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== Show the Artwork for the Dark Alliance Series ==
== Suicide ==

Everyone knows he was killed by the CIA <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2601:540:C000:7B59:25E8:63CA:E31D:E195|2601:540:C000:7B59:25E8:63CA:E31D:E195]] ([[User talk:2601:540:C000:7B59:25E8:63CA:E31D:E195|talk]]) 11:49, 19 January 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Many people would not agree: his wife, his children, his biographer, and most of his friends have said they think he killed himself. To put your claim into the article, you need to come up with a reliable source (WP:RS will describe what that is). Without RS, the article will not incorporate your claim, unless/until Wikipedia abandons this policy. [[User:Rgr09|Rgr09]] ([[User talk:Rgr09|talk]]) 16:28, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:What [[User:Rgr09|Rgr09]] said^^^... An anonymous posting on a Wikipedia page is insufficient referencing for something everyone supposedly knows... [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 17:17, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


It was "controversial" and "removed" by the paper. That makes it noteworthy, and it should be included in this Article. His paper might have been censored, but Wikipedia is not, and the absence of this graphic is noticeable, particularly given the circumstances and rumors of his death.
:Many things that 'everyone knows' aren't reference in what Wikipedia determines as "Reliable Sources", which is generally the mainstream media. If the New York Times had published an article claiming he was killed by the CIA then it would be included in wWikipedia. But we all know that won't happen don't we? [[Special:Contributions/81.151.27.22|81.151.27.22]] ([[User talk:81.151.27.22|talk]]) 01:51, 25 June 2016 (UTC)


It was not censored or controversial because it was false, it was removed because it was TRUE. It should not also be absent from this Article, and for the same reason.
Most people know that 9/11 is an inside job, but mainstream media wouldn't admit it for obvious reasons. So it will always remain a conspiracy theory... Gary Webb's suicide is the "offcial" version of his death. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.137.19.201|72.137.19.201]] ([[User talk:72.137.19.201|talk]]) 03:02, 30 July 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:You changed the article to say that Webb was shot twice in the back of the head. Who says so? How do you know this? The autopsy, as reported in multiple newspaper stories cited in the article, found that Webb placed a gun next to his right ear, and fired twice. He was not shot in the back of the head. [[User:Rgr09|Rgr09]] ([[User talk:Rgr09|talk]]) 13:11, 30 July 2016 (UTC)


''"The website artwork showed the silhouette of a man smoking a crack pipe superimposed over the CIA seal."''
Wikipedia should simply state the undisputed facts. Webb died December 10, 2004, with two gunshot wounds to the head, and his death was ruled a suicide. This isn't the place to solve the debate about whether his death *actually was* suicide or not. [[Special:Contributions/174.17.79.52|174.17.79.52]] ([[User talk:174.17.79.52|talk]]) 22:19, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
:The article clearly says the facts you mention in the section on his death. Saying it was anything other than suicide (in the intro) is clearly trying to suggest an idea that was rejected by his own family.[[User:Rja13ww33|Rja13ww33]] ([[User talk:Rja13ww33|talk]]) 05:00, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
::The intro does not state it was anything other than a suicide. It states the known facts. Stating simply "Webb committed suicide" is clearly trying to dismiss the controversy.[[Special:Contributions/174.17.79.52|174.17.79.52]] ([[User talk:174.17.79.52|talk]]) 18:10, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


[[Special:Contributions/2603:8081:3A00:414A:3C79:55E:B074:23B7|2603:8081:3A00:414A:3C79:55E:B074:23B7]] ([[User talk:2603:8081:3A00:414A:3C79:55E:B074:23B7|talk]]) 22:39, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
== Maxine Waters quote ==


An editor has added a quote from Maxine Waters in the legacy section. I have to ask: is this appropriate? Her views have already been captured elsewhere and she is hardly objective (for a variety of reasons including the fact she wrote the foreword to Dark Alliance).[[User:Rja13ww33|Rja13ww33]] ([[User talk:Rja13ww33|talk]]) 17:43, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
:Not sure if it is copyrighted or not....but if not, it may be worth including.[[User:Rja13ww33|Rja13ww33]] ([[User talk:Rja13ww33|talk]]) 23:10, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


== Webb and the SJMN Pulitzer ==
== Complete Absence of Any "Lede" ==


I may be wrong, but as a years-long and frequent User of Wikipedia, my understanding of the function of the Lede is to provide a brief overview of the entire Article, so as to "invite the Reader to continue reading the Article", and for the most part, most Articles follow this format and function, however this Article does not, for. some. reason. Noticing patterns, and the absence thereof, is a thing.
The San Jose Mercury News won the Pulitzer award for general news reporting in 1990. The award was to "the staff of the San Jose Mercury News" for "its detailed coverage of the October 17, 1989, Bay Area earthquake and its aftermath." Pulitzer staff awards are not unusual; the Washington Post and New York Times have received a number of these. These awards do not credit individual reporters, though they are based on specific articles by specific reporters.


Webb supposedly committed suicide, by shooting himself in the head, twice. Twice.
Everyone who has written on Webb's career acknowledges that Webb's work played a role in the 1990 Pulitzer award to the SJMN, mostly citing the article mentioned in the text on the Cypress Viaduct collapse, which Webb wrote with Pete Carey. For instance, in Nick Schou's biography of Webb, [[Kill the Messenger (Schou book)|Kill the Messenger]], Schou writes that "Together, Carey and Webb exposed how bureaucratic delays in retrofitting local 'highways' had contributed to the earthquake disaster. Their work helped result in the paper's Pulitzer for team reporting that year" (Schou 57). This is a fair, balanced description of Webb's contribution to the SJMN award.


You'd think that a Wikipedia Article that follows standard format and protocols would put that fact about his life (and death) prominently in the Lede, and yet for. some. reason. this Article does NOT. I wonder to what extent the CIA is involved in the editing of Wikipedia Articles, such as this one.[[Special:Contributions/70.94.140.138|70.94.140.138]] ([[User talk:70.94.140.138|talk]]) 13:43, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
In general, Wikipedia does not credit specific reporters with Pulitzer awards for their contributions to staff awards. One prominent example is Bob Woodward, who was lead reporter on the Washington Post's coverage of 9/11. The Post staff won the National Reporting Pulitzer for their coverage, and Woodward's role in mentioned in the Wikipedia article on Woodward, but his infobox does not list a Pulitzer award. In fact, if Woodward were to list a Pulitzer for each staff award the Post has received since he got there, he would have at least three.


Since the 1990 Pulitzer was a staff award, and since general Wikipedia practice is as noted above, I have reverted the specific claim to ''Webb'' winning the Pulitzer in the lead. Webb's ''contribution'' to the SJMN Pulitzer is acknowledged in the second paragraph of the article. Please comment here if you think the wording in the lead needs changing. [[User:Rgr09|Rgr09]] ([[User talk:Rgr09|talk]]) 03:28, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
:If your issue is the fact we don't mention the double shot suicide in the LEAD....I don't see the problem. The LEAD rarely rehashes every detail in the article. We go into that later on within the article.[[User:Rja13ww33|Rja13ww33]] ([[User talk:Rja13ww33|talk]]) 18:18, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 18:18, 2 December 2024

Show the Artwork for the Dark Alliance Series

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It was "controversial" and "removed" by the paper. That makes it noteworthy, and it should be included in this Article. His paper might have been censored, but Wikipedia is not, and the absence of this graphic is noticeable, particularly given the circumstances and rumors of his death.

It was not censored or controversial because it was false, it was removed because it was TRUE. It should not also be absent from this Article, and for the same reason.

"The website artwork showed the silhouette of a man smoking a crack pipe superimposed over the CIA seal."

2603:8081:3A00:414A:3C79:55E:B074:23B7 (talk) 22:39, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure if it is copyrighted or not....but if not, it may be worth including.Rja13ww33 (talk) 23:10, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Complete Absence of Any "Lede"

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I may be wrong, but as a years-long and frequent User of Wikipedia, my understanding of the function of the Lede is to provide a brief overview of the entire Article, so as to "invite the Reader to continue reading the Article", and for the most part, most Articles follow this format and function, however this Article does not, for. some. reason. Noticing patterns, and the absence thereof, is a thing.

Webb supposedly committed suicide, by shooting himself in the head, twice. Twice.

You'd think that a Wikipedia Article that follows standard format and protocols would put that fact about his life (and death) prominently in the Lede, and yet for. some. reason. this Article does NOT. I wonder to what extent the CIA is involved in the editing of Wikipedia Articles, such as this one.70.94.140.138 (talk) 13:43, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If your issue is the fact we don't mention the double shot suicide in the LEAD....I don't see the problem. The LEAD rarely rehashes every detail in the article. We go into that later on within the article.Rja13ww33 (talk) 18:18, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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