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Section size for Holodomor (46 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	6,839	6,839
Etymology	4,152	4,152
History	14	83,761
Scope and duration	4,985	4,985
Causes	3,967	24,618
Low harvest	1,254	1,254
Collectivization, procurements, and the export of grain	6,378	6,378
Discrimination and persecution of Ukrainians	11,618	11,618
Peasant resistance	1,401	1,401
Regional variation	1,862	1,862
Repressive policies	683	23,772
Preceding the famine	7,675	7,675
During the famine	9,576	9,576
Near the end of and after the famine	5,838	5,838
Torgsin system	1,865	1,865
Cannibalism	2,929	2,929
Ukrainians in other republics	642	6,533
Kuban and the North Caucasus of Russia	5,312	5,312
Kazakhstan	579	579
Aftermath and immediate reception	1,933	1,933
Death toll	15,250	15,250
Genocide question	8,070	8,070
Soviet and Western denial and downplay	2,406	2,406
In modern politics	6,780	29,191
Government recognition of Holodomor	22,411	22,411
Remembrance	154	21,909
Ukraine	4,549	4,549
Germany	1,484	1,484
Canada	5,136	5,136
Poland	1,453	1,453
United States	6,329	6,329
On film	1,281	1,281
Vatican City	532	532
Holodomor memorials	991	991
In culture and the arts	29	2,148
Cinema	1,165	1,165
Literature	845	845
Theatre	109	109
See also	711	711
Notes	9,904	9,904
References	35	35
Bibliography	105,091	105,091
Further reading	150	23,562
Declarations and legal acts	406	406
Books and articles	23,006	23,006
External links	6,759	6,759
Total	304,538	304,538

Holodomor

Moved from User talk:Manyareasexpert § Holodomor

– ManyAreasExpert (talk) 20:14, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I see you reverted my changes. The secondary source bringing the events into connection actually exists and it was mentioned as one of the reference but wasn't made the main thing (Timothy Snyder, "Covert Polish Missions Across the Soviet Ukrainian Border, 1928-1933", 2005). Would it be okay if I rework with making it more prominent and add the primary sources as additional justification, or should I not mention them at all? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krispe13 (talk • contribs) 20:08, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings! I scrolled through Snyder and he has a chapter on the famine so adding him would be fine. I'm generally against adding something based on primary sources as the article is already pretty large by itself and we have lots of secondary sources covering the subject. So why use primary ones. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 20:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Declaring Holodomor a "natural event" that happened due to bad weather conditions rather than an intentional "clean up" of Ukrainian society is a popular propaganda point of those, who deny Holodomor as a genocide based on the assumed lack of intention. Thus, I considered it important to also include the primary sources (such as the "Report to the Seventeenth Party Congress", which states that Ukrainian nationalism became the "chief danger" since it "linked up with the interventionists") that support the claim about the relationships between Prometheus/"Polish agents" activities and Holodomor established by Snyder and several other Ukrainian researches. But I will follow your suggestion and will only stick to the secondary sources. Krispe13 (talk) 08:56, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is already some info on attack on nationalism in the article, which could be extended. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 09:17, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History section

History section is a mess. It has Scope and duration subsection (is it history?), Causes (same?), Death toll, Cannibalism? How to organize it better? I moved the last one down below meanwhile per the attention given to it by RSs. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 20:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The term Holodomor (death by hunger, in Ukrainian) refers to the starvation of millions of Ukrainians in 1932–33 as a result of Soviet policies. The Holodomor can be seen as the culmination of an assault by the Communist Party and Soviet state on the Ukrainian peasantry, who resisted Soviet policies. This assault occurred in the context of a campaign of intimidation and arrests of Ukrainian intellectuals, writers, artists, religious leaders, and political cadres, who were seen as a threat to Soviet ideological and state-building aspirations. 2A02:A31D:A19C:F000:2D37:491E:AD61:4711 (talk) 19:39, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ⸺(Random)staplers 20:18, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 The term Holodomor (death by hunger, in Ukrainian) refers to the starvation of millions of Ukrainians in 1932–33 as a result of Soviet policies. The Holodomor can be seen as the culmination of an assault by the Communist Party and Soviet state on the Ukrainian peasantry, who resisted Soviet policies. This assault occurred in the context of a campaign of intimidation and arrests of Ukrainian intellectuals, writers, artists, religious leaders, and political cadres, who were seen as a threat to Soviet ideological and state-building aspirations. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:A31D:A19C:F000:2D37:491E:AD61:4711|2A02:A31D:A19C:F000:2D37:491E:AD61:4711]] ([[User talk:2A02:A31D:A19C:F000:2D37:491E:AD61:4711|talk]]) 19:39, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
+:{{Not done}}: please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> ⸺([[User talk:Randomstaplers|'''Random''']])[[User:Randomstaplers|staplers]] 20:18, 23 November 2024 (UTC)