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This subject <big>EXPLICITLY</big> studies the mind and its precesses. However, it is composed of many subjects including AI, Psychology, Philosophy, Linguistics etc... Should some of these subjects be replaced since cognitive science "absorbs" them? After all, the field is dedicated to it. |
This subject <big>EXPLICITLY</big> studies the mind and its precesses. However, it is composed of many subjects including AI, Psychology, Philosophy, Linguistics etc... Should some of these subjects be replaced since cognitive science "absorbs" them? After all, the field is dedicated to it. |
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is the hyperlink to common really necessary? doesnt add anything to the article and makes article seem more cluttered. [[User:Tospsy|Tospsy]] ([[User talk:Tospsy|talk]]) 22:13, 30 June 2024 (UTC) |
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IMO, there is nothing wrong with adding the definition from the textbook Clinical psychiatry by the author, professor Maric. It is well formulated, concise and clear. Therefore, I will be restoring the one sentence definition that was there prior to improvements made by the other major contributors. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#05df78 0.1em 0.1em 1.0em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;">[[User:VS6507|Vs<sup>6</sup>]][[User talk:VS6507|<sub>5</sub><sup>07</sup>]]</span> 18:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:It shouldn't be linked per [[MOS:OVERLINK]]. [[User:Phlsph7|Phlsph7]] ([[User talk:Phlsph7|talk]]) 11:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::{{ul|MrOllie}} Well, what exactly tells you that the opening sentence is not as you say clear and easily understood? |
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== Nature of thought == |
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Let's take a look at the sentence: |
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This article very articulately and in great detail outlines various types of thoughts. However, I'm actually looking for a definition of "thought," and for that the article is disappointing. What, exactly, is a thought? Does it have an independent existence? What is the nature of it's substance? Is it physical? Just ponder: the brain works by firing neurons. They create an electrical impulse by the flow of sodium and potassium ions across a membrane. That is the totality of the brain's mechanism. So how can sodium and potassium ions crossing a membrane produce a Shakespearean sonnet? How does a "thought" emanate from the transmembrane ion fluxes? Some exploration of those aspects of thought would help this article. [[Special:Contributions/70.187.40.175|70.187.40.175]] ([[User talk:70.187.40.175|talk]]) 03:04, 28 August 2024 (UTC) |
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{{quote|'''Thought''' is defined as an "aim-oriented flow of ideas and associations that can lead to a reality-oriented conclusion".}} |
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:Hello and thanks for your feedback. If I understand you correctly, you are not looking for a definition in the traditional sense but you would like to learn more about the metaphysical dimension of thought. Some of this is covered in the subsection [[Thought#Metaphysics]]. Is this roughly the topic you had in mind? [[User:Phlsph7|Phlsph7]] ([[User talk:Phlsph7|talk]]) 08:17, 28 August 2024 (UTC) |
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aim-oriented means oriented towards a goal or an aim. |
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== Shortening == |
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Flow is a fairly common noun. |
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I feel like this article needs some general cleanup, and mostly in shortening some sections. [[User:MiniMikeRM|MiniMikeRM]] ([[User talk:MiniMikeRM|talk]]) 23:15, 11 November 2024 (UTC) |
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Ideas and associations too. |
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Reality-oriented conclusion is a conclusion that is based on reality, in other words what is real. |
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Therefore, for example, my idea was to check if there is still this definition there for people to read it and gain knowledge from it. The association was this article on the English Wikipedia, which was, as I suppose, thanks to you greatly improved. My conclusion would be that you don't like the content. [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]] |
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My suggestions would be: |
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#Adding a definition based on my literature in Simple English + adding a Definiton section. |
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#Restoring IMO very nice definition + adding a Definition section. |
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#All of the above without addition of Definition section. |
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#A combination of these. |
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Kindly, |
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<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#05df78 0.1em 0.1em 1.0em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;">[[User:VS6507|Vs<sup>6</sup>]][[User talk:VS6507|<sub>5</sub><sup>07</sup>]]</span> 18:43, 21 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:Yes, to some extent noting that an addition is badly written is always 'IDONTLIKEIT'. That doesn't mean that we want to have a badly written encyclopedia. [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie|talk]]) 18:45, 21 July 2022 (UTC) |
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::{{ul|MrOllie}} Okay, I appreciate your edit on [[Thought (disambiguation)|this page]]. |
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Do you concur with the addition of the improved version of the definition from that page in this form: |
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{{quote|Thought is a mental process, that consists of ideas and associations, which allows beings to come to conclusions, be conscious, make decisions, imagine and, in general, operate on symbols in a rational or irrational manner.}} |
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<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#05df78 0.1em 0.1em 1.0em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;">[[User:VS6507|Vs<sup>6</sup>]][[User talk:VS6507|<sub>5</sub><sup>07</sup>]]</span> 18:53, 21 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:Way too many clauses. I'm not even sure what that sentence is actually trying to communicate. I do not find it to be an improvement over what we have in this article currently - it was just the nearest semi comprehensible thing I could find in the article history. I'm still thinking about what would bet better. [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie|talk]]) 18:58, 21 July 2022 (UTC |
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You're right. I've tried to improve it. What about this one: |
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{{Quote|Thought is defined as a mental process consisted of ideas and associations. It can lead to logical or irrational conclusions. During a thought process conscious cognition can happen independently of sensory stimulation.}} |
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<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#05df78 0.1em 0.1em 1.0em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;">[[User:VS6507|Vs<sup>6</sup>]][[User talk:VS6507|<sub>5</sub><sup>07</sup>]]</span> 19:10, 21 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:'Thought is defined as a mental process consisted of ideas and associations.' is improper english. [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie|talk]]) 19:11, 21 July 2022 (UTC) |
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::And now you're edit warring to keep in grammar errors. Please stop. [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie|talk]]) 19:14, 21 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:::There are many different definitions of thought. They are explained and compared in the section "Definition". The first lead paragraph just constitutes a summary of this section. It's not a good idea to take one very particular definition of one specific field and use it as the introductory sentence of the whole article when there is a much more general definition available that covers all the cases. And, as {{u|MrOllie}} has already pointed out, the suggestions have various linguistic issues. [[User:Phlsph7|Phlsph7]] ([[User talk:Phlsph7|talk]]) 04:42, 22 July 2022 (UTC) |
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Thought as an abstract form
[edit]The brain generates and uses countless abstract forms/objects. The elemental abstract forms are thoughts (as elemental organic forms are cells), the most complex are skills, sciences, languages etc. Abstract forms/objects, although non-dimensional (shapeless), are energetically real (not 'imaginary'), as material forms are real (telekinesis, moving material objects/forms with thoughts, is a direct proof of that). Quantum physicist David Bohm (see: Thought as a System) among many others, also realized this, and dedicated many of his efforts bringing up the importance of thoughts to humankind: "Thought runs you. Thought, however, gives false info that you are running it, that you are the one who controls thought. Whereas actually thought is the one which controls each one of us..."
According to Rupert Sheldrake every abstract form, like every organic form, relates to a certain morphic field.
Unsigned comment
[edit]I came to this entry hoping to see various psychophysical, epigenetic, or perhaps esoteric(new thought, rosecrucians, theosophists etc.) hypotheses to the question "what is thought?" Surely a thought or abstraction is a thing composed of matter an energy. I found the entry to be quite unsatisfying.
merge with idea
[edit]what's the difference between a thought and an idea?!
That answer is online here - http://cnx.org/content/m14812/latest/
also, many differences and the relationship between thoughts, emotions and feelings is discussed in my online book "The Psychology of Emotions, Feelings and Thoughts" online here - http://cnx.org/content/m14358/latest/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.248.163.183 (talk)
Thinking effects
[edit]Result 1:
Favors in thinking comes from lacking of understanding how something works in life.
Example: Business Business owners use the limitations of human's education abilities as a tool for producing primary products for customers use for a profit range which changes as the economic cycle turns in stages.
Ex: TV mational and international People's lacking in knowing hoe electronics use electric energy for powering up a TV device.
So animation and vibraion from audio to reproduce a copy of a recording that will have fans amazed for centuries.
So this is one example that cause a business to be great from having people use there limits in understanding as a main source to buiness gains.
So everything is all about what people know and what people don't know. Key concept (patterns in life)
Cognitive Science
[edit]This subject EXPLICITLY studies the mind and its precesses. However, it is composed of many subjects including AI, Psychology, Philosophy, Linguistics etc... Should some of these subjects be replaced since cognitive science "absorbs" them? After all, the field is dedicated to it.
Common hyperlink
[edit]is the hyperlink to common really necessary? doesnt add anything to the article and makes article seem more cluttered. Tospsy (talk) 22:13, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- It shouldn't be linked per MOS:OVERLINK. Phlsph7 (talk) 11:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Nature of thought
[edit]This article very articulately and in great detail outlines various types of thoughts. However, I'm actually looking for a definition of "thought," and for that the article is disappointing. What, exactly, is a thought? Does it have an independent existence? What is the nature of it's substance? Is it physical? Just ponder: the brain works by firing neurons. They create an electrical impulse by the flow of sodium and potassium ions across a membrane. That is the totality of the brain's mechanism. So how can sodium and potassium ions crossing a membrane produce a Shakespearean sonnet? How does a "thought" emanate from the transmembrane ion fluxes? Some exploration of those aspects of thought would help this article. 70.187.40.175 (talk) 03:04, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hello and thanks for your feedback. If I understand you correctly, you are not looking for a definition in the traditional sense but you would like to learn more about the metaphysical dimension of thought. Some of this is covered in the subsection Thought#Metaphysics. Is this roughly the topic you had in mind? Phlsph7 (talk) 08:17, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Shortening
[edit]I feel like this article needs some general cleanup, and mostly in shortening some sections. MiniMikeRM (talk) 23:15, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
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