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== New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024 ==
==CSD tagging ==
Hello, Passengerpigeon,

Please do not tag new pages (like [[Being Human (Music Producer)]]) right after they have been created. The editor might be working on improving them and it's hard for articles to meet Wikipedia standards 5 or 10 minutes after they have been created. If the editor is working on the article, please give them more time before tagging a page to be deleted. And if you could help them improve the article, even better! Thanks. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 04:27, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

*Dear {{ping|Liz}}, thanks for reaching out to me; I already follow that principle with A1 and A3 deletions, but in this case, nothing the page creator could have done in terms of finding sources etc. would have prevented deletion, because it was clear that the subject simply wasn't notable enough. Thank you, <b>[[User:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#E68A00;">Passenger</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#4C6680;">pigeon</span>]] ([[User talk:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:grey;">talk</span>]])</b> 04:31, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
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== Adopt me ==

I want to be adopted. I've been editing for a month but I keep making mistakes. I only edit outer space related articles. There is a discussion about me at [[wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#64.121.103.144%20(now%20StarshipSLS)%20and%20CIR%20issues|Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents - Wikipedia]]. When you respond, please <nowiki>{{mention}}</nowiki> me. [[User:StarshipSLS|Starship SLS (formerly IP 64.121.103.144)]] ([[User talk:StarshipSLS|talk]]) 18:38, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

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== Mentoring ==

Hello,
I'm hoping to publish an article and am interested in being taken on as a mentee or adoptee. Are you adopting this year?
Thanks! [[User:Nellas Galadhon|Nellas Galadhon]] ([[User talk:Nellas Galadhon|talk]]) 22:06, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
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== Adoption ==

Hi I am new to Wilipedia and I would like a mentor. I need a mentor so much I don't know how does this mentor thing work. [[User:Otaku Anonymous|Otaku Anonymous]] ([[User talk:Otaku Anonymous|talk]]) 17:10, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

== Adoption ==

Hi I am new to Wilipedia and I would like a mentor. I need a mentor so much I don't know how does this mentor thing work. [[User:Otaku Anonymous|Otaku Anonymous]] ([[User talk:Otaku Anonymous|talk]]) 17:10, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

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'''Backlog update:''' The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to {{no ping|Schminnte}}, who led with over 2,300 points.
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[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 16:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Instead of edit warring there, just look at the talk page and it would be easy for you to realize that we got a [[WP:1AM]] unwilling to leave [[WP:DEADHORSE]]. [[User:Azuredivay|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay|talk]]) 10:35, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
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:Hi Azuredivay, I am not entirely sure what you mean by this. Are you saying that there is one stubborn editor removing this content repeatedly? Also, I wasn't trying to edit-war; I just made that edit because I was reading the article and noticed that the section I saw a previous time I read it had been removed. Thank you, <b>[[User:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#E68A00;">Passenger</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#4C6680;">pigeon</span>]] ([[User talk:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:grey;">talk</span>]])</b> 13:00, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

::Single user who is repeatedly adding poorly written synthesis even after being described by multiple users about the problems with his content. That's all. [[User:Azuredivay|Azuredivay]] ([[User talk:Azuredivay|talk]]) 13:51, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

:::[[User:Azuredivay|Azuredivay]] Please post your concerns on the talk page where I've been engaged over multiple months. There has been no reply on my last comment for more than a month. Instead of voicing your concerns there, you chose to revert my edit without any discussion.[[User:Coo1k|coolk]] ([[User talk:Coo1k|talk]]) 19:05, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


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== Maximilian Dood ==
== Mentorship ==


Hi, i would like to be mentored by you. [[User:CosmicRiter|CosmicRiter]] ([[User talk:CosmicRiter|talk]]) 17:55, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Hey, thank you so much for turning my [[Maximilian Dood]] draft into an actual article! I was going to submit it via AfC, but I appreciate you saving me the time (and anxiety) of waiting for someone to review it! [[User:PantheonRadiance|PantheonRadiance]] ([[User talk:PantheonRadiance|talk]]) 05:41, 13 November 2021 (UTC)


== LTA case page ==
*No problem; I sometimes move drafts straight into article space without waiting for the submission template if I can see that they're already good enough to be articles. Also, your account is now autoconfirmed, which means you can create articles directly without using draftspace first. Thank you, <b>[[User:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#E68A00;">Passenger</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#4C6680;">pigeon</span>]] ([[User talk:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:grey;">talk</span>]])</b> 13:59, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:Do guys think [[SSSniperWolf]] has a chance? It was salted. [[Special:Contributions/221.155.34.5|221.155.34.5]] ([[User talk:221.155.34.5|talk]]) 11:32, 14 November 2021 (UTC)


Hi. To save me searching for it, would you mind pointing me to the diff that supports [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/Gabriella~four.3-6&diff=next&oldid=1222461923 this]? Am also doubtful about its relevance. All the best. - [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 04:39, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
== Please mentor me ==
:Nvm, Seems like the origin is [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gabriella~four.3-6&diff=prev&oldid=587334378 this]? Am not convinced that this has sufficient relevance to be included on the case page, but as a compromise I've reworded the sentence to reflect their post rather than speculation on wider mental issues. Happy to discuss. -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 05:23, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::Sorry for the late reply; yes, that's what I was referring to, but I read it a long time ago and had trouble finding it again. <b>[[User:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#E68A00;">Passenger</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#4C6680;">pigeon</span>]] ([[User talk:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:grey;">talk</span>]])</b> 21:27, 25 September 2024 (UTC)


== Chinese mountain chickadee ==
Hello. I have recently gotten a topic ban and would like someone to mentor me. Would you please do that? [[Special:Contributions/Chicdat|🐔]]&nbsp;[[User:Chicdat|Chicdat]]&nbsp;&nbsp;''<sup style="font-family:Times New Roman">[[User talk:Chicdat|Bawk to me!]]</sup>'' 11:15, 18 November 2021 (UTC)


Hi. Where did you find “[[Chinese mountain chickadee]]” being used as an alternative common name for ''Poecile superciliosus''? Thanks, [[User talk:Cremastra|<span style="font-family:'Gill Sans';">''Cremastra''</span>]] ([[User:Cremastra|u]] — [[Special:Contribs/Cremastra|c]]) 15:04, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
*Sure. I have created a page at [[User:Chicdat/Adoption school]]. Let me know when you have finished some of the questions and I will mark them. <b>[[User:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#E68A00;">Passenger</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#4C6680;">pigeon</span>]] ([[User talk:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:grey;">talk</span>]])</b> 13:28, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
**I've finished the "Cleanup" section. [[Special:Contributions/Chicdat|🐔]]&nbsp;[[User:Chicdat|Chicdat]]&nbsp;&nbsp;''<sup style="font-family:Times New Roman">[[User talk:Chicdat|Bawk to me!]]</sup>'' 12:40, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
::*{{ping|Chicdat}} I realise now that the adoption quiz may be a bit beginnerish considering you have been here a while and that you might have been seeking a different form of mentoring; what did you have in mind? Of course, you're welcome to continue the quiz if you want. <b>[[User:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#E68A00;">Passenger</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#4C6680;">pigeon</span>]] ([[User talk:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:grey;">talk</span>]])</b> 15:37, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
::** Correct; I've already been in one mentorship program, so I've done reliable sources, [[User talk:MarioJump83/Adopt|but just when I was about to take the "Administrative involvement" section, my mentor retired]]. Perhaps I could skip to Deletion? [[Special:Contributions/Chicdat|🐔]]&nbsp;[[User:Chicdat|Chicdat]]&nbsp;&nbsp;''<sup style="font-family:Times New Roman">[[User talk:Chicdat|Bawk to me!]]</sup>'' 11:18, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
:::** {{ping|Chicdat}} Good idea. <b>[[User:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#E68A00;">Passenger</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#4C6680;">pigeon</span>]] ([[User talk:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:grey;">talk</span>]])</b> 21:30, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
{{od}} I've done all but one of the CSD problems (I have no idea on one of them). [[Special:Contributions/Chicdat|🐔]]&nbsp;[[User:Chicdat|Chicdat]]&nbsp;&nbsp;''<sup style="font-family:Times New Roman">[[User talk:Chicdat|Bawk to me!]]</sup>'' 12:49, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
*{{ping|Chicdat}} I will mark them now. Please link the pages you cleaned up in the Cleanup section. Thanks for persevering, <b>[[User:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#E68A00;">Passenger</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#4C6680;">pigeon</span>]] ([[User talk:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:grey;">talk</span>]])</b> 13:24, 21 November 2021 (UTC) Edit: Oh, never mind, turns out you already did - I created the page [[User:Chicdat/Adoption school]] but you used [[User:Chicdat/Adoption School]] instead.
** I was just following the Your First Task instructions. [[Special:Contributions/Chicdat|🐔]]&nbsp;[[User:Chicdat|Chicdat]]&nbsp;&nbsp;''<sup style="font-family:Times New Roman">[[User talk:Chicdat|Bawk to me!]]</sup>'' 13:31, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
*** {{ping|Chicdat}} I have marked the Deletion section. Please retry questions 2, 3 and 4. <b>[[User:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#E68A00;">Passenger</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#4C6680;">pigeon</span>]] ([[User talk:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:grey;">talk</span>]])</b> 14:39, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
**** Retried, and I got them right the 2nd time. [[Special:Contributions/Chicdat|🐔]]&nbsp;[[User:Chicdat|Chicdat]]&nbsp;&nbsp;''<sup style="font-family:Times New Roman">[[User talk:Chicdat|Bawk to me!]]</sup>'' 12:05, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
{{od}} I get the impression the block and everything sort of ended the adoption, which is all right. I learned a bit about CSD, thank you. [[User:Chicdat|🐔dat]] ([[User talk:Chicdat|talk]]) 11:49, 19 December 2021 (UTC)


:@[[User:Cremastra|Cremastra]] I created the redirect because of the line in the article that said it was sometimes considered a subspecies of the mountain chickadee. On second thought, perhaps the name isn't common enough to warrant a redirect. <b>[[User:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#E68A00;">Passenger</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#4C6680;">pigeon</span>]] ([[User talk:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:grey;">talk</span>]])</b> 15:05, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
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::I think to warrant a redirect, it would have to be actually used somewhere as a common name, which I'm not seeing. [[User talk:Cremastra|<span style="font-family:'Gill Sans';">''Cremastra''</span>]] ([[User:Cremastra|u]] — [[Special:Contribs/Cremastra|c]]) 15:08, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Cremastra}} Good point; I have tagged it for deletion. Perhaps I should have redirected [[Poecile gambeli superciliosus]] (the Latin name if it is treated as a subspecies) instead. <b>[[User:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#E68A00;">Passenger</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#4C6680;">pigeon</span>]] ([[User talk:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:grey;">talk</span>]])</b> 15:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)


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Hi Passengerpigeon -- Thanks for patrolling -- I've declined your U5 request on [[User:DrPaulRosenfeld/sandbox]] because it is clearly an attempt at an article draft, and while notability isn't currently demonstrated, it is at least ''possible'' under [[WP:PROF]]. Until we decide to prohibit autobiographies, rather than just strongly deprecating them, that is never a reason for deletion alone. I also declined your G11 on [[Draft:GazipurShaheen Cadet Academy]] because the promotion was restricted to two paragraphs that could easily be removed. Regards,
Hi Passengerpigeon! Would you like to adopt me? I started editing in late January. Since joining I have done recent changes patrolling. In doing so, I would notice issues with certain articles and I would stick around to see if I can help a bit more; examples:
*[[Nicolas Schöffer]] – investigated the cause for a problematic addition ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Nicolas_Sch%C3%B6ffer&oldid=1069724219 revision]) by a good-faith editor ([[User talk:Mirabella#Under construction|link]]), and nominated the page that turned out to be the cause of the problem for deletion ([[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Article under Construction|MfD discussion]], ongoing);
*[[Nawab Mir Khudrath Nawaz Jung Bahadur]] – helped remove original research, put up cleanup templates, and did some work on this questionable article;
*[[Holly Williams (Australian journalist)]] – tried to mitigate the effects of an editor insisting on various poor changes. At a certain point, I reported them for edit warring ([[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive447#User:173.66.134.81 reported by User:Twsabin (Result: Semi)|link]]) which led to the article being protected;
*[[Draft:Laura Lott]] - tried to mitigate the effects of a paid editor giving the draft a promotional character, when I feel that it could be a normal draft/article on a notable topic (but maybe I'm wrong!);
Most of my edits in mainspace have been reverts of vandalism. I have nominated around ten pages for speedy deletion. In one such instance, I made a mistake ([[User talk:Twsabin/Archive 1#Speedy tagging|link]])


I understand; I tagged the sandbox for U5 in that case because of a combination of tone (it read strongly like a resume), its autobiographical nature, and the fact that the author hadn't contributed to Wikipedia outside of writing it. <b>[[User:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#E68A00;">Passenger</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:#4C6680;">pigeon</span>]] ([[User talk:Passengerpigeon|<span style="color:grey;">talk</span>]])</b> 14:21, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
So that's me thus far, in a nutshell. When looking at the [[Wikipedia:Task Center|Task Center]] I realize that I haven't even scratched the surface. However, I'm still mostly interested in recent changes patrolling, and want to stay focused on this for a decent period of time. Maybe I will only be doing this type of maintenance work on Wikipedia. I don't have any ideas for new articles, but I enjoy editing a lot. I want to feel confident that my edits benefit the project, so I can contribute more systematically. Of all the currently available adopters you seem like the one who is probably the most focused on recent changes patrolling and anti-vandalism efforts, which is why I decided to message you. I really hope that you will take me on. Sincerely, [[User talk:Twsabin|tw<sup>s</sup>abin]] 22:50, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

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Hi, i would like to be mentored by you. CosmicRiter (talk) 17:55, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi. To save me searching for it, would you mind pointing me to the diff that supports this? Am also doubtful about its relevance. All the best. - Euryalus (talk) 04:39, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nvm, Seems like the origin is this? Am not convinced that this has sufficient relevance to be included on the case page, but as a compromise I've reworded the sentence to reflect their post rather than speculation on wider mental issues. Happy to discuss. -- Euryalus (talk) 05:23, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for the late reply; yes, that's what I was referring to, but I read it a long time ago and had trouble finding it again. Passengerpigeon (talk) 21:27, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi. Where did you find “Chinese mountain chickadee” being used as an alternative common name for Poecile superciliosus? Thanks, Cremastra (uc) 15:04, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cremastra I created the redirect because of the line in the article that said it was sometimes considered a subspecies of the mountain chickadee. On second thought, perhaps the name isn't common enough to warrant a redirect. Passengerpigeon (talk) 15:05, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think to warrant a redirect, it would have to be actually used somewhere as a common name, which I'm not seeing. Cremastra (uc) 15:08, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cremastra: Good point; I have tagged it for deletion. Perhaps I should have redirected Poecile gambeli superciliosus (the Latin name if it is treated as a subspecies) instead. Passengerpigeon (talk) 15:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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the middle word isn't mentioned at the target page. add it to the infobox with a ref please

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The redirect Canada bunting has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 28 § Canada bunting until a consensus is reached. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:08, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Passengerpigeon -- Thanks for patrolling -- I've declined your U5 request on User:DrPaulRosenfeld/sandbox because it is clearly an attempt at an article draft, and while notability isn't currently demonstrated, it is at least possible under WP:PROF. Until we decide to prohibit autobiographies, rather than just strongly deprecating them, that is never a reason for deletion alone. I also declined your G11 on Draft:GazipurShaheen Cadet Academy because the promotion was restricted to two paragraphs that could easily be removed. Regards,

I understand; I tagged the sandbox for U5 in that case because of a combination of tone (it read strongly like a resume), its autobiographical nature, and the fact that the author hadn't contributed to Wikipedia outside of writing it. Passengerpigeon (talk) 14:21, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]