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How to sort out misinformation, untruths and propaganda in the article?

Could we please have a proper discussion on sorting out the misinformation, untruths and propaganda in the article? 2A00:23C4:95:EA01:6067:6E2B:11FD:E666 (talk) 22:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, this is Wikipedia, so you may either:

Read the site's policies on reliable sources and neutral-point of view, since that is probably where your grievances are, and make a policy-based argument with references to specific content in the article you are challenging. Or,
Take your vague gestures at "misinformation, untruths and propaganda" elsewhere, such as an online forum, which Wikipedia is not.

Yue🌙 23:20, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add the fact that they have nothing to do with acient uyghurs

Add that 2603:8001:8446:6EBB:72A:8D7E:94A5:D773 (talk) 15:44, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's not true. Beshogur (talk) 15:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+== How to sort out misinformation, untruths and propaganda in the article? ==
-== Tajiks-closest nation to Uyghurs ==
-https://dzen.ru/a/ZKOC-y7rPiFy_aiT
-Add it too, please! [[User:Al-Khujandi|Al-Khujandi]] ([[User talk:Al-Khujandi|talk]]) 16:35, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
-:Uyghurs are Turkic. Tajiks are Iranic.
-:Enough said. <span style="font-family:Courier">[[User:SlopeInterceptor|<span style="color:#89290d">Slope</span>]][[User:SlopeInterceptor|<span style="color:#00000">Interceptor</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:SlopeInterceptor|Talk]]</sup> </span> 20:57, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
-:{{Reply|Al-Khujandi}} [[WP:RSSELF|Self-published sources]], like the post from Dzen RU you cited, are not [[WP:RS|reliable]]. "History Aryan", with one subscriber, is also clearly not a credible author. I have included this note on your talk page as well. Your addition has been reverted by three different editors; please review the guidelines on reliable sources ([[WP:RS]]) and find a more credible source. You may be blocked without further notice if you continue to disregard other editors' comments and manually restore your addition (bordering [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit warring behaviour]]). <big>[[User:Yue|<span style="color:#757575; font-family:Consolas, monospace">''Yue''</span>]][[User talk:Yue|🌙]]</big> 23:46, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
-== Uyghurs in concentration camps in Xinjiang province ==
-Why is this not mentioned in any way here that Uyghur culture is currently being destroyed in china and millions sent to "reeducation" centers that are basically big brainwashing prisons. [[Special:Contributions/82.12.191.6|82.12.191.6]] ([[User talk:82.12.191.6|talk]]) 18:55, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
+Could we please have a proper discussion on sorting out the misinformation, untruths and propaganda in the article? [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C4:95:EA01:6067:6E2B:11FD:E666|2A00:23C4:95:EA01:6067:6E2B:11FD:E666]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C4:95:EA01:6067:6E2B:11FD:E666|talk]]) 22:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
-:The last paragraph of the lead says:
-::"Since 2014, the Chinese government has been accused by various organizations, such as Human Rights Watch of subjecting Uyghurs living in Xinjiang to widespread persecution, including forced sterilization and forced labor. Scholars estimate that at least one million Uyghurs have been arbitrarily detained in the Xinjiang internment camps since 2017; Chinese government officials claim that these camps, created under CCP general secretary Xi Jinping's administration, serve the goals of ensuring adherence to Chinese Communist Party (CCP) ideology, preventing separatism, fighting terrorism, and providing vocational training to Uyghurs. Various scholars, human rights organizations and governments consider abuses perpetrated against the Uyghurs to amount to crimes against humanity, or even genocide."
-:<big>[[User:Yue|<span style="color:#757575; font-family:Consolas, monospace">''Yue''</span>]][[User talk:Yue|🌙]]</big> 21:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
-::request to change 'Scholars estimate that at least one million Uyghurs have been arbitrarily detained in the Xinjiang internment camps since 2017' with the term 'Western scholars estimate that at least one million Uyghurs have been arbitrarily detained in the Xinjiang internment camps since 2017' as it exclusively Western scholars making this claim. [[User:Jetsettokaiba|Jetsettokaiba]] ([[User talk:Jetsettokaiba|talk]]) 19:46, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
-:::well if any Chinese scholars have made the claim they were likely silenced and or killed, so...
-:::Are Japanese or Korean scholars unconcerned? [[Special:Contributions/199.7.159.71|199.7.159.71]] ([[User talk:199.7.159.71|talk]]) 13:36, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
-::::Are there any? So far all sources claiming this figure are Western scholars, and Im using the terms 'scholars' very liberally. [[User:Jetsettokaiba|Jetsettokaiba]] ([[User talk:Jetsettokaiba|talk]]) 03:47, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
+:Well, this is Wikipedia, so you may either:
-== How can you leave this page without a section on Chinese abuse? ==
+:# Read the site's policies on [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] and [[WP:POV|neutral-point of view]], since that is probably where your grievances are, and make a policy-based argument with references to specific content in the article you are challenging. Or,
+:# Take your vague gestures at "misinformation, untruths and propaganda" elsewhere, such as an online forum, [[WP:NOTFORUM|which Wikipedia is not]].
+:<big>[[User:Yue|<span style="color:#757575; font-family:Consolas, monospace">''Yue''</span>]][[User talk:Yue|🌙]]</big> 23:20, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
+== Add the fact that they have nothing to do with acient uyghurs ==
-Seems like most people who have heard of them heard about them because of the ongoing abuse. [[Special:Contributions/199.7.159.71|199.7.159.71]] ([[User talk:199.7.159.71|talk]]) 13:35, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
+Add that [[Special:Contributions/2603:8001:8446:6EBB:72A:8D7E:94A5:D773|2603:8001:8446:6EBB:72A:8D7E:94A5:D773]] ([[User talk:2603:8001:8446:6EBB:72A:8D7E:94A5:D773|talk]]) 15:44, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
-:There is already a section on this. See [[Uyghurs#Human rights abuses against Uyghurs in Xinjiang]]. — [[User:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">Red-tailed&nbsp;hawk</span>]]&nbsp;<sub>[[User talk:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">(nest)</span>]]</sub> 15:17, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
+:That's not true. [[User:Beshogur|Beshogur]] ([[User talk:Beshogur|talk]]) 15:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
-::Why should anyone give credence to american propaganda by discussing untrue allegations? If one were to call for a discussion on american or western abuse of any subset of a population, they would be shut down. People are simply tired of american propaganda and gaslightings. [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C4:95:EA01:6067:6E2B:11FD:E666|2A00:23C4:95:EA01:6067:6E2B:11FD:E666]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C4:95:EA01:6067:6E2B:11FD:E666|talk]]) 21:51, 5 October 2024 (UTC)