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== Is bundles.bittorrent.com is 'a download site which is prohibited and promotes copyright infringement'? == |
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== the BitTorrent entry is perfectly fine - please don't dumb it down ! == |
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it's a really good article - it's clear and precise ! |
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I completely agree, it's perfect how it is. Provides precise information, but simple enough for people with no CS background. [[User:Jakesyl|Jakesyl]] ([[User talk:Jakesyl|talk]]) 22:42, 3 September 2015 (UTC) |
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I support that. If only all articles were written like this one! As the years have gone by, it might need an update to the current state of things. Thanks in advance. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/80.218.24.67|80.218.24.67]] ([[User talk:80.218.24.67|talk]]) 10:45, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== "sequential downloading" section requested! == |
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I am talking about certain torrent clients ability to download a small chunk of the file and making that available for consumption (viewing, listening, etc) while more chunks are downloaded, essentially allowing the client to act as if the content was streamed. |
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I browsed the article but could not find anything on this. I therefore propose that a knowledgeable editor adds a small new section discussing this capability that torrent clients can have. If you object "this isn't part of the torrent specification" then at the very least, add a mention and a link onwards to a dedicated article. |
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Please note: I am certainly no expert and I'm not even sure what to call this feature. Please improve mercilessly :) |
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Am I misunderstanding the essence of [[BitTorrent_(company)#BitTorrent_Bundle]]? Please see this (attempt at a) discussion over whether we can/should link to Madonna's bundle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:IndianBio#Accusations_about_personal_behavior_that_lack_evidence_are_considered_personal_attacks... It's hard to deal with someone who thinks users are uploadable to a website. <sic> And conflates protocols, domains and hostnames. And seems to be saying we need to delete [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_(company)#External_links this page section]! --[[Special:Contributions/50.201.195.170|50.201.195.170]] ([[User talk:50.201.195.170|talk]]) 06:28, 14 August 2018 (UTC) |
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== bittorrent.com malware == |
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I think we could add that, although it may not be a good idea in this article. Some bitTorrent clients have a lot of features, others have the bare minimum. Where should we draw the line? [[User:Jakesyl|Jakesyl]] ([[User talk:Jakesyl|talk]]) 22:43, 3 September 2015 (UTC) |
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If you install the Bittorrent Web, your PC will be riddled with bloat ware, malware, web browser extensions installed, search engine changed, etc. Beware. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2601:600:9500:3180:BC17:E90:56BC:5C8E|2601:600:9500:3180:BC17:E90:56BC:5C8E]] ([[User talk:2601:600:9500:3180:BC17:E90:56BC:5C8E#top|talk]]) 06:01, 6 December 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== POV problems == |
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== Update last paragraph of summary == |
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This article currently has POV problems. For example, the Adoption section does not mention ''anywhere'' that BitTorrent has also been adopted for copyright infringement. Although BitTorrent does have many legitimate uses (I've used it for legal downloads myself), there are studies (e.g. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2010/07/only-03-of-files-on-bit-torrent-confirmed-to-be-legal/ ) (maybe there is a more up-to-date one somewhere) showing that a majority-vast majority of downloads are infringing). |
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Are there any news stats for "As of 2013, BitTorrent has 15–27 million, concurrent users, at any time." seen on the last paragraph of the article summary? BitTorrent has expanded probably exponentially like the rest of the internet in those 7 years. [[User:DannyDouble|DannyDouble]] ([[User talk:DannyDouble|talk]]) 21:19, 5 September 2020 (UTC) |
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It's totally appropriate to mention the legal uses, but having an Adoption section and lead not mentioning copyright infringement is like having an article on tanks without mentioning war. Relegating this to a "Legal issues" section is not adequate. [[User:Mattflaschen|Mattflaschen]] - [[User_talk:Mattflaschen|Talk]] 19:59, 25 December 2015 (UTC) |
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== Disputing claim that bittorrent generated Internet traffic, with 2.46% of down, and 27.58% of up traffic == |
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In first section is mentioned that ''In 2019, BitTorrent was a dominant file sharing protocol and generated a substantial amount of Internet traffic, with 2.46% of downstream, and 27.58% of upstream traffic'' I would like to dispute this on those reasons: |
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As I don't see any obvious reason why up and down traffic should be not equivalent (remember each date that you send, you're sending it to somebody so what's on your side upstream is on receiving side downstream). |
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I think it is sufficient to have the legal issue only, cause the article is about the technology, the protocol. So the adoption section provides the information on more or less different implementations of the protocol/service. Your point that "is like having an article on tanks without mentioning war" is thereby not valid cause it is not about tanks it is more about the steel, engine and other parts that is used to make tanks. I dont think i need to include world war II in every article about engines. Of-course this protocol has some controversy but there is a legal issue section which is more than enough. i think there are plenty of articles in wikipedia that specially addresses the copyright infringement issues regarding peer to peer protocols. so no need to further intensify the matter. [[User:Nibir2011|Nibir2011]] ([[User talk:Nibir2011|talk]]) 18:08, 4 January 2016 (UTC) |
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After checking referenced article "doi:10.1002/cpe.5723" I found that article itself is not about this subject but rather about energy consumption of BiTtorent network, |
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They are mentioning original statement in introduction page, but not as part of their study. And they are referencing ''The Global Internet Phenomena Report, Sandvine; 2019.'' as source for that information. |
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For that last reference, I wasn't able to get hand on that so I wasn't able to verify if it's mentioned there and how they get that number. |
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Hello fellow Wikipedians, |
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I have just added archive links to {{plural:1|one external link|1 external links}} on [[BitTorrent]]. Please take a moment to review [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=698310335 my edit]. If necessary, add {{tlx|cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{tlx|nobots|deny{{=}}InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes: |
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*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20131204002125/http://www.theguardian.com/technology/pda/2011/aug/09/bittorrent-piracy to http://www.theguardian.com/technology/pda/2011/aug/09/bittorrent-piracy |
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: The obvious reason that an identical upload and download rate would result in significant differences in percentage share is that the vast, vast majority of Internet traffic is downloads; Web servers are not considered to be uploading their bytes every time. Most Web users never upload anything; their upstream consists solely of GET requests, unless they're sending email, or playing a game, or using chat software. |
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: BitTorrent accounts for a significant amount of downloads, but it's competing against all other downstream traffic for its share. There are far fewer competing upload categories. The remainder is almost surely entirely other P2P or high-bandwith duplex activities like video calls. |
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: [[User:Thumperward|Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward)]] ([[User talk:Thumperward|talk]]) 18:20, 13 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:Sandvine is the source for all these claims, indeed. The problem is it now says it is just 4% upstream and not even on mobile networks. Also, they probably do not have high enough visability on this anyway. As for your confusion about upstream and downstream, it is a famous rule that when you download something on bittorrent you should stay on the upload as long as possible. So the difference is not at all surprising. [[User:Valery Zapolodov|Valery Zapolodov]] ([[User talk:Valery Zapolodov|talk]]) 10:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Requested merge 30 September 2024 == |
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I propose the merging of [[Torrent file]] into here BitTorrent. There's not much of a reason for it to be fractured and separate from here. On a side note, that article is also very lacking in references as it is. [[User:Sceeegt|Sceeegt]] ([[User talk:Sceeegt|talk]]) 00:07, 30 September 2024 (UTC) |
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Is bundles.bittorrent.com is 'a download site which is prohibited and promotes copyright infringement'?
[edit]Am I misunderstanding the essence of BitTorrent_(company)#BitTorrent_Bundle? Please see this (attempt at a) discussion over whether we can/should link to Madonna's bundle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:IndianBio#Accusations_about_personal_behavior_that_lack_evidence_are_considered_personal_attacks... It's hard to deal with someone who thinks users are uploadable to a website. <sic> And conflates protocols, domains and hostnames. And seems to be saying we need to delete this page section! --50.201.195.170 (talk) 06:28, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
bittorrent.com malware
[edit]If you install the Bittorrent Web, your PC will be riddled with bloat ware, malware, web browser extensions installed, search engine changed, etc. Beware. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:9500:3180:BC17:E90:56BC:5C8E (talk) 06:01, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Update last paragraph of summary
[edit]Are there any news stats for "As of 2013, BitTorrent has 15–27 million, concurrent users, at any time." seen on the last paragraph of the article summary? BitTorrent has expanded probably exponentially like the rest of the internet in those 7 years. DannyDouble (talk) 21:19, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
Disputing claim that bittorrent generated Internet traffic, with 2.46% of down, and 27.58% of up traffic
[edit]In first section is mentioned that In 2019, BitTorrent was a dominant file sharing protocol and generated a substantial amount of Internet traffic, with 2.46% of downstream, and 27.58% of upstream traffic I would like to dispute this on those reasons:
As I don't see any obvious reason why up and down traffic should be not equivalent (remember each date that you send, you're sending it to somebody so what's on your side upstream is on receiving side downstream).
After checking referenced article "doi:10.1002/cpe.5723" I found that article itself is not about this subject but rather about energy consumption of BiTtorent network, They are mentioning original statement in introduction page, but not as part of their study. And they are referencing The Global Internet Phenomena Report, Sandvine; 2019. as source for that information.
For that last reference, I wasn't able to get hand on that so I wasn't able to verify if it's mentioned there and how they get that number.
Burlak23 (talk) 19:46, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- The obvious reason that an identical upload and download rate would result in significant differences in percentage share is that the vast, vast majority of Internet traffic is downloads; Web servers are not considered to be uploading their bytes every time. Most Web users never upload anything; their upstream consists solely of GET requests, unless they're sending email, or playing a game, or using chat software.
- BitTorrent accounts for a significant amount of downloads, but it's competing against all other downstream traffic for its share. There are far fewer competing upload categories. The remainder is almost surely entirely other P2P or high-bandwith duplex activities like video calls.
- Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 18:20, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- Sandvine is the source for all these claims, indeed. The problem is it now says it is just 4% upstream and not even on mobile networks. Also, they probably do not have high enough visability on this anyway. As for your confusion about upstream and downstream, it is a famous rule that when you download something on bittorrent you should stay on the upload as long as possible. So the difference is not at all surprising. Valery Zapolodov (talk) 10:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
Requested merge 30 September 2024
[edit]I propose the merging of Torrent file into here BitTorrent. There's not much of a reason for it to be fractured and separate from here. On a side note, that article is also very lacking in references as it is. Sceeegt (talk) 00:07, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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