Talk:LGBTQ rights in the United States

Claims in lead

The lead seems to make two un-evidenced claims, both of which look questionable on their face. First, the claim in the first line that the US is one of the most advanced countries on the world in respect of LGBT rights is supported by two references. The first is to a book where it is not at all clear how the reference justifies the statement. The second is to a table of most LGBT friendly countries where the US is listed at 26. That puts it just a little above the midpoint of the [list of full and flawed democracies]. Even if you include hybrid regimes the US comes in the second quartile. In other words, the 'most advanced' claim does not seem to be true. The second claim which doesn't look right is that "public opinion is overwhelmingly supportive of same sex marriages". I don't want to break the rules on WP:OR, but there's plenty of sources available through Google which show that while same sex marriage is strongly supported by educated white people of the centre and left, the picture with most other groups is far less supportive. I will wait to see if there are any other comments before editing. Charlie Campbell 28 (talk) 21:05, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

"where the US is listed at 26" That high, for a Christian fundamentalist regime? I was expecting much lower results. Anyway, please remove that statement.Dimadick (talk) 01:34, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, @Dimadick. I have gone ahead and made two edits. I made them separately so other editors can see them and revert individually if necessary. The second edit is a bold one as per WP:BRD, I think.

My first edit removed the first sentence reference to the US being amongst the most advanced countries in respect of LGBT rights (see my comments above). My second edit removed the last paragraph which referred to high levels of support for LGBT rights in the US. That was contradicted by content in the main body ('Public opinion on different LGBT rights') and also see my comments above. I also think that the article could be improved in a number of other ways. It seems very long and does not include much about recent reversals; I find the content and structure a bit odd in that latter respect. I will not make more changes until I see that the ones I've made already are not objected to. Charlie Campbell 28 (talk) 07:40, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

One of my edits has been reverted. I just thought I'd put this here to see if other editors agree with the revert. As described above, I removed the final paragraph of the lead because it seems obviously incorrect and is supported by poor references.

The two references used to justify "overwhelming support" for gay marriage in the US are first to Grinnel College, then a link simply to the search page of a General Society Survey which it is claimed contains (somewhere, it is not clear) a statement that there is "near universal" support for same sex marriage amongst adults age 18-34. These sources seem very much outliers. In the first case, a better source is Gallup, which puts present overall support for gay marriage at a little over 2-1. That is far from "overwhelming support", particularly given the resistance which still exists amongst many communities and groups. In the second case, the trends in this 2017 Pew survey are relevant (the figures can be reasonably assumed to be a little better today along the lines suggested in the diagrams) make it clear that there is not likely to yet be near universal support across society amongst adults aged to 34. Near universal is, in any case, a very strong claim and requires more than an unclear link to a single source.

It is important that this article not appear to be making overly optimistic claims about the advance of LGBT rights in the US. Things are certainly heading in the right direction, but claims of overwhelming and near universal support appear unhelpful and incorrect. Charlie Campbell 28 (talk) 08:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

You are silly! 80% of Americans support LGBT. Same-sex marriage is legal nationwide. f that's not advanced... 2A01:5A8:306:6B93:C92F:A32:1304:99C2 (talk) 06:32, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for your comment. I don't know why you think my comment is silly. My point is simply that the US is listed at the referece given in the article at no.26 in the world's most advanced LGBT countries; that's not a sufficient bases for a claim that America is "one of the most advanced" in respect of LGBT issues. I have also cited a reference that in the US support for LGBT equality runs at a bit better than 2-1; again, that's not "overwhelming". You haven't cited a single source. Charlie Campbell 28 (talk) 22:28, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Chuck, fa*ot, i really hate you! 2A01:5A8:307:BBFD:7569:5377:5B0E:6C18 (talk) 06:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Why would you write such a homophobic thing? I think you might be feeling poorly. Maybe you should check with a doctor? Charlie Campbell 28 (talk) 09:08, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

I have edited the start of the introductory section to note that the US comes below most full democracies in the relevant index of the social acceptability of LGBTQIA+. I have also edited to include SCOTUS 2023 ruling permitting limited discrimination against LGBTQIA+ people. Charlie Campbell 28 (talk) 10:39, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

TQI+ is bullshits that normal LGB people don't care about and is only to their harm 2A01:5A8:307:BBFD:35C4:7AF:96F6:DE (talk) 19:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

The SCOTUS ruling is about gay people. You know that, right? Charlie Campbell 28 (talk) 21:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Did the stuff about "not a forum" phase you 2603:6080:D841:50F4:8859:19D8:C939:6150 (talk) 14:02, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Should a navigation sidebar be used?

I believe a sidebar (at the top of a page) would be very useful.

This is the image that should be used for the header. It depicts a map of the contiguous United States with the pride flag.

OMGShay 92 (talk) 18:34, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

@OMGShay 92: It is against the consensus to put an image in navigation sidebar, because it's arbitrarly decorative. 213.132.76.9 (talk) 06:17, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

"LGBT in the USA" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect LGBT in the USA has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 26 § LGBT in the USA until a consensus is reached. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:49, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Are they still advanced?

After MAGA victory? 78.83.12.102 (talk) 12:24, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

We'll update it after something happens, ex: legislation, executive order, but for now all we can do is hope we won't have to. Realtent (talk) 16:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Legalization timeline map

I'm sorry but every time I see the current one, I can't help but groan. The overabundance of colors with no particular gradient system, and the way states on the map are occupied by their abbreviations, which neither clears things up for outsiders or provides much benefit to locals, drive me crazy.

I'd like to suggest an alternative version, maybe similar to this draft I made that I think fixes my issues with it, but I know Wiki mods are very particular people, so I thought it was better to bring this up here than to just go ahead and edit it in, especially since I don't know how to make the file look as clear as the current one does. ᛃᛗᚷᛞᚱᚢ (talk) 23:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC)