        mixture containing at least 85 percent of methanol, denatured
+        ethanol, and other alcohols by volume with gasoline or other
+        fuels;
+          (E) natural gas;
+          (F) liquefied petroleum gas;
+          (G) hydrogen;
+          (H) coal derived liquid fuels;
+          (I) fuels (except alcohol) derived from biological materials;
+          (J) electricity (including electricity from solar energy);
+        and
+          (K) any other fuel the Secretary of Transportation prescribes
+        by regulation that is not substantially petroleum and that
+        would yield substantial energy security and environmental
+        benefits.
+[http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/49C329.txt|US Code of Federal Regulations Section 32901]
+Any other definitions from other sources?
+[[User:JoBaWik|JoBaWik]] ([[User talk:JoBaWik|talk]]) 12:57, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
+:I wonder why coal-derived liquid fuels but not methane-derived synthetics. I would suggest simply generalizing to "sustainable non-fossil fuels or non-petroleum fossil fuels with environmental benefits over petroleum" which doesn't cover LP or coal-derived liquids, but those aren't in this article anyway. &mdash;[[User talk:Cupco|'''''<span style="color:#0c0;">Cup</span><span style="color:#630;">co</span>''''']] 02:10, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
-== Comparisation of alternative fuels ==
+== Storage is not Fuel ==
+Several of the entries here are storage and must not be considered to be a fuel source: Hydrogen, Compressed Air, Liquid Nitrogen.--[[User:Gproud|Graham Proud]] ([[User talk:Gproud|talk]]) 11:01, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
-Can a table be made comparing the alternative fuels based on co2 emissions, cost, ...
-Also include hydrogen peroxide  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.245.188.240|81.245.188.240]] ([[User talk:81.245.188.240|talk]]) 16:14, 1 April 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-== [[Hydrogen]] ==
+== External links modified ==
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-Biomass (pure wood) can also be used as a "fuel" (see http://www.biomassauthority.com/a/precer-bioracer-biomass-car/) Not sure where to mention it however, perhaps on other article as it probably cant be burned in a ICE engine. Biochar too can probably be mentioned.
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