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==Bio==
Someone from Slovenia keeps deleting the fact that Luka Doncic is of Serbian origin. I have supported it with 4 references, so stop him from deceiving people. Luka is a Serb, playing for Slovenia, be happy with it and live with it. Deception will not lead you anywhere. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Serbov1|Serbov1]] ([[User talk:Serbov1#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Serbov1|contribs]]) 07:58, 14 September 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Dončićevi baba i deda po ocu su sa Kosova, došli su u Sloveniju na rad gde se rodio njegov otac Saša. U karijeri je igrao za gotovo sve vodeće slovenačke klubove, jednu sezonu proveo je u Slogi iz Kraljeva, pokušao u Crvenoj zvezdi početkom 90-tih godina ali se vratio u Sloveniju gde je dugo igrao kao stranac uporkos činjenici da je rodjen u ovoj zemlji. Paternal grandparents of Luka Doncic are Serbs who came to Slovenia from Kosovo, where his father Saša was born. He was considered a foreigner in Slovenia for a long time, despite of being born in that country. So, obviously, his father is Serbian born in Slovenia! As a result- Luka too is of Serbian origin. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Serbov1|Serbov1]] ([[User talk:Serbov1#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Serbov1|contribs]]) 17:24, 14 September 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: Exactly, his grandparents from his father's side come from Serbia, as mentioned in the personal life section. And this is enough. On the other hand, there are people, where it makes sense to mention other countries in the first sentence, take for example [[Jakov Fak]], where it is highly relevant that he is a Croatian-born Slovenian sportsperson. I hope that helps. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 17:38, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
::I rearranged his "Personal life" section in what I believe is appropriate and projects a [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|Neutral point of view]], with everything being sourced and referenced (if someone disagrees then post your argument below): ''Dončić was born in Ljubljana, Slovenia, to Saša Dončić, a former professional basketball player and Slovenian international and Mirjam Poterbin, a hairdresser, former model and dancer, and owner of a prestigious beauty salon in Ljubljana's inner circle. He is of Serbian and Slovenian descent. His father's side of the family hails from the village of Biča, near Klina. Dončić's parents filed for divorce in 2008, with custody and legal guardianship being granted to his mother. His godfather is former NBA player Rasho Nesterović. Dončić is a fan of Red Star Belgrade basketball club.'' Regards, [[User:Ratipok|Ratipok]] ([[User talk:Ratipok|talk]]) 23:08, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a place for facts not feelings. All information should be presented factually and accurately and should not serve the agenda of the individual. Sources should be taken into account to form a true statement of luka's nationality. It is clear after research that Luka is not only of Serbian ethnicity but he speaks the language. He is close with the country and it is a well known fact the he is a Slovenian Serb. His father is undoubtedly also a Slovenian Serb. It should be changed the the appropriate state it was before where it said he was Slovenian and Serbian. [[User:Matejam14|Matejam14]] ([[User talk:Matejam14|talk]]) 12:22, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Matejam14}} As you said, "Wikipedia is a place for facts not feelings". And what you wrote afterwards is all about the feelings. :) [[User:IndexAccount|IndexAccount]] ([[User talk:IndexAccount|talk]]) 17:10, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Nationality is defined by the right to hold citizenship, thus, by definition, luka's nationality is Serbian as he was eligible to play for the Serbian national team. There is no negative to showing that he is Serbian. If there is for you then that should not get in the way of what is accurate. Returning his bio to its original state would be more accurate. Many before me have provided a lot more evidence as well <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Matejam14|Matejam14]] ([[User talk:Matejam14#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Matejam14|contribs]]) 23:35, 14 January 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Born in Slovenia, plays for the Slovenian national team = Slovenian is correct. [[User:Kante4|Kante4]] ([[User talk:Kante4|talk]]) 15:30, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


==Eurobasket==
==Eurobasket==
Please add this sentence to the section Slovenian National Team: In 2017, he helped Slovenia win the title at the European Championships. Or open it for editing.
Please add this sentence to the section Slovenian National Team: In 2017, he helped Slovenia win the title at the European Championships. Or open it for editing.


== Listed Height ==
== Achivements ==

We have four different sources (ACB, EuroBasket, EuroLeague and Real Madrid) listing four different heights for Dončić. Besides, he is 19, he may well be still growing a bit. So just let it go, stop editing his height in the infobox. We'll soon have a fifth source (NBA), probably listing something different.--[[User:Gorpik|Gorpik]] ([[User talk:Gorpik|talk]]) 08:12, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
:He's 6-8 but for some reason NBA lists him at 6-6, which is what his height was listed at in Europe at age 16. NBA has some very strange ways of listing heights for players from Europe. They often don't measure European players, then take their listed height from age 16, not their current height. Really odd, but they do it all the time. The 6-6 listing is obviously absolutely ridiculous though.[[User:Bluesangrel|Bluesangrel]] ([[User talk:Bluesangrel|talk]]) 02:19, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
::Why 6'8"? Most sources from last year list him at 6'7" (2.01m, if you prefer), including his previous club. Being 19, he may have grown a bit during the last year, as I said before; but I have seen no reliable sources listing him as 6'8".--[[User:Gorpik|Gorpik]] ([[User talk:Gorpik|talk]]) 06:47, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
:::The infobox displays "Listed height", so it's pretty straight-forward to use what his current club lists, 6'6".[http://www.nba.com/teams/mavericks] This is the NBA project's practice per [[WP:NBAHEIGHT]]. It would be better to just expand on his height at [[Luka Dončić#Player profile]]. This [https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nba/dallas-mavericks/article213636124.html ''Star-Telegram'' article] says he's usually listed at 6'7", but also mentions 6'8" and 6'9". [[Height in sports#Basketball]] mentions many reasons why listed NBA heights vary.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 10:30, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
::::The fact that he has so many different heights out there tells me that what goes in the "listed height" field should be his "listed height" with his current team, the Mavericks. His profile may be updated when the season starts, often some new measurements for the season come out around training camp. [[User:Rikster2|Rikster2]] ([[User talk:Rikster2|talk]]) 12:02, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
:It's the same problem with Georgios Papagiannis, he was listed at 7-2 in Europe, and Greek federation even said they measured him at 7-2 1/4 barefoot, yet in NBA he was listed at 7-1, his height from high school. Never did they update it, and in fact listed him at 7-2 in summer league, but still 7-1 on the team page and nba.com page. He signed back in Europe, and immediately he is listed by his team at 7-2...yet still listed at "7-1 in shoes" by NBA. There are other such examples for European players, that they list some strange height like 2 inches shorter than the actual height. It's very strange and odd. Sometimes they do like With Giannis Antetokounmpo - he was measured at over 6-10 in Greece by his team, then at 6-11 by Greek federation after that...NBA came along and claimed he was 6-9 months after that but "still growing". Then he plays in Greece over the summer, listed at 6-10 barefoot...NBA still claims he was 6-9 "but growing", and then suddenly the next season he was listed at 6-11 in shoes by NBA. It's like some kind of strange marketing gimmick or something.[[User:Bluesangrel|Bluesangrel]] ([[User talk:Bluesangrel|talk]]) 03:56, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
::Strange indeed. Since it's difficult to determine which height is "right", it's consistent to use what their current team lists. If it's a [[WP:DUE|big enough topic]], explain it more in prose.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 04:16, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
::Both Mavs website and NBA website list him at 6-7, so it should state that and I changed it to that on the article. However, in a media article it was stated the Mavs measured him at 6-8 at the start of their training camp. So again the NBA listings make no sense. Furthering the point about Papagiannis, EuroLeague stated he was measured at 7-3 and officially lists his height at 7-3, again what Greek federation had said 2 years ago, yet NBA still listed him at 7-1.[[User:Bluesangrel|Bluesangrel]] ([[User talk:Bluesangrel|talk]]) 20:34, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

== Current Club ==


Luka Doncic has made 4 All Star Teams, and made 4 All NBA Teams. Luka Doncic is regarded as one of the greates European basketball players of all time. He is on pace to become one of the greatest basketball players in the world. Especially after Lebron said that Luka Doncic is better than him in the 2022-2023 season. [[User:Jazzy28648|Jazzy28648]] ([[User talk:Jazzy28648|talk]]) 03:39, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
Dončić has been drafted and his NBA rights belong to Dallas Mavericks. He has shown an inclination to play for them. That's OK. But he has not yet signed a contract, so his current club is still Real Madrid. There are tons of drafted players who did not end up playing for the club that held their NBA rights. So, please, stop trying to update his current club until he signs a contract with the Mavs.--[[User:Gorpik|Gorpik]] ([[User talk:Gorpik|talk]]) 12:02, 29 June 2018 (UTC)


:He is one of the greatest PLAYERS, not just euros [[Special:Contributions/71.200.16.180|71.200.16.180]] ([[User talk:71.200.16.180|talk]]) 02:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


== Achievements - 2024 Magic Johnson NBA Conference Finals MVP should be added ==
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Doncic was the Western Conference Finals MVP this year. I believe this is an achievement that absolutely should be added to his accolades chart. I know it's a newer trophy but it's still noteworthy achievement and no small feat, especially considering that probably reflects his finest year as an NBA player. [[User:SpotifyGreaterThanAppleMusic|SpotifyGreaterThanAppleMusic]] ([[User talk:SpotifyGreaterThanAppleMusic|talk]]) 17:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
==Awards==
There was no reason to remove all the awards, especially giving the reason they all appeared in the article, because they do not actually all appear in the article. Also, to list everything only in the infobox can create an enormously long list, considering he's 19 and already has more awards than most players retire with.[[User:Bluesangrel|Bluesangrel]] ([[User talk:Bluesangrel|talk]]) 03:49, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
:Well, for a start, the section was completely unreferenced which would not have passed a GA review so an editor made the decision to remove the section which was agreed upon by the editor who had taken over the review. Plus, are youth awards even notable? Are we really listing awards at under-13 level? [[User:Kosack|Kosack]] ([[User talk:Kosack|talk]]) 04:47, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
::Not sure if the [[WP:WEIGHT]] is comparable to high school in the US, but [[LeBron_James#Awards_and_honors]] lists some. I'd at least want them to be mentioned by an independent, reliable source in something other than a stats listing.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 05:04, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Basketball really isn't my area of expertise, so in terms of standard layouts, I'm open to any consensus that can be reached. Football articles, which I mainly deal with, generally avoid the inclusion of youth awards however in American sports I'm aware that college and such is considered quite notable. However, I would say that the majority of LeBron's have actual articles to link to which would signify the notability of those awards where as none of the ones here actually do. Also the youngest I can see of LeBron's would appear to be at 16 years of age? The majority would seem to be older than that too. [[User:Kosack|Kosack]] ([[User talk:Kosack|talk]]) 05:54, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
::::I won't get into US specifics here, as it's irrelevant to Doncic. My point is simply that there is not necessarily an age cutoff on awards. However, based on the above points that you and I have raised, the [[WP:ONUS]] is on editors to gain consensus to include. We don't just include things because they are true.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 13:50, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::Indeed, I agree with you completely. Assuming they can all be sourced, which was the rationale given for deletion in the first place, it comes down largely to notability of the awards which is quite questionable at those age levels. [[User:Kosack|Kosack]] ([[User talk:Kosack|talk]]) 14:22, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


:Yeah. I think it needs to be added. It is only three years in existence but it holds as an achievement for each conference. West and East. Please kindly add it. Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/175.32.102.127|175.32.102.127]] ([[User talk:175.32.102.127|talk]]) 13:29, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
==Details==
The article is to detailed. You don't need to write about every game. Way too much. [[User:Kante4|Kante4]] ([[User talk:Kante4|talk]]) 05:24, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
:{{re|Kante4}} Only his most notable games of the season are included, not every one. You can remove any details that you think aren't necessary. [[User:Runningibis|Runningibis]] ([[User talk:Runningibis|talk]]) 20:22, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


== Discrepancy ==
== Comparing Luka to european players that have nothing in common with him ==


In his 5-games to end 2022, Basketball-Reference.com shows that he "only" scored 228 points, not the 250 points that the media recorded. [[Special:Contributions/2601:600:A402:9CF0:21B5:D34D:9863:DD2E|2601:600:A402:9CF0:21B5:D34D:9863:DD2E]] ([[User talk:2601:600:A402:9CF0:21B5:D34D:9863:DD2E|talk]]) 18:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
I get the fact that most people can't get beyond the fact that Luka is european and white, but at least have better sourcing than articles that basically read, ''oh... slavic european name, he must be the reincarnation of slavic european players, all of them! Despite previous players playing in different positions and having different play styles.'' [[User:SWAGnificient|SWAGnificient]] ([[User talk:SWAGnificient|talk]]) 10:42, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 18:28, 1 December 2024

Good articleLuka Dončić has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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Eurobasket

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Please add this sentence to the section Slovenian National Team: In 2017, he helped Slovenia win the title at the European Championships. Or open it for editing.

Achivements

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Luka Doncic has made 4 All Star Teams, and made 4 All NBA Teams. Luka Doncic is regarded as one of the greates European basketball players of all time. He is on pace to become one of the greatest basketball players in the world. Especially after Lebron said that Luka Doncic is better than him in the 2022-2023 season. Jazzy28648 (talk) 03:39, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He is one of the greatest PLAYERS, not just euros 71.200.16.180 (talk) 02:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Achievements - 2024 Magic Johnson NBA Conference Finals MVP should be added

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Doncic was the Western Conference Finals MVP this year. I believe this is an achievement that absolutely should be added to his accolades chart. I know it's a newer trophy but it's still noteworthy achievement and no small feat, especially considering that probably reflects his finest year as an NBA player. SpotifyGreaterThanAppleMusic (talk) 17:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. I think it needs to be added. It is only three years in existence but it holds as an achievement for each conference. West and East. Please kindly add it. Thanks. 175.32.102.127 (talk) 13:29, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discrepancy

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In his 5-games to end 2022, Basketball-Reference.com shows that he "only" scored 228 points, not the 250 points that the media recorded. 2601:600:A402:9CF0:21B5:D34D:9863:DD2E (talk) 18:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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