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The "Anglo" in "Anglo-French" ''as used in this article'' refers to the UK not England, so I'm changing it accordingly -- [[User:Cabalamat|Cabalamat]] 02:15, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)
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Then shouldn't it be UK-French? Anglo by its very nature implies England. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 02:17, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)

According to http://acp.gn.apc.org/aerospace/aero_review.html, at least parts of Storm Shadow are built in Scotland. -- [[User:Cabalamat|Cabalamat]] 02:46, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)


Some clarification. Storm Shadow / Scalp is first and foremost a French weapon. It was entirely designed and developed in France and is based heavily on the Matra Apache weapon.
Scalp/EG is a significantly enhanced Apache cruise missile designed to a French Air Force requirement. After government approval, it was then submitted for a UK cruise missile requirement (CASOM). The British contributed the BROACH warhead for their Storm Shadow missiles; the Scalp EG missile uses a French design. Most of the Storm Shadow missile are made in the UK--per contractual obligations (industrial offset). {{unsigned|4.233.131.138}} 20 January 2006

:What rot. MBDA in Stevenage (which is in the UK, not France) had a large office building full of engineers working full time for several years on it. Then of course there's the export derivative. You are correct that SS/EG is a DERIVATIVE of a French weapon (APACHE), however the link between Apache and SS/EG is visual only. Every subsystem inside is redesigned. SS has BROACH, APACHE has KRISS. Totally different sort of lethal package. Different mission set altogether. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/81.86.138.193|81.86.138.193]] ([[User talk:81.86.138.193|talk]]) 01:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

Each one costs about 1 million pounds. {{unsigned|E cetinel}} 17 February 2006

== Bunt? ==

The article claims that the final manouver before target acquisition is called a "bunt". But a bunt - as far as I can find - is a '''negative''' G manouver... that is to say a pitch downwards and not upwards. Can this please be reworded or shown a source that the manouver is indeed called a "bunt". --[[User:J-Star|J-Star]] 20:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

:Well I didn't add it but I remember reading this term in the RAF Magazine. I would welcome more expert opinion but let me hazard a guess - The missile flies low and then for its attack it climbs rapidly for a final dive onto its target, perhaps the negative G refers to the transition from rapid climb to rapid dive. [[User:Mark83|Mark83]] 21:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

:: In the terminal phase, Storm Shadow pulls up, climbs to altitude and then performs a bunt to dive onto the target. So the article is in fact correct. [[User:Justin A Kuntz|Justin A Kuntz]] 12:00, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Harrier ==


== reference/source for Mikoyan MiG 29 as launch platform? ==
I'm certian that the Harrier GR7/9 is not cleared to use the Storm Shadow, so will remove the reference to this, if no one has any objection.
[[User:Ttdjp|Ttdjp]] 20:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
: You're correct MBDA's own page lists the aircraft types and Harrier isn't there. [[User:Justin A Kuntz|Justin A Kuntz]] 12:06, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


reference/source for Mikoyan MiG 29 as launch platform?
Or anyone can add anything without reference? [[Special:Contributions/83.99.198.116|83.99.198.116]] ([[User talk:83.99.198.116|talk]]) 22:20, 11 May 2023 (UTC)


:It's too heavy for the max pylon weight of Ukraines early MiG-29s. It's most likely either Su-27 or more likely Su-24. Not sure who added MiG-29 or where they got that info from. [[Special:Contributions/159.196.12.87|159.196.12.87]] ([[User talk:159.196.12.87|talk]]) 22:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
== Tomahawk ==


== Image caption ==
Note sure this section is completely correct


"Wreckage of a Storm Shadow shot by Russian forces over Ukraine" should probably be "shot *down* by" [[Special:Contributions/94.207.79.254|94.207.79.254]] ([[User talk:94.207.79.254|talk]]) 15:15, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
''This semi-autonomous flight and dual-stage warhead make the missile unique among cruise missiles. ... but lacks the target-acquisition ....''


: It should probably be "crash landed over Ukraine", as there are no independent reports that this has been shot down. --11:47, 24 September 2023 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2A02:A466:2A7B:1:5149:5A61:83DA:BA38|2A02:A466:2A7B:1:5149:5A61:83DA:BA38]] ([[User talk:2A02:A466:2A7B:1:5149:5A61:83DA:BA38#top|talk]]) </small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
Depending on the version Tomahawk has DSMAC which confers an ATR capability in the terminal phase.

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reference/source for Mikoyan MiG 29 as launch platform?

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reference/source for Mikoyan MiG 29 as launch platform? Or anyone can add anything without reference? 83.99.198.116 (talk) 22:20, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's too heavy for the max pylon weight of Ukraines early MiG-29s. It's most likely either Su-27 or more likely Su-24. Not sure who added MiG-29 or where they got that info from. 159.196.12.87 (talk) 22:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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"Wreckage of a Storm Shadow shot by Russian forces over Ukraine" should probably be "shot *down* by" 94.207.79.254 (talk) 15:15, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It should probably be "crash landed over Ukraine", as there are no independent reports that this has been shot down. --11:47, 24 September 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A466:2A7B:1:5149:5A61:83DA:BA38 (talk)
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