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For an archive of some of the discussion that led to this project, see [[Wikipedia:CROSSBOW]]. -- [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] 20:44, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC) |
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== [[:Enhanced interrogation techniques]] listed at Requested moves== |
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[[:Image:Crossbow_diagram.png]]: I don't really care about the outdated ''name'' of this, but the image itself needs to be altered to remove the word "CROSSBOW" (in "Area targetted by CROSSBOW": should just be "Area targetted"). Can someone take this on? I'd really like to see this already dealt with before we publicly announce this as a WikiProject. -- [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] 23:21, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC) |
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[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]]A [[Wikipedia:Requested moves|requested move]] discussion has been initiated for [[:Enhanced interrogation techniques]] to be moved to [[Use of torture under George W. Bush]]. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion [[Talk:Enhanced interrogation techniques#Requested move 26 September 2024|here]].<!-- Talk:Enhanced interrogation techniques#Requested move 26 September 2024 crosspost --> —[[User:RMCD bot|RMCD bot]] 07:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== [[Traditional ecological knowledge]] and [[traditional knowledge]] discussion at [[WP:FTN]] == |
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:I hope this isn't a controversial idea, but can we just abandon the image -- I just don't like the whole idea of a "weapon" "targetting" certain deficient areas as a metaphor for improving Wikipedia. Thanks, [[User:Bcorr|BCorr]]<font color=chartreuse>|</font>[[User talk:Bcorr|Брайен]] 00:15, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC) |
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[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is [[Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Traditional_ecological_knowledge|a thread]] at the [[WP:FTN|Fringe Theories Noticeboard]] about the articles [[traditional ecological knowledge]] and [[traditional knowledge]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Please consider joining the discussion. [[User:Hydrangeans|Hydrangeans]] ([[She (pronoun)|she/her]] | [[User talk:Hydrangeans#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Hydrangeans|edits]]) 00:48, 24 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::I agree though could there be another image somewhere to break the text up? That's perhaps a more controversial idea than getting rid of this one... -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham ☺]] | [[User talk:Francs2000|Talk]] 00:20, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC) |
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:WOW people are being so awful. Sad that this is even up for discussion. [[User:PersusjCP|PersusjCP]] ([[User talk:PersusjCP|talk]]) 03:36, 24 October 2024 (UTC) |
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As far as I'm concerned, feel free to do whatever. The same Venn diagram minus the military metaphor would be fine by me, but so would all sorts of things. And if someone can identify some ''appropriate'' existing images to add, please go for it. -- [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] 00:50, Oct 5, 2004 (UTC) |
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[[File:Information icon4.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Talk:Head of state]] regarding representation of countries in the lead photograph of the article. The thread is [[Talk:Head of state#NPOV|NPOV]]. Thank you.<!--Template:Discussion notice--> [[User:GeebaKhap|GeebaKhap]] ([[User talk:GeebaKhap|talk]]) 14:05, 7 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Wikipedia institutional bias and Covid-19 == |
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I've taken the liberty of deleting from the list of the concerns of this project the phrase "Subjects which would normally be longer in other encyclopaedias." It's awfully vague, and I don't think it's useful. I've added one remark, reminding people that there already is a [[Wikipedia:Requests for expansion]]. -- [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] 00:02, Oct 5, 2004 (UTC) |
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There is a conflict of interest when the scientific establishment itself is the subject of an article. Many topics about COVID-19, for example, the [[COVID-19 lab leak theory]] and [[COVID-19 lockdowns#Protests|COVID-19_lockdowns#Protests]], challenge the biomedical and public health authorities themselves, which creates the possibility of a conflict of interest in the sources that are saying these hypotheses are lacking evidence. |
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OK, so there is no evidence in prestigious peer-reviewed journals. But those are the same institutions that benefit from the prevailing narrative due to their reliance on governments and drug companies who fund their research and refuse to allow certain investigations to be conducted. |
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I've done about what I can to set this up as a project. My inclination is to give about 48 hours for comments and revisions by the other people who have been actively involved in this, then announce it on the Village Pump, link it into the list of WikiProjects, maybe even add it to the template on maintenance tasks (what do people think of this last possibility)? |
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Furthermore, there is a social pressure within the scientific community to not question the public health authority's recommendations due to the perception of an emergency that requires uniform compliance in order to save lives. |
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Anyway, I've put most of today into putting this together. It's time for someone else to weigh in. -- [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] 00:48, Oct 5, 2004 (UTC) |
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The politicalization of public health measures, including mask mandates and lockdowns, led to skepticism of dissenting voices, which were sometimes perceived as politically motivated or conspiratorial. |
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== "Third World" == |
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Publication bias occurs when research that aligns with the prevailing consensus is more likely to be published, while studies that challenge the mainstream narrative may be overlooked or rejected. Even well-credentialed scientists who challenge the mainstream view may struggle to have their work disseminated and may be dismissed by the public as dissenters or even conspiracists. |
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Can I just point out that the term "Third World" is very US/Euro-centric and is frowned upon by globalist organisations/academics. Alternatives include "The South", "Majority World" and "Developing World"; can we agree on standard alternative to use, please? -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham ☺]] | [[User talk:Francs2000|Talk]] 00:51, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC) |
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Scientific opinions that diverge from the official viewpoint are often perceived as politically motivated, which further reduce their acceptance in the mainstream. |
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:"Developing world" is a good alternative. [[User:Poccil|[[User:Poccil|Peter O.]] ([[User Talk:Poccil|Talk]])]] 03:03, Oct 5, 2004 (UTC) |
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The dominance of institutional bias, media influence, and the politicization of the COVID-19 pandemic created an environment where alternative perspectives were less likely to be incorporated into the mainstream narrative. |
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== When is a to-do article done enough? == |
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Key health organizations, such as the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), shaped the public discourse, often marginalizing dissenting views. This institutional authority, coupled with the widespread media reliance on these organizations for guidance, led to the amplification of the prevailing narrative while sidelining other perspectives. |
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Thrilled to see this as an official project. Kudos to the organizers!! |
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Furthermore, the media’s framing of certain issues, including vaccine efficacy and the severity of the pandemic, often reinforced the consensus view and downplayed criticism or alternative theories. |
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I'm working, bit by bit, to improve [[Smith College]]. It is by no means done, but I'm pleased to report it is no longer a stub with an unannotated list of alumnae. :) What I'm wondering is, how will we decide when it's good enough to come off of our to-do list here? And how should I indicate that when/if we do? |
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As a result, despite valid concerns raised by biomedical professionals, these factors collectively limited the visibility and influence of alternative viewpoints on COVID-19. [[User:Lardlegwarmers|Lardlegwarmers]] ([[User talk:Lardlegwarmers|talk]]) 10:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC) |
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I will probably dig into [[Spelman College]] next if nobody beats me to it. —[[User:Bsktcase|Bsktcase]] 02:32, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC) |
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:I think we need some way to monitor what we are doing, e.g. stub to article, stub created, featured article status. :[[User:ChrisG|ChrisG]] 04:11, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC) |
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:I'm hoping the comments area next to each article on the project page will help with this. We'll probably want to "rotate" what gets put on the shorter to-do list. If someone wants to suggest some "canonical" statuses for the comments section (as I did for [[Wikipedia:translation]]) that would be great. -- [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] 05:55, Oct 5, 2004 (UTC) |
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Traditional ecological knowledge and traditional knowledge discussion at WP:FTN
There is a thread at the Fringe Theories Noticeboard about the articles traditional ecological knowledge and traditional knowledge that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Please consider joining the discussion. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 00:48, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- WOW people are being so awful. Sad that this is even up for discussion. PersusjCP (talk) 03:36, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Talk:Head of state regarding representation of countries in the lead photograph of the article. The thread is NPOV. Thank you. GeebaKhap (talk) 14:05, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia institutional bias and Covid-19
There is a conflict of interest when the scientific establishment itself is the subject of an article. Many topics about COVID-19, for example, the COVID-19 lab leak theory and COVID-19_lockdowns#Protests, challenge the biomedical and public health authorities themselves, which creates the possibility of a conflict of interest in the sources that are saying these hypotheses are lacking evidence.
OK, so there is no evidence in prestigious peer-reviewed journals. But those are the same institutions that benefit from the prevailing narrative due to their reliance on governments and drug companies who fund their research and refuse to allow certain investigations to be conducted.
Furthermore, there is a social pressure within the scientific community to not question the public health authority's recommendations due to the perception of an emergency that requires uniform compliance in order to save lives.
The politicalization of public health measures, including mask mandates and lockdowns, led to skepticism of dissenting voices, which were sometimes perceived as politically motivated or conspiratorial.
Publication bias occurs when research that aligns with the prevailing consensus is more likely to be published, while studies that challenge the mainstream narrative may be overlooked or rejected. Even well-credentialed scientists who challenge the mainstream view may struggle to have their work disseminated and may be dismissed by the public as dissenters or even conspiracists.
Scientific opinions that diverge from the official viewpoint are often perceived as politically motivated, which further reduce their acceptance in the mainstream.
The dominance of institutional bias, media influence, and the politicization of the COVID-19 pandemic created an environment where alternative perspectives were less likely to be incorporated into the mainstream narrative.
Key health organizations, such as the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), shaped the public discourse, often marginalizing dissenting views. This institutional authority, coupled with the widespread media reliance on these organizations for guidance, led to the amplification of the prevailing narrative while sidelining other perspectives.
Furthermore, the media’s framing of certain issues, including vaccine efficacy and the severity of the pandemic, often reinforced the consensus view and downplayed criticism or alternative theories.
As a result, despite valid concerns raised by biomedical professionals, these factors collectively limited the visibility and influence of alternative viewpoints on COVID-19. Lardlegwarmers (talk) 10:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)