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{{Short description|Rebuilt diesel locomotives}} |
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{{AfC topic|other}} |
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{{Infobox locomotive |
{{Infobox locomotive |
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| name = EMD GP9E and GP9R |
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| image = SP 3765 wb along Sunol Blvd Aug 85xRP - Flickr - drewj1946.jpg |
| image = SP 3765 wb along Sunol Blvd Aug 85xRP - Flickr - drewj1946.jpg |
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| powertype = [[Diesel-electric]] |
| powertype = [[Diesel-electric]] |
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| builder = [[Electro-Motive Diesel|General Motors Electro-Motive Division]] (EMD) |
| builder = [[Electro-Motive Diesel|General Motors Electro-Motive Division]] (EMD) |
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| cylindersize = {{convert|8+1/2|x|10|in|mm|0|abbr=on}} |
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| maxspeed = {{convert|65|mph|abbr=on}} |
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| poweroutput = {{convert|1750|hp|MW|2|abbr=on|lk=in}} |
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| tractiveeffort = {{convert|64750|lbf|kN|abbr=on}} |
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| operator = [[Southern Pacific Transportation Company]]<br>[[St. Louis Southwestern Railway|St. Louis Southwestern Railway ("Cotton Belt Route")]] |
| operator = [[Southern Pacific Transportation Company]]<br>[[St. Louis Southwestern Railway|St. Louis Southwestern Railway ("Cotton Belt Route")]] |
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| locale = North America |
| locale = North America |
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| preservedunits = [[#Preservation|See here]] |
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| disposition = Six preserved, remainder scrapped |
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The '''EMD GP9E''' and '''GP9R''' are rebuilds from [[EMD GP9]] [[Diesel locomotive|diesel locomotives]] that were built by [[Electro-Motive Diesel|General-Motors Electro-Motive Division]] for the [[St. Louis Southwestern Railway]] (also known as the "Cotton Belt Route") and the [[Southern Pacific Transportation Company]].<ref name=":0">{{Harvp|Strapac|1974|p=23-28}}</ref><ref name=":1">{{Harvp|Solomon|2000|p=74}}</ref><ref name=":2">{{Harvp|Solomon|2000|p=168}}</ref> |
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== History == |
== History == |
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Beginning in 1970 with SP GP9 #3424, all of the pre-existing [[EMD GP9]] [[Diesel locomotive|diesel locomotives]] that were on the [[St. Louis Southwestern Railway]] (also known as the "Cotton Belt Route") and [[Southern Pacific Transportation Company|Southern Pacific]]'s roster were rebuilt into GP9E's and GP9R's with the number series beginning at #3300.<ref name=":0" |
Beginning in 1970 with SP GP9 #3424, all of the pre-existing [[EMD GP9]] [[Diesel locomotive|diesel locomotives]] that were on the [[St. Louis Southwestern Railway]] (also known as the "Cotton Belt Route") and [[Southern Pacific Transportation Company|Southern Pacific]]'s roster were rebuilt into GP9E's and GP9R's with the number series beginning at #3300.<ref name=":0" /><ref name=":1" /><ref name=":2" /> |
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Because of the internal differences of the three 'Phases', different 'rebuild' schemes were required, which meant that they were placed into different number series. As well some got Farr air filter boxes behind the [[Cab (locomotive)|cab of the units]].<ref name=":0" /> |
Because of the internal differences of the three 'Phases', different 'rebuild' schemes were required, which meant that they were placed into different number series. As well some got Farr air filter boxes behind the [[Cab (locomotive)|cab of the units]].<ref name=":0" /> |
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== Preservation == |
== Preservation == |
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Out of all the 283 units that were rebuilt, |
Out of all the 283 units that were rebuilt, six EMD GP9R locomotives have survived into preservation: |
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⚫ | * Southern Pacific GP9R #2873 (formerly Texas and New Orleans GP9 #443, SP #3798 and SP #3565) is currently preserved at the [[Western Pacific Railroad Museum]] (WPRM), it was donated to the WPRM in 1992 and currently still resides there to this day.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Southern Pacific 2873 |url=https://tour.wplives.org/SP2873/ |access-date=2023-10-28 |website=tour.wplives.org}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=WPRM - SP 2873 |url=https://wplives.org/locomotivepages/sp2873.html |access-date=2023-10-28 |website=wplives.org}}</ref> |
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=== GP9E === |
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⚫ | * Southern Pacific GP9R #3189 (formerly, SP #5623 and #3005) is now operational at the [[Niles Canyon Railway]] (NCRy) as Southern Pacific GP9 #5623.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Southern Pacific #5623 |url=https://www.ncry.org/about/collection/diesel/southern-pacific-5623/ |access-date=2023-10-28 |website=Niles Canyon Railway |language=en-US}}</ref> |
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* Southern Pacific |
* Southern Pacific GP9R #3194 (formerly Texas and New Orleans GP9 #281, SP #5895 and #3001) which had worked on the SP's [[Peninsula Commute]] from 1960/61 to 1985 before being retired in 1998 and donated to [[Golden Gate Railroad Museum]] (GGRM) that same year.<ref>{{cite web |title=SP 3194: EMD GP-9 |url=http://www.ggrm.org/collection/SP3194 |accessdate=19 April 2020 |publisher=Golden Gate Railroad Museum}}</ref> |
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* Southern Pacific GP9E #3411 (formerly Texas and New Orleans GP9 #416 and SP GP9 #3428) is operational at [[California Western Railroad]] in Mendocino County, California.<ref name="nrhs">{{cite web |title=California Western Railroad |url=http://www5.pair.com/rattenne/nrhs/CWR/CWR.htm |url-status=dead |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20110717004707/http://www5.pair.com/rattenne/nrhs/CWR/CWR.htm |archive-date=2011-07-17 |access-date=2010-11-12 |publisher=Central Coast Chapter NRHS}}</ref> |
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* Southern Pacific GP9E #3412 (formerly Texas and New Orleans GP9 #420 and SP GP9 #3432) is operational at [[California Western Railroad]] in Mendocino County, California.<ref name="nrhs" /> |
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=== GP9R === |
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⚫ | * Southern Pacific GP9R #2873 (formerly Texas and New Orleans GP9 #443, SP #3798 and SP #3565) is currently preserved at the [[Western Pacific Railroad Museum]] (WPRM) |
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* Southern Pacific GP9R #3194 (formerly Texas and New Orleans GP9 #281, SP #5895 and #3001) which had worked on the SP's [[Peninsula Commute]] from 1960/61 to 1985 before being retired in 1998 and donated to [[Golden Gate Railroad Museum]] (GGRM) that same year in 1998. It still serves there to this day.<ref>{{cite web |title=SP 3194: EMD GP-9 |url=http://www.ggrm.org/collection/SP3194 |accessdate=19 April 2020 |publisher=Golden Gate Railroad Museum}}</ref> |
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* Southern Pacific GP9R #3397 (formerly SP GP9 #5666 and SP GP9 #3499) is operational at [[Great Smoky Mountains Railroad]] in [[Bryson City, North Carolina]] as GSMR #1755.{{Citation needed|date=May 2024}} |
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* Southern Pacific GP9R #3709 (formerly SP GP9 #5873) is at the [[Pacific Southwest Railway Museum Association]] in [[Campo, California]].<ref>{{Cite web |title=Southern Pacific #3709 |url=https://www.psrm.org/trains/diesel/sp-3709/ |access-date=2023-10-28 |website=Pacific Southwest Railway Museum |language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=SP #3709 |url=http://www.sdrm.info/roster/diesel/d-3709/index.html |access-date=2023-10-28 |website=www.sdrm.info}}</ref> |
* Southern Pacific GP9R #3709 (formerly SP GP9 #5873) is at the [[Pacific Southwest Railway Museum Association]] in [[Campo, California]].<ref>{{Cite web |title=Southern Pacific #3709 |url=https://www.psrm.org/trains/diesel/sp-3709/ |access-date=2023-10-28 |website=Pacific Southwest Railway Museum |language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=SP #3709 |url=http://www.sdrm.info/roster/diesel/d-3709/index.html |access-date=2023-10-28 |website=www.sdrm.info}}</ref> |
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* Southern Pacific GP9R #3769 (formerly SP GP9 #5733 and #3574) is currently on static display at the [[Utah State Railroad Museum]] in [[Ogden, Utah]].<ref>{{cite web |year=2018 |title=Rolling Stock of the Utah State Railroad Museum: SP 3769: GP9 |url=http://theunionstation.org/utah-state-railroad-museum/spencer-s-eccles-rail-center/ |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180903080431/http://theunionstation.org/utah-state-railroad-museum/spencer-s-eccles-rail-center/ |archive-date=2018-09-03 |access-date=2018-10-31 |work=Utah State Railroad Museum: Spencer S. & Dolores Doré Eccles Rail Center |publisher=Ogden Union Station |location=Ogden, Utah}}</ref> |
* Southern Pacific GP9R #3769 (formerly SP GP9 #5733 and #3574) is currently on static display at the [[Utah State Railroad Museum]] in [[Ogden, Utah]].<ref>{{cite web |year=2018 |title=Rolling Stock of the Utah State Railroad Museum: SP 3769: GP9 |url=http://theunionstation.org/utah-state-railroad-museum/spencer-s-eccles-rail-center/ |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180903080431/http://theunionstation.org/utah-state-railroad-museum/spencer-s-eccles-rail-center/ |archive-date=2018-09-03 |access-date=2018-10-31 |work=Utah State Railroad Museum: Spencer S. & Dolores Doré Eccles Rail Center |publisher=Ogden Union Station |location=Ogden, Utah}}</ref> |
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* [http://rrpicturearchives.net/locoList.aspx?id=SP&mid=145&Page=1 List of EMD GP9R locomotives] |
* [http://rrpicturearchives.net/locoList.aspx?id=SP&mid=145&Page=1 List of EMD GP9R locomotives] |
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* [http://rrpicturearchives.net/locoList.aspx?id=SP&mid=252 List of EMD GP9E locomotives] |
* [http://rrpicturearchives.net/locoList.aspx?id=SP&mid=252 List of EMD GP9E locomotives] |
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Latest revision as of 04:18, 28 November 2024
Submission declined on 29 May 2024 by Timtrent (talk). I'm having serious difficulty determining the notability of these two rebuilt locomotives as individual units. The referencing shows that the exist, but does not show that the pass WP:GNG.
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The EMD GP9E and GP9R are rebuilds from EMD GP9 diesel locomotives that were built by General-Motors Electro-Motive Division for the St. Louis Southwestern Railway (also known as the "Cotton Belt Route") and the Southern Pacific Transportation Company.[1][2][3]
History
[edit]Beginning in 1970 with SP GP9 #3424, all of the pre-existing EMD GP9 diesel locomotives that were on the St. Louis Southwestern Railway (also known as the "Cotton Belt Route") and Southern Pacific's roster were rebuilt into GP9E's and GP9R's with the number series beginning at #3300.[1][2][3]
Because of the internal differences of the three 'Phases', different 'rebuild' schemes were required, which meant that they were placed into different number series. As well some got Farr air filter boxes behind the cab of the units.[1]
As the rebuilds had came and went, alongside the un-rebuilt units, no numbers were reused from the Southern Pacific's 1965 renumbering scheme.[1]
The Southern Pacific Transportation Company began rebuilding their units in 1970, while the St. Louis Southwestern Railway (also known as the "Cotton Belt Route") began rebuilding their units in 1974.[1]
SP's Paint scheme variants
[edit]Nine of Southern Pacific's GP9E/GP9R locomotives were painted into the Southern Pacific's "Kodachrome" livery of the Failed merger between Southern Pacific and Santa Fe, these units were GP9E/R locomotives #2873, #3370, #3735, #3739, #3775, #3778, #3784, #3792 and #3846.[1]
Preservation
[edit]Out of all the 283 units that were rebuilt, six EMD GP9R locomotives have survived into preservation:
- Southern Pacific GP9R #2873 (formerly Texas and New Orleans GP9 #443, SP #3798 and SP #3565) is currently preserved at the Western Pacific Railroad Museum (WPRM), it was donated to the WPRM in 1992 and currently still resides there to this day.[4][5]
- Southern Pacific GP9R #3189 (formerly, SP #5623 and #3005) is now operational at the Niles Canyon Railway (NCRy) as Southern Pacific GP9 #5623.[6]
- Southern Pacific GP9R #3194 (formerly Texas and New Orleans GP9 #281, SP #5895 and #3001) which had worked on the SP's Peninsula Commute from 1960/61 to 1985 before being retired in 1998 and donated to Golden Gate Railroad Museum (GGRM) that same year.[7]
- Southern Pacific GP9R #3709 (formerly SP GP9 #5873) is at the Pacific Southwest Railway Museum Association in Campo, California.[8][9]
- Southern Pacific GP9R #3769 (formerly SP GP9 #5733 and #3574) is currently on static display at the Utah State Railroad Museum in Ogden, Utah.[10]
- Southern Pacific GP9R #3873 (formerly SSW GP9 #3873, SSW 3651, SSW 830) is currently at the Pacific Southwest Railway Museum Association in Campo, California.[11][12]
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Southern Pacific #5623 at the Niles Canyon Railway in 2006.
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Southern Pacific GP9R #2873 at the Western Pacific Railroad Museum (WPRM) in the Southern Pacific's "Kodachrome" livery.
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Southern Pacific GP9R #3194 at the Golden Gate Railroad Museum (GGRM)
See also
[edit]References
[edit]- ^ a b c d e f Strapac (1974), p. 23-28
- ^ a b Solomon (2000), p. 74
- ^ a b Solomon (2000), p. 168
- ^ "Southern Pacific 2873". tour.wplives.org. Retrieved 2023-10-28.
- ^ "WPRM - SP 2873". wplives.org. Retrieved 2023-10-28.
- ^ "Southern Pacific #5623". Niles Canyon Railway. Retrieved 2023-10-28.
- ^ "SP 3194: EMD GP-9". Golden Gate Railroad Museum. Retrieved 19 April 2020.
- ^ "Southern Pacific #3709". Pacific Southwest Railway Museum. Retrieved 2023-10-28.
- ^ "SP #3709". www.sdrm.info. Retrieved 2023-10-28.
- ^ "Rolling Stock of the Utah State Railroad Museum: SP 3769: GP9". Utah State Railroad Museum: Spencer S. & Dolores Doré Eccles Rail Center. Ogden, Utah: Ogden Union Station. 2018. Archived from the original on 2018-09-03. Retrieved 2018-10-31.
- ^ "Southern Pacific #3873". Pacific Southwest Railway Museum. Retrieved 2023-10-28.
- ^ "SP #3873". www.sdrm.info. Retrieved 2023-10-28.
Bibliography
[edit]- Solomon, Brian (2000). American Diesel Locomotives. Voyageur Press. ISBN 9781610606059.
- Strapac, Joseph A. (1974). Southern Pacific Motive Power Annual 1973. Chatham Publishing.
Further reading
[edit]- Strapac, Joseph A. (2000). Southern Pacific Historic Diesels Volume 7 - GP9 Locomotives (1st ed.). Shade Tree Books. ISBN 9780930742218.
External links
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