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== [[Traditional ecological knowledge]] and [[traditional knowledge]] discussion at [[WP:FTN]] == |
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[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is [[Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Traditional_ecological_knowledge|a thread]] at the [[WP:FTN|Fringe Theories Noticeboard]] about the articles [[traditional ecological knowledge]] and [[traditional knowledge]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Please consider joining the discussion. [[User:Hydrangeans|Hydrangeans]] ([[She (pronoun)|she/her]] | [[User talk:Hydrangeans#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Hydrangeans|edits]]) 00:48, 24 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Hi folks. This is a great WikiProject with a lot of potential. However, one thing holding it back appears to be a lack of organization. I have a couple of ideas to address that |
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:WOW people are being so awful. Sad that this is even up for discussion. [[User:PersusjCP|PersusjCP]] ([[User talk:PersusjCP|talk]]) 03:36, 24 October 2024 (UTC) |
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1) Place this WikiProject's template on the talk page of every article that under the purview of a WikiProject whose domain is potentially subject to systemic bias. For starters, almost every article under the purview of the WikiProjects listed on this project page should have the template added. |
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2) Create an assessment process, like the one found at the home page of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Philosophy|WikiProject Philosophy]] and many other projects. This would make it easier to keep track of what articles are under the purview of our WikiProject, and it would help editors find things to work on. [[User:Pecopteris|Pecopteris]] ([[User talk:Pecopteris|talk]]) 19:02, 4 June 2024 (UTC) |
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[[File:Information icon4.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Talk:Head of state]] regarding representation of countries in the lead photograph of the article. The thread is [[Talk:Head of state#NPOV|NPOV]]. Thank you.<!--Template:Discussion notice--> [[User:GeebaKhap|GeebaKhap]] ([[User talk:GeebaKhap|talk]]) 14:05, 7 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Wikipedia institutional bias and Covid-19 == |
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There is a conflict of interest when the scientific establishment itself is the subject of an article. Many topics about COVID-19, for example, the [[COVID-19 lab leak theory]] and [[COVID-19 lockdowns#Protests|COVID-19_lockdowns#Protests]], challenge the biomedical and public health authorities themselves, which creates the possibility of a conflict of interest in the sources that are saying these hypotheses are lacking evidence. |
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[https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/2201473X.2024.2358697 Wikipedia's Indian problem: settler colonial erasure of native American knowledge and history on the world's largest encyclopedia] [[User:Pecopteris|Pecopteris]] ([[User talk:Pecopteris|talk]]) 02:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:The paper claims "Freoh was banned from editing, and Wikipedia administrators blocked their account from contributing to Wikipedia beyond their own talk page. It is one of the best examples of editor erasure." Freoh was never banned from editing, nor from contributing beyond their own talk page. If that is one of the best examples, I am not confident in the rest of the paper. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:45, 6 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::Not that I care or know who [[User:Froeh]] is, but: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=User%3AFreoh&type=block |
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::I'm going to move my above comment to a new section because I would like to improve editing for Indigenous editors [[User:Yuchitown|Yuchitown]] ([[User talk:Yuchitown|talk]]) 02:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::That link supports exactly what I stated. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 02:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::::The block log says Freoh is blocked indefinitely. This seems like the opposite of {{Green|"Freoh was never banned from editing."}} But again, I don't know this person or their situation. [[User:Yuchitown|Yuchitown]] ([[User talk:Yuchitown|talk]]) 03:06, 6 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::The restrictions applied only to the Wikipedia namespace and the user talk space. They did and do not limit any of the actual article editing. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC) |
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OK, so there is no evidence in prestigious peer-reviewed journals. But those are the same institutions that benefit from the prevailing narrative due to their reliance on governments and drug companies who fund their research and refuse to allow certain investigations to be conducted. |
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== Related WikiProjects == |
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On the "Related WikiProjects and regional noticeboards", on this WikiProject's page, can I add [[WP:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America]] and [[WP:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of the Americas]]? [[User:Yuchitown|Yuchitown]] ([[User talk:Yuchitown|talk]]) 03:35, 5 June 2024 (UTC) |
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Furthermore, there is a social pressure within the scientific community to not question the public health authority's recommendations due to the perception of an emergency that requires uniform compliance in order to save lives. |
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:That would be great, @[[User:Yuchitown|Yuchitown]]! Thank you! [[User:Pecopteris|Pecopteris]] ([[User talk:Pecopteris|talk]]) 03:37, 5 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::Done, thanks! [[User:Yuchitown|Yuchitown]] ([[User talk:Yuchitown|talk]]) 03:41, 5 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::It's great that there's at least one other person besides me who wants to work on this project! I want to see it lively and active again! There's plenty to do. [[User:Pecopteris|Pecopteris]] ([[User talk:Pecopteris|talk]]) 03:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::::[[User:Bohemian Baltimore]] edits a wide range of topics, not just Indigenous topics, so they might be interested as well. [[User:Yuchitown|Yuchitown]] ([[User talk:Yuchitown|talk]]) 03:56, 5 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Yes, it would be great if @[[User:Bohemian Baltimore|Bohemian Baltimore]] joined this WikiProject and got involved! Looks like it would be right up their alley. [[User:Pecopteris|Pecopteris]] ([[User talk:Pecopteris|talk]]) 05:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC) |
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The politicalization of public health measures, including mask mandates and lockdowns, led to skepticism of dissenting voices, which were sometimes perceived as politically motivated or conspiratorial. |
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Publication bias occurs when research that aligns with the prevailing consensus is more likely to be published, while studies that challenge the mainstream narrative may be overlooked or rejected. Even well-credentialed scientists who challenge the mainstream view may struggle to have their work disseminated and may be dismissed by the public as dissenters or even conspiracists. |
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== How to improve Wikipedia for Indigenous editors of the Americas? == |
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I'm unsure of what the solutions might be I've seen [[Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine)]]. I don't know if it would be possible to create similar essays (seems like essay first, to possibly become a guideline in future years with a less actively hostile climate), such as [[Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (Indigenous peoples of North America)]]. Feminist scholars championed the practice of citing women authors; don't know if this practice is mentioned anywhere in Wikipedia protocols. [[User:Yuchitown|Yuchitown]] ([[User talk:Yuchitown|talk]]) 18:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC) |
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Scientific opinions that diverge from the official viewpoint are often perceived as politically motivated, which further reduce their acceptance in the mainstream. |
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:@[[User:Yuchitown|Yuchitown]], perhaps a [[List of Indigenous newspapers in North America]] could be created and a discussion of these sources reliability could ensue? Below are some sources (sorry no links yet, will try to add them soon). |
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:*[[Indian Country Today]] (an enterprise of the [[Oneida Nation]] of New York, covers the Indigenous world, including American Indians, Alaska Natives and First Nations) |
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:*Ak-Chin O'odham Runner (Ak-Chin Indian Community, Maricopa, Arizona) |
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:*Bacone Indian and the Baconian (Bacone College, Muskogee, Oklahoma) |
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:*[[Cherokee Phoenix]] (Cherokee Advocate) and Cherokee Voices (Tahlequah, Oklahoma) |
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:*Hocak Worak (Ho-Chunk Nation, Black River Falls, Wisconsin) |
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:*Hopi Action News (Hopi Tribe in Hopitutskwa, Arizona) |
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:*Native Nevadan (Inter-Tribal Council of Nevada) |
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:*[[Navajo Times]] (Window Rock, Arizona) |
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:*[[Osage News]] (Pawhuska, Oklahoma) |
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:*Rawhide Press (Spokane Tribe, City of Spokane, Washington) |
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:*Win Awenen Nisitotung (Sault Ste. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians, Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan) |
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:*[[The Eastern Door]] (Kahnawake (Mohawk), Canada) |
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:*[[Native News Online]] (A subsidiary of Indian Country Media) |
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:*ICT ([[IndiJ Public Media]]) (Founded as the Lakota Times newspaper) |
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:*[[Tribal Business News]] (A subsidiary of Indian Country Media) |
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:*[[National Native News]] (Koahnic Broadcasting Corp., Albuquerque) |
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:*Indianz.com |
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:*[[KSUT]] radio (primarily Southern Ute, Navajo, Jicarilla Nations of Northern New Mexico, as well as the Ute Mountain Ute Tribe of Southwest Colorado) |
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:*The Native Press (Independent news organization) |
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:*[[Native Public Media]] (a network of 57 Native radio stations and 4 television stations) |
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:*The Southern Ute Drum (Southern Ute Tribe, Colorado, New Mexico) |
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:*[[Aboriginal Multi-Media Society|Windspeaker]] (owned by the Aboriginal Multi-Media Society of Alberta.) |
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:*[[News from Native California]] (multi-tribal quarterly magazine) |
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:*First Nations Drum newspaper (Canada's largest Indigenous newspaper) |
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:*[[Indian Country Today|Lakota Times]] (Pine Ridge Reservation, South Dakota) |
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:*Gila River Indian News (Gila River Indian Community, Arizona) |
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:*O'odham Action News (Salt River Pima-Maricopa Indian Community) |
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:[[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]] ([[User talk:Netherzone|talk]]) 04:31, 6 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::This is amazing! You are brilliant! [[User:Yuchitown|Yuchitown]] ([[User talk:Yuchitown|talk]]) 14:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::There are many more, these are just what I could easily find on Google. Some of the above already have WP articles, so that will be a good place to start a List-article which can be linked at the IPNA project as well. [[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]] ([[User talk:Netherzone|talk]]) 15:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::A few more, mostly from Canada: |
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:*[[Turtle Island News]] (based out of the Grand River Territory of the Six Nations) |
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:*[[APTN National News]] (Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada) and [[Aboriginal Peoples Television Network|APTN]] (Aboriginal People's Television Network) |
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:*CBC Indigenous (latest news and current affairs from Indigenous communities across Canada, an affiliate of [[CBC News|CBC]] news, radio, television) |
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:*[[Aboriginal Multi-Media Society]] (AMMSA), Canada |
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:*Anishinabek News (monthly community newspaper is produced by the Communications Unit of the Anishinabek Nation at the head office in Nipissing First Nation) |
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:*The Discourse (ommunity-powered journalism to underserved communities, including Indigenous communities in British Columbia) |
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:*Ha-Shilth-Sa (Canada's oldest First Nation's Newspaper, and is the "newspaper of record" of the Nuu-chah-nulth people, published by the Nuu-chah-nulth Tribal Council, West Coast Vancouver Island) |
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:*Ku'ku'kwes (news website dedicated to covering Indigenous news in Atlantic Canada) |
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:*[[Northern News Services Limited]] (news aggregator published by Northern News Services, including [[Northwest Territories News/North|Northwest Territories News]], Nunavut News, the [[Yellowknifer]]) |
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:* [[Nunatsiaq News]] (newspaper of record for Nunavut and the Nunavik territory of Quebec) |
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:*[[Two Row Times|The Two Row Times]] (news publication, Ontario Indigenous peoples as well as Haudenosaunee peoples of the US) |
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:*TVO Indigenous, (a subsidiary of Television Ontario) |
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:*Wawatay News (published in both English and Indigenous languages of northern Ontario, including Ojibway, Oji-Cree, and Cree) |
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:* [[Muskrat Magazine]] (online Indigenous arts and culture magazine) |
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:*The Nation Magazine (not the same as The Nation published in the US. This one is an independent Indigenous news source serving the Cree of James Bay, including Northern Quebec and Ontario) |
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:*Tusaayaksat Magazine (news for the Inuvialuit People with a focus on arts, culture, and history) |
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:*[[The Tyee]] (online news magazine from British Columbia focused on the West Coast from Alaska to Northern California |
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:*The Circle (newspaper with an Indigenous perspective based in Minneapolis) |
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The dominance of institutional bias, media influence, and the politicization of the COVID-19 pandemic created an environment where alternative perspectives were less likely to be incorporated into the mainstream narrative. |
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::There are others that no longer publish like the Métis Voyager, newsletter of the Métis Nation of Ontario, the Saskatchewan Sage. I saw a lot of these on various university library websites in both the US and Canada. When I find the time will also check Mexico and other regions/countries of North America (altho my Spanish isn't great...). [[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]] ([[User talk:Netherzone|talk]]) 16:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Also found this on WP [[List of Indigenous periodicals in Canada]], that could be useful as can many categories already in existence that could be mined for additional publication and news sources): Category:First Nations newspapers, Category:First Nations magazines, Category:Native American magazines, Category:Native American newspapers, Category:Defunct Native American newspapers, Category:First Nations mass media, Category:Indigenous mass media in Canada, Category:Indigenous mass media, Category: Native American radio, Category:Navajo mass media, etc! - [[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]] ([[User talk:Netherzone|talk]]) 16:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::::OK, I've started [[List of Indigenous newspapers in North America]]. Please feel free to contribute and improve, as there are many more than those listed. When I find the time I will do a [[List of Indigenous magazines and journals in North America]], and maybe also a [[List of Indigenous media in North America]] for TV, radio and podcasts. [[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]] ([[User talk:Netherzone|talk]]) 03:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Wow, this is awesome! I love this WikiProject! [[User:Pecopteris|Pecopteris]] ([[User talk:Pecopteris|talk]]) 03:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC) {{outdent}} |
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I have just created two userspace drafts [[User:Netherzone/List of Indigenous magazines and academic journals in North America]] and [[User:Netherzone/List of Indigenous media, TV, radio and podcasts in North America]]. (The titles of which of course can change if these aren't quite right). Please contribute to these drafts! [[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]] ([[User talk:Netherzone|talk]]) 15:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC) |
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Key health organizations, such as the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), shaped the public discourse, often marginalizing dissenting views. This institutional authority, coupled with the widespread media reliance on these organizations for guidance, led to the amplification of the prevailing narrative while sidelining other perspectives. |
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Furthermore, the media’s framing of certain issues, including vaccine efficacy and the severity of the pandemic, often reinforced the consensus view and downplayed criticism or alternative theories. |
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I was told this is a good place to go to focus on systemic bias on Wikipedia. What can I do to get started? [[User:Chesslover96|Chesslover96]] ([[User talk:Chesslover96|talk]]) 06:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC) |
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As a result, despite valid concerns raised by biomedical professionals, these factors collectively limited the visibility and influence of alternative viewpoints on COVID-19. [[User:Lardlegwarmers|Lardlegwarmers]] ([[User talk:Lardlegwarmers|talk]]) 10:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Enhanced interrogation techniques listed at Requested moves
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Traditional ecological knowledge and traditional knowledge discussion at WP:FTN
[edit]There is a thread at the Fringe Theories Noticeboard about the articles traditional ecological knowledge and traditional knowledge that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Please consider joining the discussion. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 00:48, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- WOW people are being so awful. Sad that this is even up for discussion. PersusjCP (talk) 03:36, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Talk:Head of state regarding representation of countries in the lead photograph of the article. The thread is NPOV. Thank you. GeebaKhap (talk) 14:05, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia institutional bias and Covid-19
[edit]There is a conflict of interest when the scientific establishment itself is the subject of an article. Many topics about COVID-19, for example, the COVID-19 lab leak theory and COVID-19_lockdowns#Protests, challenge the biomedical and public health authorities themselves, which creates the possibility of a conflict of interest in the sources that are saying these hypotheses are lacking evidence.
OK, so there is no evidence in prestigious peer-reviewed journals. But those are the same institutions that benefit from the prevailing narrative due to their reliance on governments and drug companies who fund their research and refuse to allow certain investigations to be conducted.
Furthermore, there is a social pressure within the scientific community to not question the public health authority's recommendations due to the perception of an emergency that requires uniform compliance in order to save lives.
The politicalization of public health measures, including mask mandates and lockdowns, led to skepticism of dissenting voices, which were sometimes perceived as politically motivated or conspiratorial.
Publication bias occurs when research that aligns with the prevailing consensus is more likely to be published, while studies that challenge the mainstream narrative may be overlooked or rejected. Even well-credentialed scientists who challenge the mainstream view may struggle to have their work disseminated and may be dismissed by the public as dissenters or even conspiracists.
Scientific opinions that diverge from the official viewpoint are often perceived as politically motivated, which further reduce their acceptance in the mainstream.
The dominance of institutional bias, media influence, and the politicization of the COVID-19 pandemic created an environment where alternative perspectives were less likely to be incorporated into the mainstream narrative.
Key health organizations, such as the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), shaped the public discourse, often marginalizing dissenting views. This institutional authority, coupled with the widespread media reliance on these organizations for guidance, led to the amplification of the prevailing narrative while sidelining other perspectives.
Furthermore, the media’s framing of certain issues, including vaccine efficacy and the severity of the pandemic, often reinforced the consensus view and downplayed criticism or alternative theories.
As a result, despite valid concerns raised by biomedical professionals, these factors collectively limited the visibility and influence of alternative viewpoints on COVID-19. Lardlegwarmers (talk) 10:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)