Talk:Isa Boletini

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http://www.trepca.net/histori/020113-shala-bajgores-ne-veshtrimin-historik.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.67.64.10 (talk) 20:53, 6 February 2005 (UTC)

Serbia & Montenegro

Wow, I find the Balkans amazing. Especially the Albanians. According to this article, this Albanian fought against Serbian & Montenegro, so he travelled to the future, and fought against a country that existed from 2003 – 2006. Simply amazing...

If you don't get it, this article needs some MAJOR clean up! Not only that, but the article seems very nationalistic and pro-Albanian, exclaiming that Albania is Greece, Macedonia, and Serbia, by claiming some of the major cities of the respective nations, and no sources, to back up the many claims. Even grammar and spelling needs to be fixed. Somebody should really look over this article... even though I'm sure many won't bother too.

67.55.4.212 (talk) 20:52, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

He fought against the joint Serbian and Montenegrin forces of that time, whatever state or governal entity they belonged to.The article isn't making any claims on neighboring countries,it simply enlists the albanian movement at the time.Amenifus (talk) 07:51, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Bajazit I. Boljetinac

There was a Yugoslav officer, educated in Vienna (1919), Bajazit I. Boljetinac. He is mentioned in military journals throughout the 1920s, as a cavalry sublieutenant (1921), lieutenant (1924), 2nd-class captain (1927), 1929, 1931. Perhaps a relative?--Zoupan 11:47, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Mithat Q. Begolli. KRYEZINJTË E GJAKOVËS. Lulu.com. pp. 119–. ISBN 978-1-304-12767-9. Tafili shkruan: "Mbas pak ditësh erdhi Bajaziti (Bajazit Boletini, djal i Isa Boletinit--Zoupan 04:06, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Lulu.com isn't reliable, Zoupan. 23 editor (talk) 18:46, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

• Dželetović, Pavle Ivanov; Ivanov, Pavle Dželetović (2000). Balistički pokret: 1939-1952 : masovnost, saradnja sa italijanskim i nemačkim okupatorima i zločini nad Srbima. Arhiv Srbije. p. 7. ... официр бивше југословенске војске, иначе у данима окупације командант окупационе жандармерије а касније и командант по злу познатог шиптарског пука Регимент Косова. Бајазит је син познатог качачког вође Иса Бољетина ...
• Dželetović, Pavle (2005). Zločini Arbanasa nad Srbima. Obeležja. p. 106. Командант овог пука био је Бајазит Бољетини син озлоглашеног качака Исе Бољетиниа.

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the 1878-1907 section is filled with ahistorical facts and misinformation

This section absolutely needs to be gone from the biography and never return due to that it blatantly disseminates misinformation of one of the most prominent Albanian leaders of the early 20th century.

I am not schooled enough in early Albanian history to be able to provide a concrete replacement for this bio but I am an advid historian of the 1990s break up of Yugoslavia, and the sources used to back up the claim boletini ordered genocide and was a rapist are very weak. The reasons they are weak are because some of them are Serbian newspapers from the early 1900s, which alone should raise some eye browns as Serbia was in a state of expelling ethnic Albanians from southern Serbia following the ottoman loss of the first Balkan war. The press certainly had a mandate from the public as well as the king of Serbia to justify these actions (That was Yugoslavia. Ost-Dienst. 1991.) The other reason why the sources are weak is that besides the newspapers they are composed of historians from the Serbian Academy of Arts and Sciences. I mean no disrespect to Serbians but the Serbian Academy of Sciences and art has been one of the most ethno-nationalist institutions of art in Serbia. Many of its members are blamed for making a scholastic case for Slobodan Milosevic's rise to power, and giving credibility to the claims that Serbians were mistreated in Yugoslavia. The book Yugoslavia Death of a Nation, written by a team of BBC reporters sent to document the reasons why the war in Bosnia and Croatia started, blame the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts for initially stirring up the Serbian nationalism that led to the fall of Yugoslavia and genocide in Bosnia + Croatia. The two historians cited in boletini's 1878-1907 section Dusan Batakovic and Kosta Mihailović were both part of these organizations in the 1980s, the time where the academy was laying the groundwork for the establishment of a Greater Serbia. The culmination of this work led to a memorandum that was published in September 1986 who these two historians were most certainly apart of the drafting process of this document.

"It was the dream of all nationalists in Yugoslavia to put their vision down on paper and then make it a reality. They knew their plans could not be executed immediately, but they were content to wait. The memorandum of the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts remains shrouded in mystery nearly a decade after its existence was revealed. Was the Memorandum an attempt to settle political scores in Serbia? How did Slobodan Milosevic, the ambitious Party chief, avoid taking a public stand? Was the revival of Serbian nationalism the first step towards dismembering Yugoslavia?

(Silber, Laura, and Allan Little. 1997. Yugoslavia: death of a nation. New York: Penguin Books page 31)

This memorandum painted Serbs as the victims of Yugoslavia, and said very egregious claims including that Albanians were then currently waging genocide in Kosovo, Slovenia and Croatia were taking advantage of Serbia, Croats were threatening ethnic cleansing, the list can go on and on. The so-called "facts" this memorandum used were of course all nonsense drummed up by Serb nationalists. In irony, the so called "genocide against the Serbs" was used as a justification for serb militias to commit genocide in Croatia, Bosnia, and ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. Some historians and experts in the region point to this memorandum as the turning point that led Yugoslavia into bloodshed. I cannot let the legacy of a prominent Albanian national figure be sabotaged by the writings of so-called "historians" that want to revise history for the satisfaction of Serbs being painted as the perpetual victims in the Balkans. Please leave the 1878-1907 section blank until someone writes an actual historical biography for Isa Boletini.

In addition, the user who wrote this section of the bio was no other than a Serbian user who was banned for abusing multiple accounts. Most likely these accounts were used to change pages describing leaders of Bosnia, Croatia, and Albania to include Serbian Ethno-nationalist revisionism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zoupan Fickleminotaur (talk) 19:34, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

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Place Naming

Can we have a sort of agreement on the Talk page about choosing what name to use about a specific place? It's jarring to read "Pejë" in one paragraph, "Ipek" in the other, and then "Pejë" again. I don't have a particular preference on whether to use the current form, the historical form, or the one used at the time, but it needs to be decided which one to use and correct the main page. ArdenDem (talk) 21:54, 29 November 2024 (UTC)