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Slavery a Moral Defect

Being aware an act is wrong (according the law) and doing it anyway is widely used definition of moral defect.

If (according past laws of the United States) it was wrong to help a runaway slave, and I yet did I could be held as "morally defective" under the law.

Christianity slavery

Jxjx 138.185.76.149 (talk) 03:00, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Christianity slavery

How was that 138.185.76.149 (talk) 03:01, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Christian views on slavery are varied regionally, historically and spiritually.

Won’t it be more accurate to say that slavery was permitted and accepted by the the church and christianity or at least mainstream christianity until the 18-19th century instead of saying “varied historically” ?

~~And what does “varied spiritually” even mean ? Ikhnatoun (talk) 11:58, 24 December 2022 (UTC)~~ <--- blocked sock of User:Amr.elmowaled[reply]

Why no section on Europe?

Why are there no section on slavery in Europe? I've noticed these wikipedia articles are becoming more and more negative on christianity and european peoples as times goes by. Perhaps because muslims, asians in general and others who hate us are more active on wikipedia.

It is ridiculus to read this article on slavery in islam and then read this one. The islamic one is very positive. Even if the prophet Muhammad himself owned slaves, enslaved people, had sex slaves and did alot of nasty stuff. 88.94.247.152 (talk) 11:52, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

Changing verbatim quotes is vandalism. tgeorgescu (talk) 14:09, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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-I initially didn't understand your edit summary, as it did not point to WP:BIDIRECTIONAL (it just said that it wasn't bidirectional, which did not seem to make sense at first in the context).  While I understand that WP:BIDIRECTIONAL can be a sane reccomendation (that is a guideline, not policy, and it says ''should normally'', not ''must'').  I see no reason why this footer would be controversial despite the lack of a slavery link in the main Christianity footer (this could be more controversial).  But thanks for the explanation.  —[[User:PaleoNeonate|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span>]][[User_talk:PaleoNeonate|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span>]] - 07:43, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
-:Hi, {{u|PaleoNeonate}}. [[WP:NAVBOX]] is clear as to the purpose of navboxes: "[[Wikipedia:Navigation template|Navigation templates]] are a grouping of links used in multiple related articles to facilitate navigation between those articles in Wikipedia." Their purpose is not to provide an article with peripherally relevant links to articles about a much broader subject – that is what we have {{tl|portal}} for. This is why [[WP:BIDIRECTIONAL]] provides that, "Every article that [[WP:TRANS|transcludes]] a given navbox should normally also be included as a link in the navbox so that the navigation is [[wikt:bidirectional#Adjective|bidirectional]]."
-:You are correct that the word "should" is used, but nonetheless, the question we have to ask ourselves is 'what makes this case sufficiently unique that it warrants an exception to the guideline as either (1) such a case was not foreseen by the drafters of the guideline or (2) it is such a ''very'' unique case that noting the exception in the guideline would not be worthwhile?' To ignore that question would be to ignore the [[WP:CONLEVEL]] policy.
-:With respect to {{u|Sondra.kinsey}}'s concern noted in their edit summary that "I read [[WP:BIDIRECTIONAL]] as a policy for navboxes, not for articles", we cannot look at this one article in a vacuum. To bring this article ''and'' this article into compliance with [[WP:BIDIRECTIONAL]], one of the two would have to be changed. Are you suggesting that this article be linked in the navbox? [[Special:Contributions/142.160.131.202|142.160.131.202]] ([[User talk:142.160.131.202|talk]]) 03:55, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
-:I should also note that {{u|Sondra.kinsey}} is currently advocating for an amendment to [[WP:BIDIRECTIONAL]]. It is not appropriate to be attempting to implement your proposal without it first being adopted and it is approaching [[WP:GAME]]. [[Special:Contributions/142.160.131.202|142.160.131.202]] ([[User talk:142.160.131.202|talk]]) 04:10, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
-::{{reply to|142.160.131.202}} I apologize for the confusion that may be added by [[Wikipedia talk:Categories, lists, and navigation templates#Proposed changes to WP:BIDIRECTIONAL|my proposal for changes]] to [[WP:BIDIRECTIONAL]]. My attention was drawn to that guideline by your edits, and I am content to have this discussion on the basis of its current wording.
-::As I read it, the guideline currently allows editors of articles to place or remove the template as they please, and it is up to the editors of navboxes to either follow the guideline or claim warrant for some sort of exception as you describe. I think this conversation belongs in [[Template talk:Christianity footer]]. I don't see a justification in the existing [[WP:BIDIRECTIONAL]] guideline for removing it from this page against the objections of other editors. [[User:Sondra.kinsey|Sondra.kinsey]] ([[User talk:Sondra.kinsey|talk]]) 23:52, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
-== Children could also be sold into debt bondage ==
-Article says "Children could also be sold into debt bondage" and provides a reference to Leviticus 25:44 which is "As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves."
-This verse does not appear to support the claim in the article.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bcostley|Bcostley]] ([[User talk:Bcostley#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bcostley|contribs]]) 05:47, 29 August 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-== Why is Roger Williams not inlcuded? ==
-The Section on America makes it seem like Abolitionism started with the Quakers in 1688 and starts it's Baptist timeline in the 1830s.  Roger Williams opposed Slavery and banned it in Rhode Island from the start.--[[User:JaredMithrandir|JaredMithrandir]] ([[User talk:JaredMithrandir|talk]]) 17:23, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 == Slavery a Moral Defect ==
+Being aware an act is wrong (according the law) and doing it anyway is widely used definition of moral defect.
+If (according past laws of the United States) it was wrong to help a runaway slave, and I yet did I could be held as "morally defective" under the law.
-Society subscribed to the false notion of moral defect as:
-Being aware an act is wrong and doing it anyway.
+== Christianity slavery ==
-Since moral objectivity exists the definition cannot be properly applied.
+Jxjx [[Special:Contributions/138.185.76.149|138.185.76.149]] ([[User talk:138.185.76.149|talk]]) 03:00, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
+== Christianity slavery ==
-Consider:
+How was that [[Special:Contributions/138.185.76.149|138.185.76.149]] ([[User talk:138.185.76.149|talk]]) 03:01, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
-It was wrong (according past laws of the United States) to let a Runaway Slave into my house.
+== Christian views on slavery are varied regionally, historically and spiritually. ==
-If I use the first definition of "moral defect" then I fear doing against a law and being found morally defective.
+<strike>Won’t it be more accurate to say that slavery was permitted and accepted by the the church and christianity or at least mainstream christianity until the 18-19th century instead of saying “varied historically” ?
+And what does “varied spiritually” even mean ? [[User:Ikhnatoun|Ikhnatoun]] ([[User talk:Ikhnatoun|talk]]) 11:58, 24 December 2022 (UTC)</strike> '''<--- [[WP:BLOCK|blocked]] [[WP:SOCK|sock]] of [[User:Amr.elmowaled]]'''
-The proper definition of "moral defect" is:
+== Why no section on Europe? ==
-(1*) "Moral defect" is not knowing what is wrong and doing it. (We suffer for doing wrong even if we do not know it is wrong.)
+Why are there no section on slavery in Europe? I've noticed these wikipedia articles are becoming more and more negative on christianity and european peoples as times goes by. Perhaps because muslims, asians in general and others who hate us are more active on wikipedia.
-*We must insist on this definition as superior. Too often we say we did not know any better. Because of this we do not suffer our moral shortcomings and seek them out.
+It is ridiculus to read this article on slavery in islam and then read this one. The islamic one is very positive. Even if the prophet Muhammad himself owned slaves, enslaved people, had sex slaves and did alot of nasty stuff. [[Special:Contributions/88.94.247.152|88.94.247.152]] ([[User talk:88.94.247.152|talk]]) 11:52, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
-(2) "Moral defect" is also knowing what is right and not doing it. (We suffer for our inaction in the face of better conscience.)
+== Vandalism ==
-Who understands these concepts but does not subscribe to them to prevent suffering is by definition "morally depraved".
+Changing verbatim quotes is vandalism. [[User:tgeorgescu|tgeorgescu]] ([[User talk:tgeorgescu|talk]])  14:09, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
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