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{{About|the British television channel which broadcast from 2003 to 2016|the successor service which launched in 2016|BBC Three (internet television)|the BBC radio station|BBC Radio 3|the TV series from the 1960s|BBC-3|the Japanese television station in [[Shiga Prefecture]] that operates on channel 3|Biwako Broadcasting}}{{EngvarB|date=April 2014}} {{Use dmy dates|date=December 2015}}{{Infobox TV channel||name=BBC Three|logofile=BBC Three logo.svg|logosize=150px|logocaption=|launch={{start date |2003|2|9|df=yes}}|closed date={{close date |2016|2|16|df=yes}} <br><small>(Stopped broadcasting on TV on 31 March 2016)</small>|picture format=[[576i]] ([[16:9]] [[Standard-definition television|SDTV]])<br>[[1080i]] ([[High-definition television|HDTV]])|share=1.16%|share as of={{Start date|df=yes|2015|09}}|share source=[http://www.barb.co.uk/whats-new/monthly-viewing-summary?_s=4 BARB]|owner=[[BBC]]|country=United Kingdom|replaced names=[[BBC Choice]]|replaced by names=[[BBC Three (internet television)|BBC Three (online)]]|web={{URL|www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree}}|sister names=[[BBC One]]<br />[[BBC Two]]<br />[[BBC Four]]<br />[[BBC News (TV channel)|BBC News]]<br />[[BBC Parliament]]<br />[[CBBC (TV channel)|CBBC]]<br />[[CBeebies]]|avaliablity=}}'''BBC Three''' was a British [[television channel]] operated by the [[BBC]]. Launching on 9 February 2003 as a replacement for [[BBC Choice]], the service's remit was to provide "innovative" programming to a [[target audience]] of viewers between 16 and 34 years old, leveraging technology as well as new talent.<ref name="Service Licence3">{{cite web|url=http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/regulatory_framework/service_licences/tv/2013/bbc_three_sep13.pdf|title=BBC Three Service Licence|date=September 2013|publisher=BBC Trust|accessdate=16 November 2013}}</ref> |
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Unlike its commercial rivals, 90% of BBC Three's output was from the United Kingdom. 70% was original, covering all genres, including animation, comedy, current affairs, and drama. BBC Three had a unique ''[[60 Seconds]]'' format for its news bulletins, adopted so that operation of the channel could be completely automated, without the complication of dealing with variable length live news broadcasts. The former controller of the station, [[Zai Bennett]],<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12009574|title=Zai Bennett announced as new BBC Three controller|date=16 December 2010|publisher=BBC News|accessdate=16 November 2013}}</ref> left to join [[Sky Atlantic]] in July 2014, at which point BBC Three commissioner Sam Bickley became acting controller.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-27661302#sa-ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=PublicRSS20-sa|title=BBC Three appoints new channel boss Sam Bickley|date=2 June 2014|publisher=BBC News|accessdate=2 June 2014}}</ref> |
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== Article Title? == |
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Until February 2016, the network broadcast on [[Freeview (UK)|Freeview]], [[digital cable]], [[IPTV]] and [[Satellite television]] platforms, and was on-air from 7 pm to around 4 am each night to share terrestrial television [[Bandwidth (signal processing)|bandwidth]] with [[CBBC (TV channel)|CBBC]].<ref name="Service Licence3" /> In March 2014, as a result of a planned £100 million budget cut across the BBC, it was proposed that BBC Three be discontinued as a television service, and be converted to an [[Over-the-top content|over-the-top]] [[internet television]] service with a smaller programming budget and a focus on short-form productions.<ref name="auto3">{{cite news|url=http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/feb/26/bbc-channel-extra-cuts-tony-hall|title=BBC could axe frontline channel or service as it seeks extra £100m in cuts|last=Plunkett|first=John|date=26 February 2014|work=[[The Guardian]]|accessdate=5 March 2014}}</ref><ref name="auto13">{{cite news|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-26447089|title=BBC Three to be axed and move online|date=5 March 2014|publisher=BBC News|accessdate=5 March 2014}}</ref> Despite significant public opposition, the proposal was provisionally approved by the [[BBC Trust]] in June 2015,<ref name="Trustapproval3">{{cite news|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-33328907|title=BBC Three online move approved by BBC Trust|date=30 June 2015|publisher=BBC News|accessdate=5 July 2015}}</ref> with a new consultation open until 30 September of that year. The closure was confirmed in November 2015, with the TV channel ceasing operations on 16 February 2016, and replaced by an [[BBC Three (internet television)|internet-only incarnation of BBC Three]]. |
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This is not a formal proposal just yet. I'm gathering opinions and ideas so that we can get the BBC Three articles in a position that keeps the historic and future incarnations of it in a coherent order. |
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Seeing as this article covers a period that ends in 2016 and that the streaming article covers the 2016 - 2022 period and also that the 2022 version of BBC Three looks like a given. I think renaming this article and the streaming article would bring a lot of clarity to things. I'm thinking along the following lines: |
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== History == |
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In late 2001, the BBC decided to reposition and rebrand their two digital channels so that they could be more closely linked to the well established [[BBC One]] and [[BBC Two]]. Their plan was for [[BBC Knowledge]] to be renamed [[BBC Four]], and indeed this took place in 2002, and for [[BBC Choice]] to be renamed BBC Three. However, questions were raised over the proposed format of the new BBC Three, as some thought the new format would be too similar to the BBC's commercial rivals, namely [[ITV2]] and [[E4 (TV channel)|E4]], and would be unnecessary competition. The channel was eventually given the go ahead, eleven months after the original launch date, and launched on 9 February 2003.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2738245.stm|title=BBC Three digital channel launches|date=10 February 2003|publisher=BBC News}}</ref> The channel was launched by Stuart Murphy, who previously ran BBC Choice, and before that [[Play UK|UK Play]], the now-discontinued [[UKTV]] music and comedy channel. At 33, Murphy was the youngest channel controller in the country, a title he held since launching UK Play at the age of 26, although on 20 October 2005 it was announced that Murphy was soon to leave the channel to work in commercial television. On 12 May 2011, BBC Three was added to the Sky EPG in the Republic of Ireland on channel 229.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.theairwaves.net/channelnews/4399-ireland-extra-bbc-channels-being-added-to-sky-epg|title=Ireland: Extra BBC channels being added to Sky EPG|date=2 May 2011|publisher=The Airwaves}}</ref> It was later moved to channel 210 on 3 July 2012, to free up space for new channels. |
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* Rename BBC Three (this article) to BBC Three (2003 - 2016) |
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For the duration of the [[2012 Summer Olympics]], BBC Three increased its broadcasting hours to 24 hours to provide extra coverage of Olympic events.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/legacy/bbcthree/2012/07/the-olympics-on-bbc-three.shtml|title=The Olympics on BBC Three|date=27 July 2012|publisher=BBC Three|accessdate=22 May 2014}}</ref> Broadcast hours were extended again for the [[2014 Commonwealth Games]] with BBC Three broadcasting from 9:00 am to 4:00 am for the duration of the games.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/mediapacks/cwg/|title=Glasgow 2014 Commonwealth Games on BBC Sport|date=20 May 2014|publisher=BBC|accessdate=22 May 2014}}</ref> On 16 July 2013, the BBC announced that a [[High-definition television|high-definition]] (HD) [[simulcast]] of BBC Three would be launched by early 2014.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23326709|title=BBC to launch five new HD channels|date=16 July 2013|publisher=BBC News|accessdate=16 July 2013}}</ref> The channel launched on 10 December 2013.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2013/new-hd-channels.html|title=BBC to launch five new subscription-free HD channels on Tuesday 10 December|date=9 December 2013|publisher=BBC|accessdate=9 December 2013}}</ref> |
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* Rename [[BBC Three (streaming service)]] to BBC Three (2016 - 2022) |
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* Make a new BBC Three to either cover the 2022 incarnation or as a disambiguation page. |
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All of the above is to bring clarity to the individual and distinct phases of the channel. |
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=== Replacement by internet service === |
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Any opinions or alternative ideas? - [[User:X201|X201]] ([[User talk:X201|talk]]) 10:59, 5 November 2021 (UTC) |
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In February 2014, BBC Director-General [[Tony Hall, Baron Hall of Birkenhead|Tony Hall]] announced that cuts of £100 million would have to be made at the corporation; Hall threatened that the corporation could be forced to close one of its television services as a cost-savings measure.<ref name="auto3" /> On 5 March 2014, Hall announced a proposal to convert BBC Three to an online-only service, with an almost 50% cut to its programming budget, and a larger emphasis on short form content due to the cut in funding.<ref name="auto13" /><ref name="downloads.bbc.co.uk3">{{cite web|url=http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/review_report_research/service_changes/bbc_three_application.pdf|title=Public Value Assessment of the re-invention of BBC Three online and related proposals|publisher=BBC|accessdate=27 December 2015}}</ref> These changes formed part of a package of proposals from the BBC, including extending CBBC's hours, respending £30m on [[BBC One]] audiences for drama, and launching a one-hour timeshift channel of BBC One.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-26447089|title=BBC Three to be axed as on-air channel|date=5 March 2014|publisher=BBC|accessdate=6 March 2014}}</ref> There was notable backlash for the measures, with celebrities including [[Greg James]], [[Matt Lucas]] and [[Jack Whitehall]] speaking out.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/26445852|title=BBC Three gets celebrity backing in fight for survival|date=5 March 2014|publisher=BBC|accessdate=6 March 2014}}</ref> A petition against the move on [[change.org]] has gathered over 300,000 signatures. However, there was some support from media commentators, and those who back a "slimmer" BBC.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/mar/05/bbc3-tony-hall|title=Tony Hall's axing of BBC3 is the least worst way of saving money|last=Greenslade|first=Roy|work=The Guardian}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/opponents-of-bbc3-move-are-in-denial/5068394.article?blocktitle=Opinion&contentID=41531|title=Opponents of BBC3 move are in denial|publisher=broadcastnow.co.uk}}</ref> |
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*'''Leaning agree''' Because i found that despite defunct channel, many users adding the new 2021 logo that actually used in streaming service and future channel, assuming that the channel will return in 2022. [[Special:Contributions/36.77.95.70|36.77.95.70]] ([[User talk:36.77.95.70|talk]]) 21:48, 7 November 2021 (UTC) |
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When the BBC revealed the full detail in December 2014, it admitted there was widespread opposition from BBC Three viewers,<ref name="downloads.bbc.co.uk3" /> but said there was support for the wider package of proposals. They believed the public welcomed a BBC One +1 as it admits "a vast majority of viewing still takes place on linear channels".<ref name="downloads.bbc.co.uk3" /> The 'Save BBC Three' campaign pointed out this was a contradiction to what the BBC said about BBC Three.<ref name="ReferenceA3">{{cite web|url=http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/review_report_research/service_changes/pva/public_consultation.pdf|title=BBC Trust Public Value Assessment Public Consultation Report|publisher=BBC|accessdate=27 December 2015}}</ref> The [[BBC Trust]] began a 28-day public consultation regarding the plans on 20 January 2015<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/news/press_releases/2015/bbc_three_proposals|title=BBC - Trust begins public consultation on BBC Three proposals - BBC Trust|website=}}</ref> and it ended with a protest outside [[Broadcasting House]].<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31509042|title=Save BBC Three petition delivered to BBC Trust|date=17 February 2015|publisher=BBC News|accessdate=27 December 2015}}</ref> As part of the consultation a letter of 750 names against the move from the creative industry was sent to the BBC Trust, and this had the backing of a number of celebrities including [[Daniel Radcliffe]], [[Aiden Turner]], [[Olivia Colman]] and [[Lena Headey]].<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jun/08/save-bbc3-petition-daniel-radcliffe-lena-headey|title=BBC stars and comics among hundreds calling on broadcaster to save BBC3|last=Midgley|first=Neil|date=8 June 2015|work=The Guardian|accessdate=27 December 2015}}</ref> The polling company [[ICM Research|ICM]] concluded a "large majority" of those that replied to the consultation were against the move<ref name="ReferenceA3" /> with respondents particularly concerned about those who cannot stream programming online, the effect of the content budget cuts, and the BBC's own admission the audience numbers would drop.<ref name="ReferenceA3" /> |
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There's no point creating a new article for BBC Three and naming it BBC Three (2022) TV Channel, it would not make sense whatsoever as all the other BBC Channels have only one page. [[Special:Contributions/82.19.92.117|82.19.92.117]] ([[User talk:82.19.92.117|talk]]) 20:43, 9 January 2022 (UTC) |
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The Save BBC Three campaign has argued the transition period is too short and that programmes like ''[[Family Guy]]'', ''[[Hair (TV series)|Hair]]'', and ''[[Don't Tell the Bride]]'' have not performed as well on [[BBC One]] and [[BBC Two]] with the 16-34 year old audience, in comparison to BBC Three.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://savebbc3.com/response/|title=BBC Three - BBC Trust Consultation Responder|publisher=SaveBBC3.com|accessdate=27 December 2015}}</ref> It did not consider the proposals cost-effective because the BBC will need to spend on a new brand and triple advertising budgets to increase awareness of the new service. |
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:I'm going to agree with {{ping|82.19.92.117}} and say that there should ''not'' be a new article for the upcoming BBC Three channel. I agree that it makes no sense when the other channels have one page, but I also want to add that I don't see any issue about an article that represents a channel that closed down and was "relaunched". When it comes to consistency: we in fact already have an example of such a case, [[Great! TV]] was formerly called Sony Channel which closed down in 2018 before it was relaunched in 2019. And in cases such as [[Sky Living]] and a plethora of other examples, we don't have separate articles for rebrands that are called "relaunches", so the case for having a separate article for a channel that gets relaunched with the ''same'' name and identity i.e. BBC Three is even weaker. --[[User:Jf81|Jf81]] ([[User talk:Jf81|talk]]) 21:41, 9 January 2022 (UTC) |
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== Make My Body Younger == |
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Nonetheless the BBC Trust issued its final decision to approve the transition in November 2015, citing that younger audiences have increasingly migrated to online television content as opposed to linear television channels, and the ability to "deliver more distinctive content online, while bearing down on costs". Conditions were imposed on other BBC properties to compliment the changes; BBC One and Two will be required to develop "distinctive programmes designed for younger audiences", as well as air encores of all full-length programmes that originally premiere on the BBC Three online service. The Trust also approved related proposals to allow first-run and third-party content on iPlayer, as well as extend CBBC's broadcast day to 9:00 p.m. The BBC One timeshift service was rejected, citing "limited public value".<ref name="guardian-cbbcextend3">{{cite news|url=http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/nov/26/bbc-tells-parents-unhappy-cbbc-late-finish-off-button|title=BBC Trust tells parents unhappy at CBBC's late finish: 'there is an off button'|work=The Guardian|accessdate=16 February 2016}}</ref><ref name="bbc-3shutdownconditions3">{{cite web|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/news/press_releases/2015/service_changes_decision|title=BBC Trust publishes final decision on proposals for BBC Three, CBBC, iPlayer, BBC One+1|publisher=BBC|accessdate=16 February 2016}}</ref> [[Jimmy Mulville]] and [[Jon Thoday]] of independent production companies [[Hat Trick Productions]] and Avalon reportedly considered legal action against the Trust if it went ahead with the closure of the channel.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jul/03/bbc3-producers-call-on-culture-secretary-to-launch-review-into-closure|title=BBC3: producers call on culture secretary to launch review into closure|last=Sweney|first=Mark|date=3 July 2015|work=The Guardian|accessdate=27 December 2015}}</ref> They had previously offered to buy the channel to keep it on television, but the BBC said the channel was not up for sale.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/feb/17/bbc3-bid-jimmy-mulville-jon-thoday-trust|title=BBC3 bid: Jimmy Mulville and Jon Thoday step up pressure on trust|last=Midgely|first=Neil|date=17 February 2015|work=The Guardian|accessdate=27 December 2015}}</ref> |
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Youve missed Make My Body Younger, the reality show. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Joaquin89uy|Joaquin89uy]] ([[User talk:Joaquin89uy#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Joaquin89uy|contribs]]) 19:38, 1 December 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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: Done. | [[User:ComplainingCamel|ComplainingCamel]] ([[User talk:ComplainingCamel|talk]]) 16:50, 17 February 2022 (UTC) |
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== BBC Three logo colour == |
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BBC Three formally signed off during the early morning of 16 February 2016; the last programme on the channel was an episode of ''[[Gavin & Stacey]]'', introduced by its co-star [[James Corden]] from the [[Los Angeles]] set of ''[[The Late Late Show with James Corden|The Late Late Show]]''.<ref name="dspy-finalshow3">{{cite web|url=http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/news/a783648/james-corden-bids-farewell-to-bbc-three-with-a-heartfelt-message-it-took-a-chance-on-gavin-stacey/|title=James Corden bids farewell to BBC Three with a heartfelt message: 'It took a chance on Gavin & Stacey'|website=Digital Spy|accessdate=16 February 2016}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-02-09/bbc3s-final-night-of-tv-programming-is-packed-with-old-favourites|title=BBC3's final night of TV programming is packed with old favourites|website=Radio Times|accessdate=15 February 2016}}</ref> The channel will thereafter carry promotional information regarding the [[BBC Three (internet television)|BBC Three internet service]] until it officially goes dark.<ref name="digitalspy.com3">{{cite web|url=http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/news/a775348/bbc-three-will-move-online-in-march-2016-as-bbc-trust-approves-plans-to-axe-broadcast-tv-channel/|title=BBC Three will move online in March 2016 as BBC Trust approves plans to axe broadcast TV channel|last=Goodacre|first=Kate|date=26 November 2015|work=Digital Spy|accessdate=27 December 2015}}</ref><ref name="news.bbc.co.uk3">{{cite web|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35221706|title=BBC Three reveals new logo and switchover date|date=4 January 2016|publisher=BBC|accessdate=4 January 2016}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34932688|title=BBC Three to move online from February|publisher=BBC News|accessdate=29 December 2015}}</ref> To comply with regulations, BBC must show at least two hours of programming during the promotional "online only" times. The last ever program to be shown on BBC Three is [[Murder in Successville]], when it aired from 03:30 to 04:00 on 31 March 2016. From 05:30 "..programmes no longer available" appeared in the EPG. <ref>http://tv.sky.com/tv-guide#/day/4</ref> |
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Following the test broadcasts and the preview loop on Freeview, it is apparent that the colour of BBC Three is now going to be green, as opposed to the pink logo shown as the upcoming logo for BBC Three. I believe the logo should be changed to reflect the new logo colours. [[User:ProGamerSrijan|ProGamerSrijan]] ([[User talk:ProGamerSrijan|talk]]) 10:04, 12 January 2022 (UTC) |
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: Should the background not be made black? It would make the contrast much clearer - lime green on white (or off-white) is very hard on the eyes. – [[User:Dyolf87|Dyolf87]] ([[User talk:Dyolf87|talk]]) 21:03, 17 February 2022 (UTC) |
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== Merge proposal == |
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=== Sudden reappearance of live broadcasts === |
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I propose merging [[BBC Three (streaming service)]] into [[BBC Three]]. Despite previous opposition at [[Talk:BBC Three/Archive 1#Merge?]], I think this should be revisited. Asserting BBC Three as a separate streaming service between 2016 and 2022 is highly problematic, primarily that its existence within BBC iPlayer is apparent before and after these dates. The previous argument made that the streaming service article content does not fit easily into [[BBC Three]] appears false, as [[BBC Three#Replacement by Internet service]] is already a condensed version of its history section. [[BBC Three]] already prominently (and naturally) describes the streaming-only years as if the same channel as the broadcast iterations, and even contains information about the BBC One content block from 2019–2022 within its infobox. A separate article is confusing and misleading, and solves a problem that never existed. [[User:U-Mos|U-Mos]] ([[User talk:U-Mos|talk]]) 21:06, 28 July 2024 (UTC) |
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{{Unreferenced section|date=March 2016}}On 28 March 2016, exactly six weeks since the appearance of full-screen messages through the Sky satellite TV platform (BskyB) advising viewers that BBC Three had moved to the iPlayer service, BBC Three once again appeared in Sky’s live channel EPG line up. Previous highly successful BBC Three productions such as Jack Whiltehall’s “Bad Education” played in chronological order until 04:00 with a constantly scrolling graphic overlay advising BBC Three was available to “STREAM. DOWNLOAD. WATCH”, with a link to bbc.co.uk/three. The live broadcast also featured advertisements for other prime time BBC channels and programming, in direct contradiction to rulings of the BBC Trust. |
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[[File:BBC_Three_viewing_figures_from_BARB.png|link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BBC_Three_viewing_figures_from_BARB.png|right|thumb|300x300px|BBC three viewing share to March 2013]] |
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Many social media commenters (who had publicly questioned the BBC Trust’s decision to endorse the relegation of BBC Three to an on-demand, online-only streaming service) noted the irony and hypocrisy of suddenly repurposing the new live broadcast of successful BBC Three programmes as a vehicle to re-advertise the channel’s forced move to an online-only platform, and to advertise other BBC programming. |
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:*'''Oppose''': It'd be one thing if [[BBC Three (streaming service)]] was a stub (ie [[Cleo TV]], [[FM (TV channel)]]), or that the "condensed version of its history" on [[BBC Three]] wasn't '''three, massive paragraphs long'''. |
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:Neither is the case, otherwise, a separate page wouldn't have existed in the first place. |
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{{quotation|The remit of BBC Three is to bring younger audiences to high quality public service broadcasting through a mixed-genre schedule of innovative UK content featuring new UK talent. The channel should use the full range of digital platforms to deliver its content and to build an interactive relationship with its audience. The channel's target audience is 16–34-year-olds.|BBC Three Remit<ref name="Service Licence"/>}} |
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:Speaking of that [[Talk:BBC Three/Archive 1#Merge?|previous discussion]], the reason this was shot down in the first place is because the streaming version of BBC3 '''was''' a separate entity from the television channel it initially replaced. Because its content was exclusive to [[BBC iPlayer]], BBC3 & its programs were given separate on-air branding from the BBC's regular output across its linear channels. |
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:'''"What other channels have separate articles for their online output vs their broadcast output?", asks Walt111 on 16:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)''' |
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:The answer: [[Crave (TV network)]] & [[Crave (streaming service)]]; which merged in '''2018'''. They would have known this if they'd spent more time doing their research and " focus[ed] on making improvements" instead of "calling for deletion". |
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:It's been two years since BBC3 was relaunched. If the articles were meant to be merged, they would have already merged. [[User:Thecleanerand|Thecleanerand]] ([[User talk:Thecleanerand|talk]]) 19:00, 30 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::Since you quoted me, I'll respond. It's not clear from what I said, but I was thinking of specific UK channels. For instance BBC One is a broadcast TV channel, and can be streamed from within the BBC's streaming app called BBC iPlayer, and on-demand videos can also be streamed in the BBC One section of BBC iPlayer; but it has only one article, called BBC One, not separate articles referring to broadcast BBC One and a different article referring to streamed BBC One accessed via BBC iPlayer. The BBC One internet streams (linear and on-demand videos) was available when BBC iPlayer launched in 2007, like BBC Three (and BBC Two, BBC Four, CBBC etc). The same applies to ITV1 - it's a broadcast channel, and can be streamed within ITVX, but it has one article called ITV1. In contrast, Channel 4 is a broadcast channel and also the name of their umbrella streaming service (which includes several channels including linear Channel 4), so it has two articles called Channel 4 and Channel 4 (VoD service). At no point was BBC Three (or BBC One, BBC Two etc) ever a stand-alone VoD service separated from BBC iPlayer. Here's an internet archive link to BBC Three, in BBC iPlayer in Jan 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160119005413/https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree |
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::00:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC) [[User:Walt111|Walt111]] ([[User talk:Walt111|talk]]) 00:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC) |
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* '''Support''' The separation into two articles, with the benefit of hindsight and the increasing fluidity of television offerings, is arbitrary. The Crave case is not identical because, despite having taken the same name, they had independent histories that only later intersected. In this case, the streaming service only existed when the linear channel was shut down, and reuniting the articles neatly fills the gap. [[User:Sammi Brie|<span style="color:#ba4168">Sammi Brie</span>]] (she/her • [[User talk:Sammi Brie|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sammi Brie|c]]) 06:56, 10 August 2024 (UTC) |
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* '''Support''' I see no reason to separate these. They could easily be merged with no loss of understanding. [[User:TheDoctorWho|<span style="color:#0000ff;">'''The'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff">'''Doctor'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">'''Who'''</span>]] [[User talk:TheDoctorWho|(talk)]] 03:45, 27 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:*'''Comment''' I personally prefer '''Support'''. But if the merged artical become too long, then I prefer a independent "History" page, to include the whole history. |
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The channel's target audience was 16–34-year-olds,<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/our_work/services/television/service_licences/bbc_three.html|title=BBC Three|date=21 May 2012|publisher=BBC Trust|accessdate=16 November 2013}}</ref> and it faced heavy competition from rivals including ITV2 and E4,<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.brandrepublic.com/news/779694/|title=Is BBC Three a commercial threat?|last=Clark|first=Nicola|work=Brand Republic|accessdate=16 November 2013}}</ref> for an audience that the BBC has traditionally had difficulty in attracting. In 2008 it reached 26.3% of 16–34-year-olds in digital homes—the channel's highest ever such reach and above that of E4, ITV2, Dave and Sky 1.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/regulatory_framework/service_licences/service_reviews/yar/yar_review.pdf|title=BBC Trust Service Review Younger audiences: BBC Three, Radio 1 and 1Xtra|publisher=BBC Trust|accessdate=16 November 2013}}</ref> |
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:[[User:Awdqmb|Awdqmb]] ([[User talk:Awdqmb|talk]]) 15:24, 6 September 2024 (UTC) |
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* '''Support''' Definitely merge, it shouldn't have been split in the first place. The 'streaming service' article begins ''BBC Three was a British over-the-top internet television service operated by the BBC. It was launched on 16 February 2016 as a replacement for the linear BBC Three television channel, which closed down the same day but was later relaunched on 1 February 2022.'' The whole premise of that article is wrong, since the channel has been in iPlayer continuously since iPlayer launched in 2007, with the bit between Feb 2016 - Feb 2022 explained by being the period when the linear channel temporarily stopped. There was never an OTT app called 'BBC Three' which the 'streaming service' article implies. [[User:Walt111|Walt111]] ([[User talk:Walt111|talk]]) 00:15, 13 November 2024 (UTC) |
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On average, nine million people watched BBC Three every week,<ref name="keyfacts3">{{cite web|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/keyfacts/stories/bbcthree.shtml|title=BBC Press Office – BBC Three key facts|publisher=BBC|accessdate=11 August 2008}}</ref> and it had a 2.6% share of the 15–34-year-old audience and 1.4% of the whole population, according to the [[Broadcasters' Audience Research Board]] (BARB). These ratings by BARB, the official ratings agency, average out BBC Three's viewing figures over a 24-hour period even though the channel only broadcasts in the evening, giving a distorted sense of the channel's viewership. Despite several official complaints from the BBC, BARB continues to publish figures which the BBC argues are unrepresentative. |
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*'''Support''' Articles not being stubs and being 2 different things do not excuse them not merging. They can be summarized in 1 single article. If not then go with [[User:Awdqmb|Awdqmb's]] suggestion. |
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[[User:Spongebob796|Spongebob796]] ([[User talk:Spongebob796|talk]]) 12:55, 29 November 2024 (UTC) |
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BBC Three's programming consisted of comedy, drama, spin-off series and repeated episodes of series from BBC One and BBC Two, and other programmes that attempted to alert others of their actions through a series of programmes challenging common beliefs. |
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An example of BBC Three's comedy output includes the award-winning comedy ''[[Little Britain]]'', which in October 2004 broke its previous viewing record when 1.8 million viewers tuned in for a new series.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.brandrepublic.com/news/225419/BBC-Three-last-laugh-Little-Britains-2m-ratings/?HAYILC=RELATED|title=BBC Three has last laugh with Little Britain's 2m ratings|last=Matthews|first=Sam|date=20 October 2004|work=Brand Republic|accessdate=16 November 2013}}</ref> ''Little Britain'' was later broadcast on the BBC's terrestrial analogue channels BBC One and BBC Two. The channels longest-running comedy programme is ''[[Two Pints of Lager and a Packet of Crisps]]''. Some current programmes feature stand-up comedians performing their own take on a subject, usually the news, examples of which include ''[[Russell Howard's Good News]]'' (Now being broadcast on [[BBC Two]], due to success and partly to BBC Three's move to online only) and ''[[Lee Nelson's Well Good Show]]''. |
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=== Comedy and drama === |
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The channel aired various comedies and dramas; one of its most popular sitcoms was ''[[Gavin & Stacey]]'', which first aired in May 2007 and was written by and starring [[Ruth Jones]] and [[James Corden]] alongside [[Mathew Horne]], [[Joanna Page]], [[Alison Steadman]] and [[Rob Brydon]]. The sitcom was an instant hit, with subsequent series being moved to other BBC channels and the show being granted a Christmas special. Another example is ''[[Being Human (UK TV series)|Being Human]]'', a drama in which a ghost, a [[vampire]] and a [[werewolf]] share a flat, which has become a success and heralded several new series. American programming also features, with ''[[American Dad!]]'' and ''[[Family Guy]]'' being the notable examples. |
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Numerous popular series were either repeated on the channel or have spin-offs created from them. In early 2003, viewers could watch episodes of popular BBC soap opera ''[[EastEnders]]'' on BBC Three before they were broadcast on BBC One. This programming decision coincided with the relaunch of the channel and helped it break the one million viewers milestone for the first time. An episode of ''EastEnders Revealed'', which was commissioned for BBC Three and looking behind the scenes of the programme, attracted 611,000 viewers. In 2005, BBC Three commissioned the documentary series ''[[Doctor Who Confidential]]'', which was shown immediately after episodes of the new series of ''[[Doctor Who]]'' had been screened on BBC One. This was followed up in July 2005, when it began to screen repeats of both programmes. |
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In October 2005, it was announced that BBC Three had commissioned a spin-off drama series from ''Doctor Who'', ''[[Torchwood]]'', designed as a post-[[Watershed (television)|watershed]] science fiction drama for a more adult audience. ''Torchwood'' launched with 2.4 million viewers in October 2006.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6077078.stm|title=Torchwood scores record audience|date=23 October 2006|publisher=BBC News|accessdate=3 January 2008}}</ref> ''Torchwood'' is the first science fiction programme ever to have been commissioned by the channel, and its popularity led to it being broadcast on BBC Two for the second series, and on BBC One for subsequent series. In 2010, BBC Three began airing episodes of the fifth series of BBC drama series ''[[Waterloo Road (TV series)|Waterloo Road]]'' after they had aired on BBC One as part of its 'catch-up' programming. From January 2015, BBC Three aired the remaining episodes of ''Waterloo Road'' before being repeated on BBC One later the same day.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s24/waterloo-road/news/a615903/waterloo-road-to-lose-primetime-bbc-one-slot.html|title=Waterloo Road to lose primetime BBC One slot|last=Kilkelly|first=Daniel|date=11 December 2014|work=Digital Spy|accessdate=16 December 2014}}</ref> |
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=== Documentaries === |
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BBC Three also airs highly acclaimed documentaries reflecting young people's experience of the world, including the BAFTA winning ''Our War''; ''[[Blood, Sweat and T-shirts]]'' plus subsequent sequels; ''Life & Death Row'' and their recent season of films about mental illness. BBC Three also broadcasts specialist factual documentaries, such as ''How Drugs Work'' and ''How Sex Works'', plus the critically acclaimed documentary series ''[[People Just Do Nothing]]''. |
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BBC Three has also commissioned a number of notable single one-off documentaries, including ''Growing Up Down's'' (2014), ''[[My Brother the Islamist]]'' (2011), ''Small Teen Big World'' (2010); ''Stormchaser: The Butterfly and the Tornado'' (2012) and ''The Autistic Me'' (2009). Many are commissioned through BBC Three's FRESH scheme; providing an opportunity for 'the next generation of directors' to make their first 60-minute documentary for the channel.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/commissioning/news/fresh-documentaries---new-directors-for-bbc-three-2013.shtml|title=Fresh documentaries for BBC Three|date=28 February 2013|accessdate=12 March 2014}}</ref> |
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=== News and sport === |
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The channel features hourly news updates called ''[[60 Seconds]]'', presented by Sam Naz during the week, which include the top news, sport and entertainment stories. They are presented in a relaxed style in keeping with the rest of the channel. As part of the BBC's discussions with the government regarding the founding of the channel, a longer news programme had been promised to provide a daily section of news and current affairs. ''The News Show'', as it came to be called upon launch, was later rebranded ''[[The 7 O'Clock News]]''. However, the BBC discontinued the bulletin in 2005, following a recommendation made in the 2004 Barwise Report, which found that the channel's target audience sought news from elsewhere.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4365628.stm|title=BBC Three drops nightly news show|date=21 October 2005|publisher=BBC News|accessdate=16 November 2013}}</ref> |
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The channel also showed some sports programming. ''[[Match of the Day|Match of the Day Live]]'' broadcast international football matches featuring [[Wales national football team|Wales]], often when an [[England national football team|England]] match was being shown on BBC One. The channel also showed some matches of [[England women's national football team|England's Women's team]]. Highlights of the [[2008 Africa Cup of Nations]] were shown on the channel from 20 January to 10 February 2008.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/africa/7096771.stm|title=Africa Cup of Nations on the BBC|date=8 February 2008|publisher=BBC Sport|accessdate=16 November 2013}}</ref> |
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=== List of Programmes === |
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Here is a list of programmes that were on BBC3 |
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'''Comedy''' |
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* [[Little Britain]] (2003–04) |
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* [[Two Pints of Lager and a Packet of Crisps]] (2003–11) |
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* [[The Mighty Boosh]] (2004–07) |
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* [[Gavin & Stacey]] (2007–08) |
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* [[Russell Howard's Good News]] (2009–13) |
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* [[Him & Her]] (2010–13) |
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* [[Bad Education (TV series)|Bad Education]] (2012–14) |
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* [[Cuckoo (TV series)|Cuckoo]] (2012–present) |
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* [[Uncle (TV series)|Uncle]] (2014–present) |
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* [[Josh (TV series)|Josh]] (2015–2016) |
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'''Drama''' |
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* [[Being Human (UK TV series)|Being Human]] (2008–13) |
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* [[The Fades (TV series)|The Fades]] (2011) |
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* [[In the Flesh (TV series)|In the Flesh]] (2013–14) |
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* [[Our World War]] (2014) |
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'''Unscripted''' |
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* [[Don't Tell the Bride]] (2007–14) |
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* I Believe in UFOs: Danny Dyer (2010) |
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* Our War (2011–12) |
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* [[People Just Do Nothing]] (2014–present) |
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* Asian Provocateur (2015–present) |
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'''Imports''' |
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* [[Family Guy]] (2006–16) |
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* [[Jonah From Tonga]] (2014) |
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== Presentation == |
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[[File:BBC_Three_blobs.jpg|link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BBC_Three_blobs.jpg|thumb|One of the former BBC Three "Blobs"]] |
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[[File:BBC_Three_ident_2013.png|link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BBC_Three_ident_2013.png|thumb|The Discovery package was in action from October 2013-January 2016, prior to the channel's online move]] |
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The channel's original [[Television ident|idents]] were conceived by Stefan Marjoram at [[Aardman Animations]] and were used from launch until February 2008. Stuart Murphy was touring Aardman Animations looking for new programming ideas for BBC Three when he spotted the cone shaped creatures, he then took the idea back to the [[Lambie-Nairn]] agency, responsible for the BBC Three identity package.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://thetvroom.com/bbcuk/bbc-3-01-01.html|title=The TV Room – BBC Three – February 2003 – February 2008|accessdate=5 April 2009}}</ref> A feature of this identity is also the music "Three Is The Magic Number", based (only the lyrics are copied) upon ''[[Schoolhouse Rock!]]''. |
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[[BBC Online]] provided a number of downloads and activities based on the channel's identity, these included "BlobMate", screensavers, wallpapers and also games such as ''BlobLander'' and ''BlobBert''. The idea used by both Lambie-Nairn, who had developed the branding for [[CBeebies]] and [[CBBC]], and Aardman, was to create the BBC Three blobs as a relation to the green and yellow blobs of the children's channels. Up until they rebranded the channel, it had two continuity announcers, Kieron Elliott and Lola Buckley. Currently the channel's announcers are Gavin Inskip and Jen Long with out-of-vision continuity presented live during peak time. |
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On 22 January 2008 a new channel identity was unveiled. Rebranding was carried out by [[Red Bee Media]], along with agencies MPG and Agency Republic with music and sound design by creative audio company Koink.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.koink.uk.com|title=Home – Creative Production – Original Music – Koink|accessdate=11 August 2008}}</ref> |
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The Discovery Indents were introduced in October 2013 and lasted until January 2016, retaining the logo from 2008. The idents follow the theme of "discovery", and were designed by Claire Powell at Red Bee Media.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.redbeemedia.com/work/bbc-three-0|title=BBC Three|date=October 2013|publisher=Red Bee Media|accessdate=16 November 2013}}</ref> The soundtrack for the idents was composed by Chris Branch and Tom Haines at Brains & Hunch.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwGWwyQ11yM|title=BBC Three Idents|date=9 October 2013|publisher=YouTube|accessdate=16 November 2013}}</ref> |
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On 4 January 2016, alongside the announcement of the date on which the channel will become an internet-only service, a third logo was unveiled. Inspired by the iconography of [[Mobile application|mobile applications]], the new logo incorporates the [[roman numeral]] for the number 3, with the third bar replaced by an exclamation mark. Marketing head Nikki Carr explained that the three bars represented the three principles of BBC Three as a service; making viewers "think", "laugh", and have a voice.<ref name="bbcnews-newlogo20163">{{cite web|url=http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-35221706|title=BBC Three reveals new logo and switchover date|publisher=BBC News|accessdate=10 January 2016}}</ref> |
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== Awards == |
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The channel has had critical and popular successes, winning more awards in its eleven-year history than its commercial rivals (Sky 1, [[Sky Living]], E4, ITV2, [[Channel 5 (UK)|Channel 5]] and [[Comedy Central (UK and Ireland)|Comedy Central]]) have won in their combined 25-year history. In total BBC Three has won 7 [[British Academy of Film and Television Arts|BAFTA]] awards, 5 [[British Comedy Award|British Comedy Awards]], 15 [[Royal Television Society]] Awards and 5 [[Rose d'Or]] Awards since the channel was launched in February 2003. Most recently, it won ''Broadcast Magazine'''s ''Digital Channel of the Year'' Award for Best General Entertainment Channel, and MGEITF Non Terrestrial Channel of the Year. |
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In 2008, BBC Three's ''[[Gavin & Stacey]]'' won the BAFTA audience award and the best comedy performance award was awarded to James Corden for his part.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1896203/Gavin-and-Stacey-wins-top-honours-at-Baftas.html|title=Gavin and Stacey wins top honours at Baftas|date=21 April 2008|last2=Martin|first2=Nicole|newspaper=The Telegraph|last1=Singh|first1=Anita|accessdate=16 November 2013}}</ref> |
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== Criticism == |
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The channel has also come in for criticism from several corners, the most prominent of which are some of the BBC's long-standing presenters. These include [[John Humphrys]], who argued that BBC Three and BBC Four should be shut down in the face of budget cuts to [[BBC Radio 4]]'s ''[[Today (BBC Radio 4)|Today programme]]'', which he presents,<ref name="jhumphrys3">{{cite news|url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/humphrys-bbc-costcutters-should-axe-new-channels-401269.html|title=Humphrys: BBC cost-cutters should axe new channels|last=Burrell|first=Ian|date=3 September 2007|newspaper=The Independent|accessdate=8 May 2008}}</ref> [[John Sweeney (journalist)|John Sweeney]] of ''[[Panorama (TV series)|Panorama]]'',<ref name="jsweeney3">{{cite news|url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-479553/Scrap-BBC-Three-Four-save-prestigious-programmes-says-veteran-journalist-John-Humphrys.html|title=Scrap BBC Three and Four to save prestigious programmes, says veteran journalist John Humphrys|date=3 September 2007|newspaper=Daily Mail}}</ref> and [[Jeremy Paxman]] are among other journalists who have also criticised the channel and its content.<ref name="times3">{{cite news|url=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/camilla_cavendish/article2028767.ece|title=BBC Three and Four, your number's up|last=Cavendish|first=Camilla|date=5 July 2007|newspaper=The Times|accessdate=8 May 2008|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20080708200946/http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/camilla_cavendish/article2028767.ece|archivedate=8 July 2008|deadurl=no}}</ref> |
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In July 2010 a UK music magazine printed a letter from the pressure group Friends of Radio 3 that criticised BBC Three for having 'comedies, game shows, films and documentaries, but no arts programming at all'.<ref>Letter from Sarah Spilsbury, ''Musical Opinion'', July–August 2010, p. 56</ref> In a later issue another correspondent endorsed this assessment on the basis of a search through issues of the ''Radio Times'', and cast doubt on the BBC's claim (in the document ''Performance Against Public Commitments 2009/10'') that the channel broadcast '54 hours of new music and arts programming' in that year.<ref>Letter from Mark Doran, ''Musical Opinion'', November–December 2010, p. 3</ref> Two months later the same correspondent wrote in to inform readers that the BBC had refused his 'Freedom of Information' request concerning the titles of the programmes used in calculating the '54 hours' total.<ref>Letter from Mark Doran, ''Musical Opinion'', January–February 2011, p. 4</ref> |
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== References == |
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[edit]This is not a formal proposal just yet. I'm gathering opinions and ideas so that we can get the BBC Three articles in a position that keeps the historic and future incarnations of it in a coherent order.
Seeing as this article covers a period that ends in 2016 and that the streaming article covers the 2016 - 2022 period and also that the 2022 version of BBC Three looks like a given. I think renaming this article and the streaming article would bring a lot of clarity to things. I'm thinking along the following lines:
- Rename BBC Three (this article) to BBC Three (2003 - 2016)
- Rename BBC Three (streaming service) to BBC Three (2016 - 2022)
- Make a new BBC Three to either cover the 2022 incarnation or as a disambiguation page.
All of the above is to bring clarity to the individual and distinct phases of the channel. Any opinions or alternative ideas? - X201 (talk) 10:59, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
- Leaning agree Because i found that despite defunct channel, many users adding the new 2021 logo that actually used in streaming service and future channel, assuming that the channel will return in 2022. 36.77.95.70 (talk) 21:48, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
There's no point creating a new article for BBC Three and naming it BBC Three (2022) TV Channel, it would not make sense whatsoever as all the other BBC Channels have only one page. 82.19.92.117 (talk) 20:43, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- I'm going to agree with @82.19.92.117: and say that there should not be a new article for the upcoming BBC Three channel. I agree that it makes no sense when the other channels have one page, but I also want to add that I don't see any issue about an article that represents a channel that closed down and was "relaunched". When it comes to consistency: we in fact already have an example of such a case, Great! TV was formerly called Sony Channel which closed down in 2018 before it was relaunched in 2019. And in cases such as Sky Living and a plethora of other examples, we don't have separate articles for rebrands that are called "relaunches", so the case for having a separate article for a channel that gets relaunched with the same name and identity i.e. BBC Three is even weaker. --Jf81 (talk) 21:41, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Make My Body Younger
[edit]Youve missed Make My Body Younger, the reality show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joaquin89uy (talk • contribs) 19:38, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
BBC Three logo colour
[edit]Following the test broadcasts and the preview loop on Freeview, it is apparent that the colour of BBC Three is now going to be green, as opposed to the pink logo shown as the upcoming logo for BBC Three. I believe the logo should be changed to reflect the new logo colours. ProGamerSrijan (talk) 10:04, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
- Should the background not be made black? It would make the contrast much clearer - lime green on white (or off-white) is very hard on the eyes. – Dyolf87 (talk) 21:03, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
Merge proposal
[edit]I propose merging BBC Three (streaming service) into BBC Three. Despite previous opposition at Talk:BBC Three/Archive 1#Merge?, I think this should be revisited. Asserting BBC Three as a separate streaming service between 2016 and 2022 is highly problematic, primarily that its existence within BBC iPlayer is apparent before and after these dates. The previous argument made that the streaming service article content does not fit easily into BBC Three appears false, as BBC Three#Replacement by Internet service is already a condensed version of its history section. BBC Three already prominently (and naturally) describes the streaming-only years as if the same channel as the broadcast iterations, and even contains information about the BBC One content block from 2019–2022 within its infobox. A separate article is confusing and misleading, and solves a problem that never existed. U-Mos (talk) 21:06, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: It'd be one thing if BBC Three (streaming service) was a stub (ie Cleo TV, FM (TV channel)), or that the "condensed version of its history" on BBC Three wasn't three, massive paragraphs long.
- Neither is the case, otherwise, a separate page wouldn't have existed in the first place.
- Speaking of that previous discussion, the reason this was shot down in the first place is because the streaming version of BBC3 was a separate entity from the television channel it initially replaced. Because its content was exclusive to BBC iPlayer, BBC3 & its programs were given separate on-air branding from the BBC's regular output across its linear channels.
- "What other channels have separate articles for their online output vs their broadcast output?", asks Walt111 on 16:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- The answer: Crave (TV network) & Crave (streaming service); which merged in 2018. They would have known this if they'd spent more time doing their research and " focus[ed] on making improvements" instead of "calling for deletion".
- It's been two years since BBC3 was relaunched. If the articles were meant to be merged, they would have already merged. Thecleanerand (talk) 19:00, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Since you quoted me, I'll respond. It's not clear from what I said, but I was thinking of specific UK channels. For instance BBC One is a broadcast TV channel, and can be streamed from within the BBC's streaming app called BBC iPlayer, and on-demand videos can also be streamed in the BBC One section of BBC iPlayer; but it has only one article, called BBC One, not separate articles referring to broadcast BBC One and a different article referring to streamed BBC One accessed via BBC iPlayer. The BBC One internet streams (linear and on-demand videos) was available when BBC iPlayer launched in 2007, like BBC Three (and BBC Two, BBC Four, CBBC etc). The same applies to ITV1 - it's a broadcast channel, and can be streamed within ITVX, but it has one article called ITV1. In contrast, Channel 4 is a broadcast channel and also the name of their umbrella streaming service (which includes several channels including linear Channel 4), so it has two articles called Channel 4 and Channel 4 (VoD service). At no point was BBC Three (or BBC One, BBC Two etc) ever a stand-alone VoD service separated from BBC iPlayer. Here's an internet archive link to BBC Three, in BBC iPlayer in Jan 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160119005413/https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree
- 00:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC) Walt111 (talk) 00:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support The separation into two articles, with the benefit of hindsight and the increasing fluidity of television offerings, is arbitrary. The Crave case is not identical because, despite having taken the same name, they had independent histories that only later intersected. In this case, the streaming service only existed when the linear channel was shut down, and reuniting the articles neatly fills the gap. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:56, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support I see no reason to separate these. They could easily be merged with no loss of understanding. TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:45, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I personally prefer Support. But if the merged artical become too long, then I prefer a independent "History" page, to include the whole history.
- Awdqmb (talk) 15:24, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Definitely merge, it shouldn't have been split in the first place. The 'streaming service' article begins BBC Three was a British over-the-top internet television service operated by the BBC. It was launched on 16 February 2016 as a replacement for the linear BBC Three television channel, which closed down the same day but was later relaunched on 1 February 2022. The whole premise of that article is wrong, since the channel has been in iPlayer continuously since iPlayer launched in 2007, with the bit between Feb 2016 - Feb 2022 explained by being the period when the linear channel temporarily stopped. There was never an OTT app called 'BBC Three' which the 'streaming service' article implies. Walt111 (talk) 00:15, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support Articles not being stubs and being 2 different things do not excuse them not merging. They can be summarized in 1 single article. If not then go with Awdqmb's suggestion.
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