User talk:M.Bitton

Congratulations from WP:STiki!

		The Gold STiki Barnstar of Merit
		Congratulations, M.Bitton! You're receiving this barnstar of merit because you recently crossed the 25,000 classification threshold using STiki. We thank you both for your contributions to Wikipedia at-large and your use of the tool. We hope you continue your ascent up the leaderboard and stay in touch at the talk page. Thank you and keep up the good work! West.andrew.g (talk) 14:40, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Hi, because of lack of time, i was not able to complete the article yesterday, thank you very much for taking the time to explain me how to use the Harv style and for completing (and correcting my mistakes) my edits at Medo-Babylonian conquest of the Assyrian Empire. Cheers. ---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 21:36, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

@Wikaviani: Thanks! Glad I could help. M.Bitton (talk) 23:47, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	It’s always great to see more people fighting vandalism. Have a star! Jeb3Talk at me hereWhat I've Done 23:41, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

@Jebcubed: Thank you so much for your encouragement. M.Bitton (talk) 23:57, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

I see that you check recent edits for appropriateness. I clicked through to see a set of the reversions that you had made for rejected submissions, and I agreed with all of what I saw you had done. It seemed apparent to me through the decisions you made and the comments that you left that you were giving human attention to the decisions you made rather than over-relying on tools and automation. Thanks for that, and thanks especially for the notes you leave. You are doing good review. Blue Rasberry (talk) 01:39, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry: Thank you so much for your words of encouragement. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 22:07, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Graphic Designer's Barnstar
	For your excellent job with creating the administrative maps of Albania! Ahmet Q. (talk) 07:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@Ahmet Q.: Thank you so much for your feedback. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 22:27, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Another barnstar for you!

		The Original Barnstar
		For answering a lot of edit requests and helping to keep the backlog at bay. For a while, I was taking care of that on my own, and it feels nice to see someone else get to it first every now and then! Actualcpscm (talk) 17:22, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@Actualcpscm: thank you very much for the encouragement and for tackling those time consuming edit requests that tend to be pushed to the back of the queue. Keep up the great work! Best, M.Bitton (talk) 22:39, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for your incredible work on the Horn of Africa relief map :)

		The Original Barnstar
		Here's a barnstar for your incredible work on the Horn of Africa relief map! Really appreciate the effort you put into it :) KluskaSlaska (talk) 16:21, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Also, on a related note, I would love to do some more map work once I have more time in late summer. Do you have any good guides on how to get started on maps for Wikipedia? :) KluskaSlaska (talk) 16:21, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

@KluskaSlaska: Thank you so much for your feedback. Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any good guides that would help you. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 14:02, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Graphic Designer's Barnstar
		Honestly, I'm a bit disappointed in myself for not giving this to you sooner! You have been a great help creating maps for many articles, don't stop doing what you do! – Treetoes023 (talk) 22:09, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

@Treetoes023: Thank you so much for your words of encouragement. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 12:01, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Barbary slave trade

Due to unrelated drama I won't bore you with, I found myself looking at the history of this article, and uuh, thanks. A whole lot of POV-pushing was going on. When I have fewer tabs open I will try to remember to come back and give you a barnstar.

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	Thank you for your great Anti-Vandalism work on Wikipedia! I really appreciate it! :D Wiiformii (talk) 23:24, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

@Wiiformii: Thank you so much for your words of encouragement. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 23:31, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you again!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	You're simply wonderful to have a conversation with. You're a breath of fresh air in contentious topics. Moxy🍁 21:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

@Moxy: thank you so much for your kind words. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 13:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Long overdue

		The Patroller's Barnstar
		for outstanding contributions to maintaining article quality Elinruby (talk) 04:10, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

@Elinruby: thanks you very much for your words of encouragement. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 01:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Graphics Lab help

Hello M.Bitton, I’ve seen that you were a routine helper at Graphics Lab Map workshop in January. I was wondering if you could take the time to assist me on my request if you do not mind. Thank you. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 03:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure I fully understand what you're trying to achieve. Are you trying to create a "location map" of Canada, the US and Mexico so that you can add the location dots to it? M.Bitton (talk) 17:35, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, although I was hoping the location dots could be added as well (not me as I am inexperienced). If for some reason you cannot take my request, I would please ask that you notify other Graphics Lab editors. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 20:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I have neither the energy nor the time to take on what looks like a lot of work. Making a request, like you did, is the best way to get the attention of the Graphic Lab editors, although I do suggest you make it as clear as possible and perhaps do some leg work (like finding the coordinates of all the places that you want to add). The other thing worth keeping in mind is that having a map that covers such a big area comes with its own issue (the more dots there are in small areas, the less discernible they become). M.Bitton (talk) 20:27, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Feedback on discussion about November 2024 Amsterdam attacks

Hello. I have seen that you were also contributing to this page, and you have more experience with wikipedia. There is an ongoing discussion (Which individuals' reactions are WP:DUE) and (WP:DUE and the inclusion of "Erev Rav"'s statements). I was thinking that is relevant the additional content: opinions of other political parties different than the government in Netherlands, and the opinion two NGO: The organisations Erev Rav and the Stop Racism and Fascism Platform cancelled a local Kristallnacht commemoration due to the 'violent' Maccabi supporters ..." However both are marked as WP:DUE by other editor. However to my understanding this is a relevant information as I tried to explain in the talk page of the article. I would need a second opinion of someone with more experience. Thanks AyubuZimbale (talk) 21:53, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

A question about your response to my edit request

I just saw your response to my edit request on the "Zionism as settler colonialism" article, and since the article is EC-protected and I'm not allowed to comment there directly, I hope it's ok if I ask you here - could you please elaborate why the suggestion to include the names of academics objecting this characterization, similarly to inclusion of its proponents in the lead, is "uncontroversial", in your view? Zlmark (talk) 22:30, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I suggested you read WP:EDITXY. Once done, you can decide by yourself whether your edit request is "uncontroversial", "necessary" and "sensible" or whether it "has consensus". M.Bitton (talk) 22:36, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I did read it, and the section before it states "Consensus isn't needed if a change is not controversial", which seems to apply here.

And since I already had several straightforward edit suggestions adopted by EC editors, without there being a prior discussion at the Talk page, I was wondering why you decided to reject this particular edit suggestion. Zlmark (talk) 04:32, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

And just to clarify - all three names are already mentioned in the article in the dedicated section, so there is a consensus that their names should be included in the article.

The only change I suggested is to list their names in the opening section, similarly to the names of the scholars that support the characterization. Zlmark (talk) 04:55, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

which seems to apply here It doesn't apply when you read the whole thing: "Uncontroversial changes don't require sourcing, such as correcting typographical errors or disambiguating links".

You also appear to have missed this important piece of information: "uncontroversial improvements (correcting typos, grammar, or reference formatting; improving the reliability or efficiency of template code) or are already supported by a consensus of editors, usually on the protected page's talk page."

In other words, your edit request doesn't qualify as an "uncontroversial improvement". M.Bitton (talk) 13:15, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I did see that part, but the previous piece I quoted seemed to imply a broader definition of what is considered "uncontroversial" edit.

So, just to make sure I understand correctly - does the "uncontroversial" label only apply to minor typos/grammatical corrections, or edits based on consensus previously reached in the "Talk" discussions, in your view?

I'm asking because, as I said earlier, some of my earlier suggestions that didn't fit this narrow definition, but were uncontroversial in a broader sense, were adopted by other EC editors. Zlmark (talk) 13:52, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

does the "uncontroversial" label only apply to minor typos/grammatical corrections, or edits based on consensus previously reached in the "Talk" discussions yes. M.Bitton (talk) 13:53, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thanks Zlmark (talk) 14:02, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Khobz

Hi

I think it should be split. Panam2014 (talk) 14:54, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

See what the others think. M.Bitton (talk) 00:10, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

I am agree with Monsieur Patillo about the bread. So, are you neutral? Panam2014 (talk) 01:47, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

To be honest, I didn't give it much thought, but I'm sure that you too will do a good job. I will keep an eye on that discussion. M.Bitton (talk) 01:52, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

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Please see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Izaaqnewton

I believe that looking at the archives justifies our caution. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Timtrent: since the SPI has been closed with no action, all we can do is comment on the requests and keep an eye on them. M.Bitton (talk) 21:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

I agree. I suppose a disposable IP address is what they are going to use now. I will let obvious useful things through, but not the self aggrandising claptrap. I do not believe the gentleman to be straightforward. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Timtrent: I agree. The Philanthropic part (I can't even find a reasonable word to describe it) is definitely UNDUE. M.Bitton (talk) 21:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

It's the self justifying bullshit for being wealthy, and not being a necessarily decent human being. A lot of the article history contains contemptible and referenced behaviours. Between my post and yours I said no. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)