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== Image ==
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From Austin, Texas: http://austin.craigslist.org/rnr/209754888.html
From Austin, Texas: http://austin.craigslist.org/rnr/209754888.html


== Taxbox image ==
== Fossil record ==


I find it strange that the infobox says Theraphosidae originated as late as the Neogene, especially without citing a source. Many families of spiders are considerably older. I have in my head that Theraphosidae date back at least to the Carboniferous but know no reliable source. The Fossil record section of the article claims that fossils of mygalomorph spiders date back to the Triassic, with two specimens convincingly assigned to the Theraphosidae, but also cites no source. [[User:Shinryuu|Shinryuu]] ([[User talk:Shinryuu|talk]]) 13:25, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
{{u|Peter coxhead}}, I brought back the image and left out the caption so we don't have to worry about species identification. I think this image is better because it is of featured quality, with a non-distracting background and fairly plain colored. This is what the average person think of when they hear "tarantula". The images you proposed are too flashly colored. [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 19:48, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|Shinryuu}} [https://wsc.nmbe.ch/resources/fossils/Fossils23.5.pdf This] normally very reliable source says on p. 144 "Cretaceous – Recent", but when you look at the three species, they are all labelled "Ne" for Neogene.
::{{ping|Shinryuu}} Actually, there's an error in the line for ''Protertheraphosa spinipes'' in this source. If you look in the References section on p. 324, "Wunderlich, J. 2020b" is a paper with the title "New and already described fossil spiders (Araneae) of 20 families in mid and late Cretaceous Burmese amber with notes on spider phylogeny, evolution and classification". The paper is online [http://www.joergwunderlich.de/Downloads/Beitr._Araneol._Band_13_(2020).pdf here]; the species description for ''Protertheraphosa spinipes'' starts on p. 44. It's clear that Dunlop et al. should say "K Burmese amber" not "Ne Dominican amber". So we can say that currently the earliest known fossil member of the Theraphosidae is ''Protertheraphosa spinipes'', dated to the Cretaceous. [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 17:11, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
:::I've updated the article. [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 17:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
::::Great, that seems to make more sense, thank you very much! Now someone should probably tell Dunlop et al. ;-) [[User:Shinryuu|Shinryuu]] ([[User talk:Shinryuu|talk]]) 21:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Shinryuu}} I have e-mailed the World Spider Catalog. [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 09:20, 29 March 2024 (UTC)


== Jumping Spider Mistake ==
:The image in a taxobox should be of a clearly identified species belonging to the taxon in question. [[:File:Brachypelma vagans p1.jpg]] was used previously. It's supposed to be ''[[Tliltocatl vagans]]'' (syn. ''Brachypelma vagans''), but the definitive account which defined the genus describes this species as having reddish hairs on the abdomen, and has photos (on p. 136) which show this,<ref name=MendFran20>{{Citation |last=Mendoza |first=Jorge |last2=Francke |first2=Oscar |year=2020 |title=Systematic revision of Mexican threatened tarantulas ''Brachypelma'' (Araneae: Theraphosidae: Theraphosinae), with a description of a new genus, and implications on the conservation |journal=Zoological Journal of the Linnean Society |volume=188 |issue=1 |pages=82-147 |doi=10.1093/zoolinnean/zlz046 |lastauthoramp=yes }}</ref> unlike this image. So although it's a good image, it's probably not correctly identified.
:I think the Mexican redlegged tarantulas are very well known – they are often kept as pets. However, I don't care what image is used, so long as it is of a clearly identified species belonging to the family. [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 19:56, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
::I think image quality is more important. [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 19:58, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
:::In an article about a group of organisms, the identity of the organism is of paramount importance. This is an encyclopedia article not a photo gallery. [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 20:00, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
:::The image you have put back is not as good, because its identity is not clear; ''B. hamorii'' and ''B. smithii'' have long been confused. Could we agree on [[:File:Theraphosa blondi MHNT.jpg]]? ''Theraphosa'' is the type genus of the family, so is an obvious choice for an image. It's also a very clear image. [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 20:06, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
::::I don't think the average person cares about the species in an introduction picture. But away, can't we find someone to identify the species of the other image? [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 22:33, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
::::{{ping|LittleJerry}} I doubt the "average person" is seriously interested in tarantulas, but those who are deserve accuracy. Most spiders cannot be identified accurately from photographs; this is particularly so for ones without clear external markings, like [[:File:Brachypelma vagans p1.jpg]]. Identification of spiders depends largely on a study of their genitalia. All we can do with a photograph is to try to make sure that it at least matches the description in a reliable source. [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 05:31, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
:::::I put the Tliltocatl vagans image back. It appears that it's rump doesn't look as red because it doesn't have as many hairs. In fact if you zoom in, you can see that the few hairs they do have are the same color as [[:File:Brachypelma vaganis.jpg]] and [[:File:Brachypelma vagans adult.jpg]]. I think we can trust {{u|Cvmontuy}} to have identified the right species. [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 01:12, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::The spider on [[:File:Brachypelma vagans p1.jpg]] was the pet of my son, in Mexico is very common to have this species as a pet, and its color changes a lot during the year, this picture is from the same pet but on different date [[:File:Brachypelma vagans AfterMoulting 160601.png]], regards, --[[User:Cvmontuy|Cvmontuy]] ([[User talk:Cvmontuy|talk]]) 01:50, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::Also the species appears to be [https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Color-polymorphism-found-in-the-different-populations-of-Brachypelma-vagans-2A-and-2A_fig2_258512003 polymorphic]. [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 01:25, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
::::::Sure, but I still think it's confusing for most readers to see a caption "red rump tarantula" and an image without a red rump, so I've reverted. I'm happy to discuss further. [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 09:35, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::How about just having the specific name? I actually think it does look like it has a red rump when you look at it from the taxbox. [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 20:51, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
{{outdent}}The image that is there now is a "featured image" in Commons, so I really don't see why you want to change it. What's wrong with it? [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 06:16, 18 April 2021 (UTC)


The Jumping Spiders Are Not Tarantulas so remove That Bad Link! [[Special:Contributions/2001:1308:265B:3100:145E:20A3:399F:231D|2001:1308:265B:3100:145E:20A3:399F:231D]] ([[User talk:2001:1308:265B:3100:145E:20A3:399F:231D|talk]]) 19:39, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
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Someone Is Repeating This Problem Over and over. [[Special:Contributions/2001:1308:265B:3100:145E:20A3:399F:231D|2001:1308:265B:3100:145E:20A3:399F:231D]] ([[User talk:2001:1308:265B:3100:145E:20A3:399F:231D|talk]]) 19:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
== Smallest tarantula? ==


:Please see the gallery now; the point was to contrast the fangs of a non-tarantula (a jumping spider) and a tarantula. [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 18:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
The species mentioned in the cited article "Farewell to the World’s Smallest Tarantula?" is ''[[Microhexura montivaga]]'', which is not a Theraphosid, but rather a different family of mygalomorph. It's incorrect to refer to it as a tarantula. So what is actually the minimum size of tarantulas? According to [https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-smallest-type-of-Tarantula?share=1 Quora it's about 5cm], does anyone have some reliable source to confirm or revise this? <span style="font-family:Courier New">[[Ashorocetus]] ([[User talk:Ashorocetus|talk]]<small>&nbsp;</small>&#124;<small>&nbsp;</small>[[Special:Contributions/Ashorocetus|contribs]])</span> 11:55, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
:As an aside, this is a good example of why it's not, in my view, a good idea to use English names for spider taxa. "Tarantula" is used to mean 'theraphosid' but also something like 'typical mygalomorph'. [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 12:16, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
::Indeed, I agree. It seems this article is about theraphosidae though. <span style="font-family:Courier New">[[Ashorocetus]] ([[User talk:Ashorocetus|talk]]<small>&nbsp;</small>&#124;<small>&nbsp;</small>[[Special:Contributions/Ashorocetus|contribs]])</span> 14:52, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 18:19, 3 December 2024

Former good article nomineeTarantula was a Natural sciences good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Can we get a smaller version of the image to put inline, with a clickable link to larger version below it? The current one is way too big to be inline. --Delirium 21:54 25 Jul 2003 (UTC)

thanks for revising my text

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Thank you two for changing my mistakes and for revising the order to the better. I am dyslectic so I easily make mistakes, but I thought the plural of Tarantula was Tarantulae, not 's. The new order is also better. I added the sub chapter names more as an afterthought, so it need a change of name.

The image was not mine, and I don't have a tarantula of my own, so I can't make a good one and I can't find a good one from the internet that is public domain.

The genus and subfamily list is maybe a bit to long. First I added 25 common genus's, but then I wanted to add the subfamilies and I tried to rearrange the genus's into the families, then I found out that one subfamily (speleo-something) has been removed and the cave-tarantula's had been added to another family. Not sure which Genus's should stay in there. Also the sub-families don't look good in that list, something should be changed about it, but I am nt sure what. User:Magraggae 19:45, 13 Jul 2004 (GMT+1)

Hi, I don't know who changed "tarantulae" to "tarantulas". What you thought is right, so I changed it back.

What is wrong with the image? It is a perfectly normal tarantula, mine in fact.

Ah, I see now. You are looking at Delerium's message, which is about a year old. Don't worry, somebody fixed the image size problem. P0M

One of the people who has done a lot on the Spider article is an authority on scientific nomenclature. He has done a lot to straighten out naming on that page. The problem is that the names get revised from time to time, and if you don't have the latest sources you can easily get an out-dated name. (I started trying to straighten things out before the expert came on the scene, and I can testify that it is a real mess.) Maybe I can get the expert to look at this page. P0M 08:44, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I like the picture, but that text said somethign was wrong with it, so I just replied. Looks good to me. I added the kingdom, phylum stuff. I added the families that I could find out of the most recent information I could find. However I am not an expert, but I think it is pretty recent (this stuff changes so fast because there is soo much we don't know yet). Maybe someone could get some pictures of other more colourfull species as an example how they can also look? lauches hairs into the hair ROFL, thanks for noticing that and fixing it to air :x User:Magraggae 13:25, 14 Jul 2004 (GMT+1)

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Tarantula
Tarantula

[comment by an anonymous user moved from the article page] The picture to the right is not that of a tarantula, but an enlarged picture of a jumping spider. The person that put the picture of the jumping spider up on this site stating that it is a tarantula is mistaken and is now miseducating the interested masses who are coming to this great site to get good, factual information about tarantulae.

He's right, I think. Sure looks like a jumper; I've removed the image and put it here, so as not to orphan it. -- Hadal 06:40, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
You're definitely correct. Probably a Phidippus. The depth of field on the picture is not too good, but it's a good picture because it shows the spider looking around trying to figure out what kind of a critter the photographer is. When I find my big book of Phidippus pix I'll see whether I can pin it down further. I wrote a note on the images page for that photo indicating that it isn't a tarantula. P0M 08:50, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Okay, good to know... The site said to tarantula, so don't hold it against me personally. -- user:zanimum

oh uh, here's an (unverified) anecdote

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From Austin, Texas: http://austin.craigslist.org/rnr/209754888.html

Fossil record

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I find it strange that the infobox says Theraphosidae originated as late as the Neogene, especially without citing a source. Many families of spiders are considerably older. I have in my head that Theraphosidae date back at least to the Carboniferous but know no reliable source. The Fossil record section of the article claims that fossils of mygalomorph spiders date back to the Triassic, with two specimens convincingly assigned to the Theraphosidae, but also cites no source. Shinryuu (talk) 13:25, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Shinryuu: This normally very reliable source says on p. 144 "Cretaceous – Recent", but when you look at the three species, they are all labelled "Ne" for Neogene.
@Shinryuu: Actually, there's an error in the line for Protertheraphosa spinipes in this source. If you look in the References section on p. 324, "Wunderlich, J. 2020b" is a paper with the title "New and already described fossil spiders (Araneae) of 20 families in mid and late Cretaceous Burmese amber with notes on spider phylogeny, evolution and classification". The paper is online here; the species description for Protertheraphosa spinipes starts on p. 44. It's clear that Dunlop et al. should say "K Burmese amber" not "Ne Dominican amber". So we can say that currently the earliest known fossil member of the Theraphosidae is Protertheraphosa spinipes, dated to the Cretaceous. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:11, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've updated the article. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great, that seems to make more sense, thank you very much! Now someone should probably tell Dunlop et al. ;-) Shinryuu (talk) 21:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Shinryuu: I have e-mailed the World Spider Catalog. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:20, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jumping Spider Mistake

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The Jumping Spiders Are Not Tarantulas so remove That Bad Link! 2001:1308:265B:3100:145E:20A3:399F:231D (talk) 19:39, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Someone Is Repeating This Problem Over and over. 2001:1308:265B:3100:145E:20A3:399F:231D (talk) 19:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the gallery now; the point was to contrast the fangs of a non-tarantula (a jumping spider) and a tarantula. Peter coxhead (talk) 18:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]