Talk:France Prešeren

Infobox: influenced

Please, take into consideration this discussion. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 16:46, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Romanic poetic forms?

"In 1830, Prešeren's old high school friend Matija Čop returned to Ljubljana and re-established contacts with Prešeren. Čop soon recognized his friend's poetic talent and persuaded him to adopt Romanic poetic forms."

Was this meant to be Romantic poetic forms? --Eleassar ^{my talk} 07:36, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Article needs reorganization

The article needs reorganization: the lead should be lengthened and the overlap between the 'Biography' and 'Work' sections should be resolved as much as possible. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 10:09, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Prešeren's nationality

Was Prešeren a Slovene or a Carniolan poet? In my opinion, he was of Carniolan nationality. Per WP:OPENPARA, the lead section should primarily specify the nationality. Per [1], the Slovene nationality formed only gradually in the 19th century, particularly since 1848. Prešeren published his poems in Krajnska čbelica and talked about Carniola and Carniolans: "Dežela Kranjska nima lepšga kraja...", "Se Kranjc tam košati..." etc. See also [2] (M. Juvan (2011). Čop in Prešeren ali transfer svetovne književnosti na Kranjsko. Pg. 4): "spričo spodbud Kopitarja, Šafárika, Prešerna in drugih izobraženih Kranjcev" [due to the encouragement by Kopitar, Šafárik, Prešeren and other educated Carniolans]. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 10:06, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

But did he not use "Carniolan" to refer to the same ethnic group as "Slovenian" would later? There seems to be no question in Slovenia whether he was a Slovenian or not, besides yours I haven't found any sources citing him as a Carniolan. He is also refered to as a Slovenian on the Slovenian Wikipedia and is featured in famous Slovenians collage on Slovenes page. 109.182.86.77 (talk) 18:30, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Per WP:OPENPARA, we report the nationality in the lead: "the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident", which was Carniolan. Ethnicity could also be reported, but I don't see a consensus about when the Slovene nation formed (see [3], pg. 154 and particularly pg. 157); although it is stated that he is "generally considered the greatest Slovene poet". For the collage, see Talk:Slovenes - you'll see that the decision was made to include people no matter whether they were Slovenes or Carniolans (e.g. also Valvasor, whom I've later replaced with Vodnik). Otherwise, he wrote "Bog našo nam deželo,: Bog živi ves slovenski svet", first referring to Carniola and then referring to all the crown lands where the Slovenes (or the Slovene-speaking inhabitants) lived.[4][5] Therefore, I think the two terms should not be used interchangeably. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 19:10, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

The debate has continued and has been resolved in Slovene on the Prešeren's Talk page on Slovene Wikipedia. --Hladnikm (talk) 15:34, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Photograph?!

Per [6], it is not a photograph, but a depiction based on photographs of Prešeren's relatives and on testimonies. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 14:33, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

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Date of birth: removal of 2 December

I have removed the following footnote text from the article:

Although his birth date has been mostly presumed to be 3 December, in 2002 a detailed family tree of the poet's family, published by the ''Slovene Genealogical Society'', put the date of his birth on 2 December, which identified 3 December as the date of his [[baptism]].<ref>{{cite news |first=Mirko |last=Kunčič |newspaper=Slovenske novice [Slovene News] |date=30 December 2002 |publisher=Genealogy Society}}</ref>}}

The quoted text cites Slovenske novice, misses a reference title, and I have been unable to find any relevant reliable information online. Even the said Slovenian Genealogical Society provides 3 December as the date of Prešeren's birth at its website.[7] Unless somebody provides a good and complete source for 2 December, in my opinion we should leave it out and stick with the official date, 3 December. --TadejM ^{my talk} 06:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)